@ZOS EP POP OVERFLOW

kaithuzar · May 2015

@ZOS, I'm not sure what you guys plan to do but something definitely needs to be done. In the beginning of launch EVERYONE rolled AD, now EVERYONE is rolling EP. EP has enough players at this time to have 4 campaigns with 3 bars! AD & DC have maybe 1 or 2 campaigns with 3 bars.
This isn't just during prime time, this is almost a 24/7 thing.

What I personally am proposing, which may not work, is to keep limits such as "if 10 AD join a campaign, no more AD can join until 10 EP & 10 DC are both on, & do this in increments of 10 to keep the numbers even on all sides". Of course you could throw in a little spacer such as keeping the numbers within 2-5 people distance.

As it stands right now many players just aren't having fun in PVP knowing that it's not going to be a fair fight, especially when players from other campaigns can guest over or travel to player.

If my guild chooses to not want to fight a guild of an opposing faction, due to your "free reign of travel" there is nothing we can do as it is impossible to avoid the fight. No matter what server we play on they will inevitably at some point meet us there which primarily draws a bitter taste in my mouth & many others, almost ensuring that we log off. It very well may be a determining factor in whether we continue to play this game.

I'm still a paying customer at this point, many others I know still are as well, please show us our money is being put to use on the concerns we have.

Zhoyzu · May 2015

if you wanna sit through a 2 hour queue waiting for a faction that wont show up feel free. i Dont plan on that myself.

kaithuzar · May 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

if you wanna sit through a 2 hour queue waiting for a faction that wont show up feel free. i Dont plan on that myself.

I wasn't meaning it as an "end all be all", I was just meaning that people need to start thinking of creative ways to solve the problem. It typically takes a few zergs of people IRL just for zos to notice there is a problem so I just wanted to get the ball rolling.

Lord_Draevan · May 2015

I wonder why everyone came over to EP. Back at launch we were hugely outnumbered by AD, then seemingly overnight we were the ones with the most pop. *** happened?

kaithuzar · May 2015

My honest opinion is that it's because of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qikm4--ta5Y

Was the best in his eso series.

Zhoyzu · May 2015

kaithuzar wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

if you wanna sit through a 2 hour queue waiting for a faction that wont show up feel free. i Dont plan on that myself.

I wasn't meaning it as an "end all be all", I was just meaning that people need to start thinking of creative ways to solve the problem. It typically takes a few zergs of people IRL just for zos to notice there is a problem so I just wanted to get the ball rolling.

Fair enough but your current suggestion just wouldnt work. Not before they remove buffs

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

So, wait, is the OP complaining about population imbalance?

Or being unable to hide from a particular guild? (which is just sad)

kaithuzar · May 2015

Population imbalance. However, I would personally like the ability to refrain from engaging with another particular guild because I'm honestly tired of it & it is no longer fun for me to play against them. I wouldn't call it hiding as much as restricting this "free reign of movement" amongst EVERY campaign.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

kaithuzar wrote: »

Population imbalance. However, I would personally like the ability to refrain from engaging with another particular guild because I'm honestly tired of it & it is no longer fun for me to play against them. I wouldn't call it hiding as much as restricting this "free reign of movement" amongst EVERY campaign.

You do realize, at worst, they only have to wait 36 hours to change their guest campaign. Then there they are again.

Assuming, expecting, or even asking for the devs to enable a way for them to sit in a campaign and leave you alone is the worst level of wishful thinking. There are no guilds left in Thornblade most days, just a giant zergball of PvE players. Even TKO has started checking out other places to play (and good on them for giving Azura's a try -- AD needs their presence there).

They paid for this game, they get to play it, and they get to play it against other players. Thinking that they don't or won't is on the level of 'If Bobby shows up, we take our ball and go home.'

PainfulFAFA · May 2015

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I wonder why everyone came over to EP. Back at launch we were hugely outnumbered by AD, then seemingly overnight we were the ones with the most pop. *** happened?

Agreed, AD was op but i believe the factions changes started occuring somewhere between November and December because by that time, EP had won like thrice in a row. If you can't beat them, join them right? I believe that was the mentality of many players after losing many times. The only ones left on AD were the top guilds who refused to think this way.
I can imagine that the new players all rolled EP since that's the winning alliance that everyone talks about in forums and everywhere else.

I switched alliances right after the new year started because i was bored in Thorn as a red and i wanted something new. There wasn't much of a challenge in Thorn so i made a new toon on a new alliance and have stayed there ever since.Its fun. Having a zerg coming at you and being able to wipe them with a well coordinated team. Its not fun being a giant ball of 60 zerging outnumbered alliances. At first i remember being excited waking up to a Red map, until i realized how boring it was to sit in a keep and wait for the enemy to come at you one by one and EP with 40 balled up inside a keep. EP on Thorn had at least 2 guilds more than the other alliances and that makes a big difference. EP was so op (over populated :P) it took two alliances to push them back (green alliance). EP could even afford to have a scout(s) on each keep to call it out in zone and a zerg would show up. AD needed every able-bodied elf and khajiit in every battle against Red. Not complaining, just tryna make you guys understand what I noticed since changing alliances.

