New player suscribed to ESO+ but starting to regret it.

Fhaerron · May 2015

TheGOHgamer wrote: »

Oh, and don't buy costumes from the crown store. They don't work. They will simply disappear and de-equip from your character whenever you go through a door, dungeon or get into a fight.

I have costumes, I have been in combat many times, I died, I went to public dungeons, I've been in private dungeons, I teleported, I swam, I transformed into a werewolf, I've been trough many doors ... my costum has never disappeared.

maryriv · May 2015

You can level to v14 in less than a week. Leveling is way to fast.

Elsonso · May 2015

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

4) As stated before PC Group Finder is broken atm.

The console beta yielded an interesting comment about LFG and how much better it was during the console beta. Deltia was pretty excited about the LFG user interface, but I honestly think that the underlying LFG search tool is probably the same between console and PC. The ease at which console beta people found groups might be due to two factors, first that everyone is about the same level; second that there is no alternative to LFG on console during beta. A bunch of people at the same level coupled with being forced to use the tool is a big advantage. There is a chance that there are some improvements in search and marshaling functionality, not just information presentation (UI), on the console, and if that is true hopefully they will be in the next Update for the PC/Mac.

TheGOHgamer wrote: »

I enjoy the game but I would not recommend the subscription and the benefits aren't worth the money. 10% bonus to XP and gold etc don't really do anything. You will still be at the same level as someone who is not a member. You will be level 24 as a subscriber and a free player will still be level 24 but only slightly lower on the XP bar. You have 110 XP while he has 100 XP. 10%, haha pointless lol. LEVELING WILL TAKE FOREVER whether you subscribe or not.

I am not sure if you are just trolling or if you really don't get how +10% works. By the time you get to Level 50, you have earned 2,296,964 XP (uesp.net). If you were an ESO Plus member that entire time, you earned 208,814 bonus XP. That means you are about a level and a half ahead of the person who does not have ESO Plus. In other words, all other things being equal, when you hit level 50, they are still in the middle of level 48. I don't think that is pointless.

A lot of people complain about Veteran Ranks. Until they get rid of them, the ESO Plus member has to earn almost 100,000 XP less than the non-member to earn a Rank. For those people complaining about Veteran Rank grind, that helps. To a person doing 100,000 XP/hr, that is an hour. To a person doing 100,000XP/day, that is a whole day. If you are like me and you earn 100,000XP/week, well, I think you get the point.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

I have played mmo's since the 90's and I was tired of the cookie cutter mmo's post wow, and was glad to see something different, that being said, I have to follow the words of Master Yoda "You must first unlearn that you have learned" I had to I had fallen into the trap of easy play mmo's, quick leveling mmo's, and there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you like, I was missing a bit of the challenge older mmo's use to have, there is a few mechanics I don't miss.

ESO has tried to attract their single player fan base as well as the mmo fan base, so this will not be and I suspect it will never be a traditional mmo with a lot of the features we have used over the years, and I am ok with that.

As other have pointed out, in ESO you explore to find things no traditional quest hubs, but the main story line does lead you to the next area, and if you do not explore and do some of the side quests you will start to find yourself under level for some areas, this game has a few throw back elements of the older mmo's where the journey was as important as end game, in the end it all depends on what you like, you do not have to sub to play and hopefully you will enjoy your time here but if not play what you like and have the most fun, ESO is still a new game and will be growing after again after console release.

Fhaerron · May 2015

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I have played mmo's since the 90's and I was tired of the cookie cutter mmo's post wow, and was glad to see something different, that being said, I have to follow the words of Master Yoda "You must first unlearn that you have learned" I had to I had fallen into the trap of easy play mmo's, quick leveling mmo's, and there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you like, I was missing a bit of the challenge older mmo's use to have, there is a few mechanics I don't miss.

ESO has tried to attract their single player fan base as well as the mmo fan base, so this will not be and I suspect it will never be a traditional mmo with a lot of the features we have used over the years, and I am ok with that.

