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Would You Like To See Race Passives Gone
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Xinz'r✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)RainfeatherUK wrote: »Having Racial passives / Meaning in their choice, is one of the good aspects of the game. One that too few mmo's have the courage to even attempt.
Removing them would be one step closer to failure. I for one don't want things dumbed down to appease balance. They should tweak and adjust when required sure but never remove them for the sake of being lazy.
The value that they add to character personalisation and to the already stated lore, is irreplaceable.
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No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)I'm glad to see mostly "no" here. In so many games people keep screaming for a balance that just turns the game into a bland every-class-is-the-same thing where they might as well just give you an option of one of three classes. Tank, healer, DPS.
The main reason I play this game is the freedom I get while creating and equipping my character. My sorc. can tank, heal, or dps and I'd hate to see that disappear because someone thought a class was OP (Which btw will always happen)
Some games all the choice is taken out for the sake of balance. "There, it's balanced, everyone is the same. Now everyone's happy"
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Spangla✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I like the strengths and weaknesses. It makes the races feel different beyond just looking different. However, I suspect we'll probably end up at a point where the differences between the races are mostly cosmetic, like GW2, if the whiners get their way.
What about the races which clearly have no strengths and, when compared to races such as imperial or redguard, have only weaknesses0 -
exiledtyrant✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)If anything I would want to see race choice matter more, all being balanced and offer unique twist on any build.
This I can definitely get behind. I love rolling melee sorcerers on Dungeons and Dragons online. I usually do so as human because i like the versatility and extra feats. At a later time when I revisited the game I decided my next melee sorcerer would be a dwarven eldritch knight. His race choice not only gave me a completely different stat spread but different game play elements such as the ability to use my constitution for damage, health, certain spell checks, and defensive rolls. I experienced a charisma dominated class in a whole new light that was very enjoyable.If all are brethren
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Dragonphart✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)No, this adds diversity to the game. I am sorry but I totally disagree with people who want everyone to be the same in the game and to make Delves and Dungeons instance only so they have it only to them selves. There are a lot of other games out there that already do this, cough WoW cough.
This adds real challenge and the PvP has a real sense of danger to them.0 -
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✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)This is an Elder Scrolls game. Racial passives exist because it is an Elder Scrolls game. That is what the ES in ESO stands for. Deal with it.0 -
Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)I do rather like the idea of races having strengths and weaknesses. However, I do think it needs to be revisited. There are certain races that most everyone recommends over others. In order to maintain diversity, there really needs to be balance among the races in terms of passives.
If ZOS ever introduces a paid option to race change, which I see talked about often on these here forums, it would be a calamity of great magnitude. It would be like what I have seen in WoW. Blizzard has even changed ratials, buffed and nerfed others, in an obvious attempt to get folks to purchase a race change. It was and still is a ridiculous attempt at a money grab. But guess what? There are plenty of folks that purchase it... sad... look at the top of the leader boards for Arena and you will see the vast majority are Human. Previous seasons have seen Horde as the dominate faction in terms of ratial passives and abilities.
Getting back to ESO, a far superior game to kiddy land WoW, I think that with the fact that a player can make any race apart of any Alliance, why not make it so that you can not only pick your race, but you could also pick the passives you so desired? Least this way, folks can play the Race they want, but they could also pick the passives.
Still, I would prefer a system where a race, that you choose, does in fact have strengths AND weaknesses. Say for instance, the Nords... they deal with cold very well... but perhaps they didn't do so well against fire? So, fire damage would be amplified, only by a very small percentage... say 1% or 2%... but Frost damage, they would have more defense against.
This is just an idea and one that would take some time to really balance out... still, I like this idea of race and passives associated... strengths and weaknesses. That should be what it comes down to.
I just want to see all races on the battlefield! I don't want to see a bunch of Imperials running around... Imperials against Imperials... boring...YouTube channel Rohaus Lives!
