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It's been a year since launch, ZOS. Where is the enforcer system?
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭http://gamingbolt.com/elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited-interview-return-to-glory
"Rashid K. Sayed: Are there any planned updates for the game that will be altering gameplay in any meaningful way in the wake of the upcoming changes?
Matt Firor: No, the only changes we have planned are things we’ve already talked about publicly: Imperial City, future DLC, removing veteran ranks (basing end-game advancement solely on Champion Points), and of course we’ll always fix bugs and continue to respond to feedback."
So... no enforcer system? This is the defining feature for myself and my friends, and any whisper of when we could expect to see it would be incredibly helpful.
If it's not coming, it would be great if you could tell us so we can stop playing the waiting game.
I have been patiently waiting for thieves guild armor...Pact Bloodwraith0 -
Aureli✭✭✭Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.
For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.
One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.
Problem is, the Outlaw refuge was implemented so that players with a bounty can have a safe place in each city in which to do business, unload their spoils, pay off their bounty, ect.
As soon as the Justice system was implemented, you'd have 5-6 enforcers just camping the entrances all day. And since you can't active doors in combat for system reasons, the players with bounties would lose access to essential parts of being a criminal in the game.
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Delith✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.
For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.
One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.
When the enforcer system arrive, all of you must be prepared.....
The dark forces at the service of the Night Mother arise and every enforcer go to disappear in the shadows of doom.....
Light your torchs, close the gates and pray, nothing can stop the hand of the death.....
I hate you, but I also love you and truly hope we get to do battle.
Please, ZOS. Let this happen.
If people don't want to participate, they can... Not be criminals???
And miss out on all that the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood will offer in due course, just because PvPers want their activities extended into PvE areas? Why should PvE players be denied access to PvE content?
By all means have the Justice System fully implemented including Enforcers in Cyrodil, but don't attach PvP penalties to PvE crimes in PvE areas, it will deter a lot of people from playing as well as creating performance issues in those areas.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.1 -
Delith✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.
Not responding at all is the only answer that will make me quit, because it's incredibly disrespectful to say something is coming, then say it may not, and give no indication to your player base of your future intentions.
An answer one way or another is the only correct solution. It's their game; I will respect their decision.
What I don't respect is being ignored after being advertised to. It's very, very frustrating.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm quite sure they've already "talked publicly about" the enforcer system.
They did and have talked publicly about this including during the last couple months. No date was set but it's rather obvious they want to see how the theive system and overall game changes effect things before adding enforcer. I cannot agree more.2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.
Not responding at all is the only answer that will make me quit, because it's incredibly disrespectful to say something is coming, then say it may not, and give no indication to your player base of your future intentions.
An answer one way or another is the only correct solution. It's their game; I will respect their decision.
What I don't respect is being ignored after being advertised to. It's very, very frustrating.
They didn't "advertise" anything to you. They said it was something they were considering. If we haven't heard more by now, guess what that means? They're probably still considering it. This is the most "instant-gratification", entitled thread I have ever seen on these forums.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 28, 2015 3:53PM2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.
Not responding at all is the only answer that will make me quit, because it's incredibly disrespectful to say something is coming, then say it may not, and give no indication to your player base of your future intentions.
An answer one way or another is the only correct solution. It's their game; I will respect their decision.
What I don't respect is being ignored after being advertised to. It's very, very frustrating.
They already have answered, by telling us that they're waiting to see how the first phase pans out. If they haven't yet concluded that exercise then there's nothing more to tell you. Once they make a firm decision and, if appropriate, timeline they'll doubtless let us know. They aren't required to give an answer every time someone asks a question they've already answered.1 -
Delith✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.
Not responding at all is the only answer that will make me quit, because it's incredibly disrespectful to say something is coming, then say it may not, and give no indication to your player base of your future intentions.
An answer one way or another is the only correct solution. It's their game; I will respect their decision.
What I don't respect is being ignored after being advertised to. It's very, very frustrating.
Then leave. Your pathetic little "ultimatum" party is just annoying. They didn't "advertise" anything to you. They said it was something they were considering. If we haven't heard more by now, guess what that means? They're probably still considering it. This is the most "instant-gratification", entitled thread I have ever seen on these forums.
How useful.
It's entitlement to expect someone to not lie to their customers now. Rofl.4 -
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✭I can tell you right now, pretty conclusively, when we can expect to see the implementation of the PvP enforcer system. It will be around the same time they remove vet ranks and add player housing...
Never.0 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭You guys can debate all you want; the purpose of the thread is to have ZOS answer definitively whether the system we were advertised will be added or not.
It's a simple request.
They probably don't yet know. If they were holding fire on it to see how the first phase of the Justice System settled down they are probably going to want to do the same assessment in relation to the console crowd before they commit one way or the other.