As other have pointed out, in ESO you explore to find things no traditional quest hubs, but the main story line does lead you to the next area, and if you do not explore and do some of the side quests you will start to find yourself under level for some areas, this game has a few throw back elements of the older mmo's where the journey was as important as end game, in the end it all depends on what you like, you do not have to sub to play and hopefully you will enjoy your time here but if not play what you like and have the most fun, ESO is still a new game and will be growing after again after console release.

I agree with most you have said expect that ESO is not a new game, it's +1 year already.

Gidorick · May 2015

maryriv wrote: »

You can level to v14 in less than a week. Leveling is way to fast.

Sure... if you play like 16 hours every day.

Talrenos · May 2015

Delsai wrote: »

Hiya, before I begin please understand I am not gonna knock on the game but I am as of right now regret subscribing and feeling a bit frustrated.That's all I have right now. As a new player I will be honest and straight to the point. Catch up with the rest of the MMO market because what I see here is way behind in a market flooded with top notch MMO's. Show me as a new consumer that you are willing to stand out and improve on this product.

That's all you have? trust me, theres more, a lot more. Once you realize this, you will be really sorry you spent money to buy the game and feel really stupid you actually paid for a subscription.

jimmulvaney · May 2015

As soon as I read that you are playing this as your first elder scrolls game, then I knew you were not going to like it. ESO is a horrible choice for your first TES series. You should at least start with the Oblivion. Personally I prefer Morowind, but I have found if you did not enjoy it when it first came out, then it may be too outdated to start with now. After that, you will see the appeal of a TES game. Then from Oblivion, move onto Skyrim. Now you will experience the console friendly changes they made to both the game and gameplay THEN you can try out ESO. Even then you have to bare in mind that it is not an Elder Scrolls sequel nor is it a Skyr m multiplayer. It is simply a mmorpg set I n the Elder scrolls lore.

newtinmpls · May 2015

Delsai wrote: »

5 days in and I have only reached level 14

I've come back to this comment many times without commenting on it. I have at least one character that I've been playing intermittently for months, and he's just barely at the top of 5th (and he was 4th just out of Cold Harbor).

So "only 14?"

Slow down and enjoy the game. It's not a race.

Well ... it's not a race for me. And I seem to be having a lot more fun than the posters who are so fixated on where they are "not" as of yet.

mitchav66 · May 2015

Elloa wrote: »

Read the books you find.

Lol I don't know why, but I can never read any books when I'm playing a game. I like reading, but I just can't read these damn lorebooks to save my life.

PKMN12 · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Delsai wrote: »

5 days in and I have only reached level 14

I've come back to this comment many times without commenting on it. I have at least one character that I've been playing intermittently for months, and he's just barely at the top of 5th (and he was 4th just out of Cold Harbor).

So "only 14?"

Slow down and enjoy the game. It's not a race.

Well ... it's not a race for me. And I seem to be having a lot more fun than the posters who are so fixated on where they are "not" as of yet.

different type of player. most players in an MMO, or even RPGs in general, do nto like taking forever to do things, they actually want to get thigns done.

Fhaerron · May 2015

mitchav66 wrote: »

Elloa wrote: »

Read the books you find.

Lol I don't know why, but I can never read any books when I'm playing a game. I like reading, but I just can't read these damn lorebooks to save my life.

Just press right mouse button if book has more pages and then just exit it. No need to "read", just open it and exit directly. That's how I do it.

newtinmpls · May 2015

I'd said that character progression (for me) was more fun when I'm aware that it's "not a race".

PKMN12 wrote: »

different type of player. most players in an MMO, or even RPGs in general, do nto like taking forever to do things, they actually want to get thigns done.