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Psychobunni wrote: »Because I don't pvp is the simplest answer
"because not everyone pvp's" should be the correct answer
pvp leets need to stop trying to change the game for the worse0 -
MyNegation✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)I Want racial passives, even meaningful racial passives.
but i want them to be equally spreaded between factions, i.e.
each faction will have race that is better for magica, race that is better for stamina and race that is better for health.
i will want to avoid a situation of a faction that all its races are good for stamina builds and no race is good for magica/health etc.
if one faction magica race get extra flat magica, other factions race will get extra magica regen , the third faction will get race that get spell cost reduction. etc.
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No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)As an Argonian, I deserve to win every swimming contest.2 -
Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)Interesting results thank you guys and gals for helping out with this poll. Edited by Heromofo on April 27, 2015 3:52PM0 -
No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)You're right. Let's just remove all builds, skills, passives, and every other feature that makes this an RPG.
Essentially, between this and other topics, this seems to be what some people want. Races to become merely cosmetic differences so everyone can be exact equals.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Racial differences are critical to ES, critical to the RPG in MMORPG , and add flavour and tactics to the game. It makes sense that some races are more inclined to magic while others are more inclined to physical skills, for example.
If the racial passives need balancing then fine, let ZOS re-visit them and do some tweaking, but let's not dumb the game down by removing such things.
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Vaerth✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)Personally i believe they should there should be total balance.
People should choose the race they like without worrying about best stats for there build.
So lets see who else agrees make sure to leave a comment below as to why you agree/disagree.
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I do not like that I can not play my desired race with it being forced into a class role. For example, my stamina build can never be breton due to racials, and vice versa for Imperial.Pact Bloodwraith0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)I have both an argonian and nord, and I don't want them removed.. They should just be balanced a bit better
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)Personally i believe they should there should be total balance.
People should choose the race they like without worrying about best stats for there build.
So lets see who else agrees make sure to leave a comment below as to why you agree/disagree.
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I do not like that I can not play my desired race with it being forced into a class role. For example, my stamina build can never be breton due to racials, and vice versa for Imperial.
Unfortunately i think the poll speaks for its self. Trust me i agree with you hence why i made the poll. But most just want a balancing of them and not to remove them. But maybe some day also personally id like to see racial passives be more non combat use.0 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Racial passives are the only thing that distinguish the races aside from lore and different skins. Why would you ever get rid of them?
Sure, buff up some races (nord, argonian) to match the stronger ones. But eliminating them all together just takes out a crucial piece of diversity in this game. The variety between builds would be minimal. And that's just incredibly boring.0 -
Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)Racial passives are the only thing that distinguish the races aside from lore and different skins. Why would you ever get rid of them?
Sure, buff up some races (nord, argonian) to match the stronger ones. But eliminating them all together just takes out a crucial piece of diversity in this game. The variety between builds would be minimal. And that's just incredibly boring.
I'll take it your not a min/maxer the problem is say you want the best outcome for a mage class you need to be Altmer. The most effective melee build is Imperial. Just like best stealth is khajiit or archer is wood elf.
Edit: if you dont have Imperial you can do red guard.Edited by Heromofo on April 27, 2015 7:44PM0 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Racial passives are the only thing that distinguish the races aside from lore and different skins. Why would you ever get rid of them?
Sure, buff up some races (nord, argonian) to match the stronger ones. But eliminating them all together just takes out a crucial piece of diversity in this game. The variety between builds would be minimal. And that's just incredibly boring.
I'll take it your not a min/maxer the problem is say you want the best outcome for a mage class you need to be Altmer. The most effective melee build is Imperial. Just like best stealth is khajiit or archer is wood elf.
Edit: if you dont have Imperial you can do red guard.
"Not a min maxer", lol. You should probably not make blanketed assumptions about people you don't know, because I am in fact deeply interested in min/maxing.
I regularly discuss numbers and components to optimizing DPS with a variety of people. It is for this reason that I enjoy the racial differences and don't want to obliterate them.
The discussion of "what is optimal" is contingent upon the fact that there is something to discuss or compare. Khajiit vs Redguard, one has much higher crit damage one has better stam sustain. Altmer vs Dunmer, comparing the 9% max magicka + flame dmg VS. 10% max Magicka and ele dmg. In addition to comparing races, you can also observe racial passives with champion passives and see which combos are strongest.