Plus, they probably realise by now that they're between a rock and a hard place on this. If they don't implement Enforcers they'll upset a lot of the PvPers, while if they do implement it they'll upset a lot of the PvEers. They'll also know that it poses significant performance issues and they won't want any more of those.
Not responding at all is the only answer that will make me quit, because it's incredibly disrespectful to say something is coming, then say it may not, and give no indication to your player base of your future intentions.
An answer one way or another is the only correct solution. It's their game; I will respect their decision.
What I don't respect is being ignored after being advertised to. It's very, very frustrating.
Then leave. Your pathetic little "ultimatum" party is just annoying. They didn't "advertise" anything to you. They said it was something they were considering. If we haven't heard more by now, guess what that means? They're probably still considering it. This is the most "instant-gratification", entitled thread I have ever seen on these forums.
How useful.
It's entitlement to expect someone to not lie to their customers now. Rofl.
How did they lie to you? Not once have they given any sort of definitive "Yes, we are going to add it" or "No, we are not going to add it". You even said that was the whole point of this thread! They never said they were going to add it and now you're pissed because you haven't heard more.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 28, 2015 3:40PM2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭You'll edit my post but won't close the thread? Classy.Edited by MCMancub on April 28, 2015 3:44PM1
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✭✭An obvious hurdle they need to cross for this to be remotely possible is that players in stealth will now have to be invisible to their own alliance in PvE zones.
Stealth & other forms of invisibilty will need to be optimised and the possibility of guards simply drinking detect potions and camping in rich lootsble locations would need to be addressed.
I suspect the reason for delay is all about making it fun for all rather than simply feeding the griefers.2 -
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✭This statement could be used for a lot more than the enforcer system.
It's been a year since launch, ZOS. Where is ____________?
..Imperial City?
..the 4-6 week content updates?
..the spellcrafting system?
..The Thieves Guild?
..The Dark Brotherhood?
..the fixes for Cyrodiil?
..the guild bank fixes?
etc..
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Delith✭✭✭✭
Sure, definitely! I just picked the one I felt was most important for me and my friends.This statement could be used for a lot more than the enforcer system.
It's been a year since launch, ZOS. Where is ____________?
..Imperial City?
..the 4-6 week content updates?
..the spellcrafting system?
..The Thieves Guild?
..The Dark Brotherhood?
..the fixes for Cyrodiil?
..the guild bank fixes?
etc..
You aren't wrong!
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RazzPitazz✭✭✭✭On ESO live (about two weeks ago now) they mentioned the enforcer system. All they said was it is still being worked on. The best we can take from that is that it had not been scrapped, but doesn't mean it won't be.
As to the camping of entrances to the underground, a safe zone would most likely be implemented where player enforcers cannot actively fight another player upon approach.PC NA
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Delith✭✭✭✭Do you have a source on that? I would really really like to see it. Sounds encouraging.0
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✭✭✭✭✭I hope it never comes, at least not as part of the open world Justice System. Keep PvP in Cyrodil, and keep PvE penalties for PvE crimes in PvE areas.
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I cant wait for this portion of the justice system to launch, i have been looking forward to this ever since i was sitting in that room at teh guild summit and they announced it to us. they even took into accounts of our ideas and how to balance it and other gameplay mechanics they can add to it to spruce it up to be even more awesome. paul sage was nearly jumping out of his chair with excitement to go tell the justice team some ideas.
i would be extremely dissapointed after all that that they decided to scrap the enforcers, its an opt in system that you dont have to participate in if you dont want to as was explained to me already. dont break the law and you wont be hunted by enforcers. if enforcers are baring the entrances to the criminal dens, you can expect me there to clear them out for you, just call them out in zone chat.
Right now they are so busy getting console launch ready, expect to feel a little neglected for the next few months. i do hope they let us know that this is still going to happen though. the next road ahead maybe.
Edit: Nice this was my 1000th post on the forums.Edited by cozmon3c_ESO on April 28, 2015 9:09PMGuild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »On ESO live (about two weeks ago now) they mentioned the enforcer system. All they said was it is still being worked on. The best we can take from that is that it had not been scrapped, but doesn't mean it won't be.
As to the camping of entrances to the underground, a safe zone would most likely be implemented where player enforcers cannot actively fight another player upon approach.
So they'd camp just outside the safe zone instead?
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »I cant wait for this portion of the justice system to launch, i have been looking forward to this ever since i was sitting in that room at teh guild summit and they announced it to us. they even took into accounts of our ideas and how to balance it and other gameplay mechanics they can add to it to spruce it up to be even more awesome. paul sage was nearly jumping out of his chair with excitement to go tell the justice team some ideas.
i would be extremely dissapointed after all that that they decided to scrap the enforcers, its an opt in system that you dont have to participate in if you dont want to as was explained to me already. dont break the law and you wont be hunted by enforcers. if enforcers are baring the entrances to the criminal dens, you can expect me there to clear them out for you, just call them out in zone chat.