What things? I mean this as a serious question - it's the process of playing and exploring and understanding that's fun for me. What is it that is fun for you?

newtinmpls · May 2015

mitchav66 wrote: »

Lol I don't know why, but I can never read any books when I'm playing a game. I like reading, but I just can't read these damn lorebooks to save my life.

I would pay crowns to get a "special key" so I could go into the Mages guild library and peruse the various tomes I allegedly brought them.

UrQuan · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

mitchav66 wrote: »

Lol I don't know why, but I can never read any books when I'm playing a game. I like reading, but I just can't read these damn lorebooks to save my life.

I would pay crowns to get a "special key" so I could go into the Mages guild library and peruse the various tomes I allegedly brought them.

Why not just complete the Mages' Guild questline and get the ability to go back and read every book you ever picked up in the game, without having to pay anything for the ability?

UrQuan · May 2015

Delsai wrote: »

1.) I don't get the questing in this game. No idea where to start when I logged in and had to find add-ons to help what the game should of done by leading me to the next quest hub or even where to begin. Very intimidating and hugely disappointing when I am trying to try a elder scroll genre for the first time. 5 days in and I have only reached level 14 and confused to hell where to go. The add-ons where not accurate and when I found a suspected quest hub the data was off. I have never played a MMO that has such a basic function such as this be in such a mess.

I flat-out don't understand people who say things like this.

Are gamers these days really so used to being led around by the nose, and having every little piece of content shoved in their faces? Have they never played any games that weren't 100% linear?

If you find it hard to figure out how to do questing in ESO, I can only imagine how utterly baffled you'd be trying to play games like Star Control 2, the Baldur's Gate series, Privateer, anything by Sid Meier... Heck, you never would have been able to figure out Legend of Zelda.

Literally all you have to do is look at your map, and go places you haven't already explored. Walk for 30 seconds or so in a direction you haven't been, and you'll come across something of interest. It might be a random encounter, it might be a delve, it might be a dolmen, it might be a quest giver, it might be a world boss. If whatever you come across is too high level for you, go someplace else and come back later when you've leveled a bit.

The main faction questlines already lead you completely by the nose to all of the quests that you need to do in order to progress through the game. Unless you literally bug out on one of those quests (or abandon one), it's impossible to lose track of where you're supposed to go to continue the main alliance storyline.

The only quests you can possibly miss are all of the completely optional ones, and even then you'll naturally come across a whole bunch of them just along the way as you go where the main alliance storyline tells you to go. You definitely won't get all of them if you just go directly from point A to point B, but that's why you explore.

There is absolutely no reason to use any add-ons to figure out what you should go and do. Just explore a bit, and you'll find plenty of things to do. The only real use for add-ons like Destinations and Undiscovered is for completionists who want to make sure that they didn't miss anything. And yes, I use one of those add-ons, but it's only because I've already fully explored every zone (except Craglorn and Cyrodiil) with one character or another, so I use it as a handy way to make sure I don't forget to do things with my other characters as they hit those zones (it can be really hard to remember exactly which quests each individual character has done when you've been through a zone with 6 different characters).

Flynch · May 2015

Open your map - if it has a black icon, then there is something of interest to be completed, be it a boss, a quest or a delve etc

If you open your map and you see an area that appears desolate or uninteresting, walk there and i'm quite confident the compass will light up and you'll find something to do.

Fhaerron · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Delsai wrote: »

1.) I don't get the questing in this game. No idea where to start when I logged in and had to find add-ons to help what the game should of done by leading me to the next quest hub or even where to begin. Very intimidating and hugely disappointing when I am trying to try a elder scroll genre for the first time. 5 days in and I have only reached level 14 and confused to hell where to go. The add-ons where not accurate and when I found a suspected quest hub the data was off. I have never played a MMO that has such a basic function such as this be in such a mess.

I flat-out don't understand people who say things like this.

Are gamers these days really so used to being led around by the nose, and having every little piece of content shoved in their faces? Have they never played any games that weren't 100% linear?