But as an AD i must say, zone chat was very poisonous a few months back. There were players intentionally screwing up AD's zone chat. Obvious "spies" just out to troll AD on thorn. Alot of players kept talking smack about AD and little by little people starting packing up and leaving. Then there was the Thorn lagspoitation episode once 1.6 released. And here we are.

Soulac · May 2015

TB EU:
AD queue: 1
EP queue: 196

Ep is locked before AD or DC got medium pop..

Ace_SiN · May 2015

I don't see what anyone can do about pop imbalance.. This is exactly why I hate RvRvR or any other faction based PvP. There is no solution to this that won't end up backfiring on ZOS. If PvP was focused on guilds owning territory then non of this would be an issue, but that's never going to happen.

We'll have to deal with this until EP players get tired of the long queue times and roll another faction.

Cody · May 2015

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I wonder why everyone came over to EP. Back at launch we were hugely outnumbered by AD, then seemingly overnight we were the ones with the most pop. *** happened?

some of the AD guilds migrated to EP

one of them split, resulting in HAVOC being formed I believe

The_Death_Princess · May 2015

The problem is two fold. EP population is up, due to any number of reasons, and is likely to stay up because the internet shows the dominance and new players will join the faction with the best chance to win.

The second part is EP appears to be the winning side due to the abundance of the populace there that chooses to exploit/hack. I report 5 times more red names easily over blue (I report yellow too, but thats real rare). ZOS If you finally address the cheaters like you did the gold farmers, you might see some shift in populace. But then again it may be too late.

BossTuggles · May 2015

I really do not mind being outnumbered. What I hate (and think is kinda pathetic) is how MULTIPLE LARGE GUILDS jump around server to server with one another to zerg everything down. I do not mind guesting but lets be serious do the 2-3 red pvp guilds ALWAYS have to campaign jump with eachother. Anytime Havoc shows up in AS is fine hell its fun. But then all of a sudden it seems like EVERY ep is all of a sudden in AS. Im hoping Havoc isn't asking for this help? Because they can handle themselves. Why does the rest of your faction follow on your coat tails I wonder?

Agrippa: High Lord Fengrush will accept your formal surrender in his command tent.

Bahalul · May 2015

Taken 5 minutes ago (9:20PM EST)

AD has 4/5 locked pop and 1 bar on AS
EP has 3/5 and 2 bars on AS, 1 bar on Haderus
DC has no locks, but spread around except on TB.

ZOS needs to do that population graph again, the previous one is out-dated.

The_Death_Princess · May 2015

Bahalul wrote: »

Taken 5 minutes ago (9:20PM EST)

AD has 4/5 locked pop and 1 bar on AS
EP has 3/5 and 2 bars on AS, 1 bar on Haderus
DC has no locks, but spread around except on TB.

ZOS needs to do that population graph again, the previous one is out-dated.

Not a valid argument. If you look at the queues there any of the yellows are short or you go in anyways with the lock. The reds always say they have hundreds plus queues (which I believe cuz I saw that in the yellow heyday) Blues everyone knows has always been lower. Point being that none of that shows true pop over time, and the one they shared six months ago before the 1.6 swing showed red dominance even then

I am surprised to see Haderus only one bar red though.

Bahalul · May 2015

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Bahalul wrote: »

Taken 5 minutes ago (9:20PM EST)

AD has 4/5 locked pop and 1 bar on AS
EP has 3/5 and 2 bars on AS, 1 bar on Haderus
DC has no locks, but spread around except on TB.

ZOS needs to do that population graph again, the previous one is out-dated.

Not a valid argument. If you look at the queues there any of the yellows are short or you go in anyways with the lock. The reds always say they have hundreds plus queues (which I believe cuz I saw that in the yellow heyday) Blues everyone knows has always been lower. Point being that none of that shows true pop over time, and the one they shared six months ago before the 1.6 swing showed red dominance even then

I am surprised to see Haderus only one bar red though.

Following pics taken around 9:45PM EST

(Taken on an EP alt guested on TB)

So EP pop on AS eased to 3 bars, and the queue for TB for EP is nowhere near the hundreds "some reds always say".

(Taken on my main homed on Chillrend)

EP is 3 bars here, too.

sirston · May 2015

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

The problem is two fold. EP population is up, due to any number of reasons, and is likely to stay up because the internet shows the dominance and new players will join the faction with the best chance to win.

The second part is EP appears to be the winning side due to the abundance of the populace there that chooses to exploit/hack. I report 5 times more red names easily over blue (I report yellow too, but thats real rare). ZOS If you finally address the cheaters like you did the gold farmers, you might see some shift in populace. But then again it may be too late.

your joking right? the only exploiters are the pugs running up the dolmens shouting potato! potato! potato! and spawning in a potato god to help them PVE.