Right now they are so busy getting console launch ready, expect to feel a little neglected for the next few months. i do hope they let us know that this is still going to happen though. the next road ahead maybe.
Edit: Nice this was my 1000th post on the forums.
Just to clarify - my "awesome" vote was for your 1000th post, not for its content
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Delith✭✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »I cant wait for this portion of the justice system to launch, i have been looking forward to this ever since i was sitting in that room at teh guild summit and they announced it to us. they even took into accounts of our ideas and how to balance it and other gameplay mechanics they can add to it to spruce it up to be even more awesome. paul sage was nearly jumping out of his chair with excitement to go tell the justice team some ideas.
i would be extremely dissapointed after all that that they decided to scrap the enforcers, its an opt in system that you dont have to participate in if you dont want to as was explained to me already. dont break the law and you wont be hunted by enforcers. if enforcers are baring the entrances to the criminal dens, you can expect me there to clear them out for you, just call them out in zone chat.
Right now they are so busy getting console launch ready, expect to feel a little neglected for the next few months. i do hope they let us know that this is still going to happen though. the next road ahead maybe.
Edit: Nice this was my 1000th post on the forums.
Nice to see there are brave villains who are looking for a challenge. I am looking forward to fighting with you. ^_^1 -
Father✭✭✭And where is the spellcrafting...and where is the removal of veteran ranks...and where is imperial city...and where is Wrothgar or Orsinium ??? where is the thieves guild or dark brotherhood !?
The current content is boring...NEW refreshment please the game launched with so many bugs and still has plenty..man I even got used to it LoL. probably most resources wasted on fixing bugs instead of making new content which is nothing wrong with that..its just feels its gonna be forever patch fix this..new known issue...1 month pass...patch fix known issue..new bug appear.
But I still have faith in the dev team...they brought the justice system and it was cool, champion system which gave us new creative way to build up our character. The game graphics look stunning on ultra as well
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Sandmanninja✭✭✭✭If this goes Live, expect to see a bunch of elite epeeners, vr14 with 200+ champion points and all purple gear, ganking everyone they can in the starter/low level zones.
/sarcasm on
yaaaa...
/sarcasm off
Honestly, unless it's perfect, it's going to get abused.
I mis-press a key, heal a mob of flagged players, and get flagged myself.
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Delith✭✭✭✭Sandmanninja wrote: »If this goes Live, expect to see a bunch of elite epeeners, vr14 with 200+ champion points and all purple gear, ganking everyone they can in the starter/low level zones.
/sarcasm on
yaaaa...
/sarcasm off
Honestly, unless it's perfect, it's going to get abused.
I mis-press a key, heal a mob of flagged players, and get flagged myself.
No five minute timer - just an insta-1000+ gold bounty...
I'm not asking for it to be rushed, but simply for someone to tell us whether or not we can still expect it. As a previous poster has pointed out, Matt Firor has stated it may not even come at all.
I would like to know whether or not to continue investing time in the game. If the system won't be coming, I can stop looking forward to it, and focus on other things.
I don't think that's really unreasonable, though I guess there are people in this thread vehemently angry enough that the system might come to be that they think it is unreasonable.3 -
dawnhawk✭✭✭I'm not asking for it to be rushed, but simply for someone to tell us whether or not we can still expect it. As a previous poster has pointed out, Matt Firor has stated it may not even come at all.
I would like to know whether or not to continue investing time in the game. If the system won't be coming, I can stop looking forward to it, and focus on other things.
I don't think that's really unreasonable, though I guess there are people in this thread vehemently angry enough that the system might come to be that they think it is unreasonable.
The simple fact is - they haven't answered the last oh...3dozen+ of these threads to go out in the last few months. It is likely they do not at this time have a concrete answer.
And everytime they make a non-concrete answer ("we would like to", "we are considering", "we believe that this would be great", "we want X, Y, Z", "we think that") - everyone jumps on that as if it's a sworn to death promise and that they should be labelled oathbreakers and sent into the bowels of oblivion for "lying to them" the second one of those don't pan out exactly the way someone wanted...which frankly as a programmer myself would make me a bit leary of saying anything until the build was ready to deploy EVER. So I can't really blame them for backing off on even those types of answers in the recent past.
"Wait and See" is really the only answer you might get.
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I would like to know whether or not to continue investing time in the game. If the system won't be coming, I can stop looking forward to it, and focus on other things.
In all honesty, if the Enforcer system is the only reason you want to play the game then I'd suggest moving on. Chances are that even if it does come in, it isn't going to be enough on its own to sustain long-term interest in the game. Your choice, of course.1