If you find it hard to figure out how to do questing in ESO, I can only imagine how utterly baffled you'd be trying to play games like Star Control 2, the Baldur's Gate series, Privateer, anything by Sid Meier... Heck, you never would have been able to figure out Legend of Zelda.

Literally all you have to do is look at your map, and go places you haven't already explored. Walk for 30 seconds or so in a direction you haven't been, and you'll come across something of interest. It might be a random encounter, it might be a delve, it might be a dolmen, it might be a quest giver, it might be a world boss. If whatever you come across is too high level for you, go someplace else and come back later when you've leveled a bit.

The main faction questlines already lead you completely by the nose to all of the quests that you need to do in order to progress through the game. Unless you literally bug out on one of those quests (or abandon one), it's impossible to lose track of where you're supposed to go to continue the main alliance storyline.

The only quests you can possibly miss are all of the completely optional ones, and even then you'll naturally come across a whole bunch of them just along the way as you go where the main alliance storyline tells you to go. You definitely won't get all of them if you just go directly from point A to point B, but that's why you explore.

There is absolutely no reason to use any add-ons to figure out what you should go and do. Just explore a bit, and you'll find plenty of things to do. The only real use for add-ons like Destinations and Undiscovered is for completionists who want to make sure that they didn't miss anything. And yes, I use one of those add-ons, but it's only because I've already fully explored every zone (except Craglorn and Cyrodiil) with one character or another, so I use it as a handy way to make sure I don't forget to do things with my other characters as they hit those zones (it can be really hard to remember exactly which quests each individual character has done when you've been through a zone with 6 different characters).

Some people just don't like exploring or 'searching' for stuff. I do some exploring and 'imersing' in this game but not that much, I rather play single player RPG for such things. I prefer to speed things up in an mmo.

I'm using a whole list of addons myself to help me in game. I never had trouble playing Zelda & Baldur's gate games btw, don't know for the other you named as I never played those.

Rosveen · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Are gamers these days really so used to being led around by the nose, and having every little piece of content shoved in their faces? Have they never played any games that weren't 100% linear?

It isn't even their fault. 90% of modern RPGs have quest markers and are often designed in such a way that playing without them is impossible, this is what the new generation of gamers is growing up on.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2015

BigM wrote: »

It is like when they were making the game they said lets make it different and throw away this or that on how other games do it. Which is why the game is so much fun, it isn't your typical MMORPG!

That's all very well, as long as you don't throw away too much of what is considered the "bare minimum" expected in a modern, (allegedly) AAA, MMO title.

IMO they have gone slightly beyond that.

Being different is OK if being different is fun.

Being different is not OK if it means stripping away basic functionality to such a point that even basic questing and crafting feel like an interminable grind - and at times they do feel that way.

All The Best

AvalonSkye · May 2015

Regarding quests: If you wander into some areas, NPC's will seek you out. They will run right up to you and say
"Hey, you there, can you help me?"

Very neat, I love that ; )

Sharkano · May 2015

You can get from level 1-50 in a long weekend, and 1 to VR14 in two weeks. However, you just need to know where to grind. Google it. Good luck.

wrlifeboil · May 2015

OP, the edge for ESO is the Elder Scrolls tie-in. If you don't like the Elder Scrolls series or the DAoC style pvp, chances are high that ESO won't hold your interest for very long.

newtinmpls · May 2015

wrlifeboil wrote: »

OP, the edge for ESO is the Elder Scrolls tie-in. If you don't like the Elder Scrolls series or the DAoC style pvp, chances are high that ESO won't hold your interest for very long.

And if you do ... well some of us will put up with a LOT for this beloved universe.

Mumnoch · May 2015

Delsai wrote: »

Hiya, before I begin please understand I am not gonna knock on the game but I am as of right now regret subscribing and feeling a bit frustrated.