Min maxers are not just people who all want to run the same build. Min maxing is about finding a way to push the envelope, to find new compilations and crunch numbers to see what the best possible combinations are. Removing racial passives removes a crucial component of this.
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)Racial passives are the only thing that distinguish the races aside from lore and different skins. Why would you ever get rid of them?
Sure, buff up some races (nord, argonian) to match the stronger ones. But eliminating them all together just takes out a crucial piece of diversity in this game. The variety between builds would be minimal. And that's just incredibly boring.
I'll take it your not a min/maxer the problem is say you want the best outcome for a mage class you need to be Altmer. The most effective melee build is Imperial. Just like best stealth is khajiit or archer is wood elf.
Edit: if you dont have Imperial you can do red guard.
"Not a min maxer", lol. You should probably not make blanketed assumptions about people you don't know, because I am in fact deeply interested in min/maxing.
I regularly discuss numbers and components to optimizing DPS with a variety of people. It is for this reason that I enjoy the racial differences and don't want to obliterate them.
The discussion of "what is optimal" is contingent upon the fact that there is something to discuss or compare. Khajiit vs Redguard, one has much higher crit damage one has better stam sustain. Altmer vs Dunmer, comparing the 9% max magicka + flame dmg VS. 10% max Magicka and ele dmg. In addition to comparing races, you can also observe racial passives with champion passives and see which combos are strongest.
Min maxers are not just people who all want to run the same build. Min maxing is about finding a way to push the envelope, to find new compilations and crunch numbers to see what the best possible combinations are. Removing racial passives removes a crucial component of this.
Lol sorry i did not mean to offend as its very hard to put emotions into txt. I agree to a point but i would like to see more orc mages etc starting to see alot of the same few races.
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Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Racial passives are the only thing that distinguish the races aside from lore and different skins. Why would you ever get rid of them?
Sure, buff up some races (nord, argonian) to match the stronger ones. But eliminating them all together just takes out a crucial piece of diversity in this game. The variety between builds would be minimal. And that's just incredibly boring.
I'll take it your not a min/maxer the problem is say you want the best outcome for a mage class you need to be Altmer. The most effective melee build is Imperial. Just like best stealth is khajiit or archer is wood elf.
Edit: if you dont have Imperial you can do red guard.
"Not a min maxer", lol. You should probably not make blanketed assumptions about people you don't know, because I am in fact deeply interested in min/maxing.
I regularly discuss numbers and components to optimizing DPS with a variety of people. It is for this reason that I enjoy the racial differences and don't want to obliterate them.
The discussion of "what is optimal" is contingent upon the fact that there is something to discuss or compare. Khajiit vs Redguard, one has much higher crit damage one has better stam sustain. Altmer vs Dunmer, comparing the 9% max magicka + flame dmg VS. 10% max Magicka and ele dmg. In addition to comparing races, you can also observe racial passives with champion passives and see which combos are strongest.
Min maxers are not just people who all want to run the same build. Min maxing is about finding a way to push the envelope, to find new compilations and crunch numbers to see what the best possible combinations are. Removing racial passives removes a crucial component of this.
Lol sorry i did not mean to offend as its very hard to put emotions into txt. I agree to a point but i would like to see more orc mages etc starting to see alot of the same few races.
My 2 cents anyway
Yeah, this is a racial imbalance issue more than a racial passive issue. Races are absolutely imbalanced. 3-5 races are played regularly while the rest are neglected due to poor passives. It's really a shame and idk what Zos is thinking. Removing all racial passives all-together is not the answer though.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)Normally I scoff at the "lore" nannies, but removing the racial passives really would be a serious lore violation!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
Oolou✭✭✭No i wish to see each race have strengths and weaknesses ( Please comment)I guess I just like there to be something to differentiate the races other than appearance.0 -
Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes i want to see race passives gone and play what race i wish to (Please comment)I guess I just like there to be something to differentiate the races other than appearance.
Well they could always make the benefits for them non combat use then.
Like the way each race dances, each race should have special tattoos and hair styles and racial mounts.
You get the idea this could work as well.0