Personally i want to see each race choice be made because they like that race and not because of stats.

Heromofo wrote: »

Personally i believe they should there should be total balance.
People should choose the race they like without worrying about best stats for there build.
So lets see who else agrees make sure to leave a comment below as to why you agree/disagree.

Not voting because I don't feel strongly one way or the other. What I do know is that if racial traits are in, they should be carefully balanced, which is not the case right now. Maybe a third option would be to have racial traits be more of a convenience rather than a utility advantage, i.e. they could be fluff and not give one race and advantage over other races.

Maybe they should be lessened a bit but some races should have benefits. Argonians should swim faster. Nords should be tougher, Altmer should be more adept to magic.

Gidorick wrote: »

Maybe they should be lessened a bit but some races should have benefits. Argonians should swim faster. Nords should be tougher, Altmer should be more adept to magic.

I agree with the idea but the balancing will always leave one short especially with pvp and end game.

No, I'd like there to be racial passives, just for them to be appropriately balanced (there should be strengths and weaknesses for each race, but not the same strengths and weaknesses).

Personally, it's because ever since I've played Elder Scrolls (Morrowind +) there have always been racial passives, and it's just always been a part of the game. Sure, you may have a harder time working with an Orc mage, but you could do it--you weren't class-locked like some games. I feel it adds some cultural immersion and makes the races stand out some from another, indicating that there are more differences than just appearance. It would be...disappointing...if they got rid of them. Not worth quitting over, certainly, but it would be a shame.

I do think they need to be revisited, though, since there are a few generally useless passives out there--if one race is going to have a useless passive (Argonian swim-speed, which is a left-over from previous ES games but not really applicable in this game) then all races should have a useless (if immersive) passive. Or you could just make all of them useful. Either way I'm happy.

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If there is nothing to set races apart from each other, why even bother to have races in the first place? Why not just let us have a mannikin body, featureless and exactly like every other character that everyone else plays?

No, there has to be things besides cosmetics that set the races apart from one another.

Oh, I don't PvP either, so having some kind of advantage over someone else does not figure into my reasoning whatsoever.

The outliers could use balancing, but races should be unique.

Without racial strengths and weakenesses, what's the point of having races?

The races are not only aesthetic, represent the qualities and defects of the people to which they belong. They are an identity that defines the character.

Maybe what we need is an overall improvement or balance that allows them to be useful without a single race OP is generated.

Betahkiin wrote: »

Without racial strengths and weakenesses, what's the point of having races?

The races are not only aesthetic, represent the qualities and defects of the people to which they belong. They are an identity that defines the character.

Maybe what we need is an overall improvement or balance that allows them to be useful without a single race OP is generated.

The problem with strengths and weaknesses is balancing.

Take Dunmer and their fire resistance. That's a pretty nifty thing to have, right? But if you consider that there is practically no other elemental damage in end-game content, and no other racial traits to counter what few there are, then it's a HUGE advantage. This isn't just laziness at the racial trait level, it's also at the combat/boss design level. Every friggin' motherfrigger in trials or vet dungeons is hurling fire at you - why??

Homogenization is what killed WoW'S diversity, now everything in that game is the same.... Rogues Druids Warriors are all identical in WoW and have almost no class diversity (same abilities with diff names/icons lol).

The best way to keep a game fun is to make everything in the game as diverse as possible.

If wood elfs get something like 10% boosted dmg with bows and dark elfs get the same thing for daggers and lizard people get to run and swim fast......... lol I mean cmon? whats not fun about that?

I would like to see MORE Passives in this game in general (race and class).

I hated in WoW when druids were at one point better rogues than rogues . . . lol made no sense and both classes had pretty much the exact same abilities just with different icons/graphics attached . . . it was stupid/still is.

As frustrating as everyone wanting to play FotM races are, I still like the choices.

My Bosmer Sorcerer is a testament to how little I care about min/max

People can and will argue forever about whether one race has an advantage over another because of the race perks but race perks and their consequences have been a part of this series and the lore behind it for as long as I have played and to drop it simply because a few people get upset they may not have picked the optimum max/min build would be a damn shame.

Nope but they need changes.

I like the strengths and weaknesses. It makes the races feel different beyond just looking different. However, I suspect we'll probably end up at a point where the differences between the races are mostly cosmetic, like GW2, if the whiners get their way.

Nah, I like the passives. Gives racial choice more importance than looks. But they also aren't super important to most builds, unless you're trying for trials, or top PVP scores. I mean, they aren't penalties. Wouldn't that suck?

Besides, they know people are upset about the balancing, and have plans already set to change them. But then if they change them, people would want to be able to respec their race. So they have planned to release the racial changes and the racial respec ability at the same time. All this was answered in the latest Live episode. And even though they didn't cover this in the live episode, I assume the barbershop is waiting to be released at the same time as those changes, because why have a racial respec if you can't change how you look?

So just chill and wait. I know we all hate having to wait until after console release for fun stuff, but we'll survive.