1.) I don't get the questing in this game. No idea where to start when I logged in and had to find add-ons to help what the game should of done by leading me to the next quest hub or even where to begin. Very intimidating and hugely disappointing when I am trying to try a elder scroll genre for the first time. 5 days in and I have only reached level 14 and confused to hell where to go. The add-ons where not accurate and when I found a suspected quest hub the data was off. I have never played a MMO that has such a basic function such as this be in such a mess.

2.) Holy crap does it seem to take a while to level. I understand that there is no need to rush but the quest and dungeons I have found have such small rewards for time spent. Time sink and absolutely nothing to show for it. The bosses I found where enjoyable though.

3.) Chat channels, add-on fixed this but chat channels where something I had to get use too. Guess I'm spoiled on color coded and the basic [General/Trade/Guild/Party/Whispers]. Just a personal preference but I didn't know where to ask for advice. I found [Zone] was the best to use.

4.) Party system. I heard there will be a group function on console why not PC? I have not seen a single LFG in my level range. I went to a dungeon entrance and it was empty. I have played MMO's since FFXI back when it first released. I was glad group finder has been added in almost all the games I played. Knock it if you wish but it works.

4.) PATRON REWARDS! That 10% bonus and that handful of crowns I got did no justice in my decision to continue my subscription. Trion has you beat on all aspects of this bonus. It's not a charity it's a service I am paying for. It's a option that has absolutely not appeal for me to continue when I will buy the packs with crowns if I deem it worth my money for future content releases.

That's all I have right now. As a new player I will be honest and straight to the point. Catch up with the rest of the MMO market because what I see here is way behind in a market flooded with top notch MMO's. Show me as a new consumer that you are willing to stand out and improve on this product.

Most of us do not support the direction this game is progressing in and have since stopped our subs. There's plenty of stuff that could happen but don't hold your breath for it.

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO · May 2015

Awwww op you sound a little lost.

- You don't have to subscribe if you don't want to. If you feel the urge to support the dev's, what you do is when in the game, open up the crown store (comma key) and see if anything catches your eye. If you think something will make your game more fun, that's the way to give the dev's some extra money if you're super hooked (it happens).

- Questing in mmo's takes a million times longer and feels more grindy than in any other genre. Somehow people still like this. It all started when developers came up with the idea to charge for time (with subscriptions), so their bosses of course were telling them to make everything take as long as possible. Sadly mmo gameplay hasn't escaped this even if they are more b2p/f2p these days.

- Yeah some addons are very necessary for eso. Get one that puts markers on your map.. so you can at least know what direction quests are in, and just go for a wonder in that direction, as someone else once you get close they jump out at you. Also get something to help with the inventory.. its insane. You need to be qualified/trained to use it given all the rightclicking..

Good luck.. there are other things that mmo's do well.. hope you have a good time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2015

As many have said, if questing and exploring aren't your thing, you might want to look else well. Since that is the best part of the game. And really the only thing the game does better then other mmo's.

Delsai · May 2015

Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion. I started to figure out the basics (kinda) and have almost completed the zone that my imperial Templar started in. There is a boat that has a level 4 quest. Should I take this or where is the next zone for 15+ characters? Thanks

Rosveen · May 2015

You will be overleveled for the island, so you won't gain much XP, but it's still worth going back for 3 skyshards. The 15+ zone is Deshaan, Grahtwood or Stormhaven, depending on your alliance. You might already have a quest leading you there, they are typically a follow-up to each zone's main storyline (the zone storyline is the one with quests giving achievements for completion and skill points sometimes).

Delsai · May 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

You will be overleveled for the island, so you won't gain much XP, but it's still worth going back for 3 skyshards. The 15+ zone is Deshaan, Grahtwood or Stormhaven, depending on your alliance. You might already have a quest leading you there, they are typically a follow-up to each zone's main storyline (the zone storyline is the one with quests giving achievements for completion and skill points sometimes).

Thanks! I'll take a look in a few minutes.