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Breton's passives now are so unfair...

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SilverWF
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Hi there
I'm taking about "Magicka Mastery" passive or 1/2/3% redused cost of spells.

Before your "Caps removed" patch Bretons were viable choice for mages, because it was possible to reach caps without racial passives. So another races wasn't too much overpowered in comparison with Bretons.
But now, without caps every race with huge +Stat or +Statregen passives got a huuuuuge boost, especially Imperials, coz crazy HP passive - this is always good in the PvP and PvE.
And what about Bretons? We are still have that dumb -3% spells cost? Seriously? THREE PERCENTS? Let's compare with +22% main stat passive? Huh?
Bretons now - not a good choice to be mage. That's a problem!

Also, what a cost of that -3% spells cost in the champ system? 5 points or so? How it even can be compared with +stat passives? To get that +22% stat how many I need to spent? 50 points? 100? More?

And what I need to do now?
Level NEW Sorc: Imperial or High Elf? Waste another month at the SAME rails? Thanks, no.
Buy "race change" when it will be released and buy it for real money only? Wow, clear pay-to-win.

No Way.

That passive must be changed to "-5 / -10 / -15% spells cost" or even more.
OR.
Give free race change to the every Breton character.

Thanks for reading.

[Moderator Note: Edited title to match discussion]
Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 24, 2015 2:58PM
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  • Xsorus
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    Rofl.. Just wow...
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  • Shinon
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    i play a nord. so stop complaining, please.
    Alpträume existieren außerhalb der Logik. Es bringt wenig sie erklären zu wollen. Sie sind die Antithese der Poesie der Angst. In Horrorgeschichten fragt das Opfer immer nach dem warum. Aber es gibt keine Erklärung und es sollte auch keine geben.
  • SilverWF
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    Shinon wrote: »
    i play a nord. so stop complaining, please.

    You can play with the every race you want to.
    Don't say to me what I need to do.
    Thanks.
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  • Shinon
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Shinon wrote: »
    i play a nord. so stop complaining, please.

    You can play with the every race you want to.
    Don't say to me what I need to do.
    Thanks.

    yes. you can play with every race. so stop complaining about breton and reroll imperial.
    Alpträume existieren außerhalb der Logik. Es bringt wenig sie erklären zu wollen. Sie sind die Antithese der Poesie der Angst. In Horrorgeschichten fragt das Opfer immer nach dem warum. Aber es gibt keine Erklärung und es sollte auch keine geben.
  • SilverWF
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    Shinon wrote: »
    reroll imperial.

    Give me free race change.

    Before caps nerfed Bretons were good choice for mages.
    Now they are not - that's a main problem.
    Edited by SilverWF on April 24, 2015 8:05AM
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  • Shinon
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Shinon wrote: »
    reroll imperial.

    Give me free race change.

    Before caps nerfed Bretons were good choice for mages.
    Now they are not - that's a main problem.

    bretons are still good. nord and argonian are not.and they never were.
    Alpträume existieren außerhalb der Logik. Es bringt wenig sie erklären zu wollen. Sie sind die Antithese der Poesie der Angst. In Horrorgeschichten fragt das Opfer immer nach dem warum. Aber es gibt keine Erklärung und es sollte auch keine geben.
  • Bashev
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    Just reroll.
    Because I can!
  • SilverWF
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    Shinon wrote: »
    bretons are still good. nord and argonian are not.and they never were.

    Exactly, that's a point: Nords are always were bad to be mages. But good for tanking/melee - before and now.

    Bretons were good to be mages, also as HE or DE, but now Bretons do not have good buffs to be mages. This -3% in comparison with +22% - just a spit in the face.
    So being Breton-mage now just the same strange as being Breton-tank!
    Edited by SilverWF on April 24, 2015 8:12AM
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  • SilverWF
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    Bashev wrote: »
    Just reroll.

    And level new char again at the same rails? Waste 1 month just because someone changed game machanic without thinking about balance? Nice advice, thanks! :D
    Edited by SilverWF on April 24, 2015 8:12AM
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  • Bashev
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Shinon wrote: »
    bretons are still good. nord and argonian are not.and they never were.

    Exactly, that's a point: Nords are always were bad to be mages. But good for tanking/melle - before and now.

    Bretons were good to be mages, also as HE or DE, but now Bretons do not have good buffs to be mages. This -3% in comparison with +22% - just a spit in the face.
    So being Breton-mage now just the same strange as being Breton-tank!
    22%? But you don't need stamina as a mage so it is only 12% health but you have 10% magicka so it is equal.
    Because I can!
  • SilverWF
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    Bashev wrote: »
    22%? But you don't need stamina as a mage so it is only 12% health but you have 10% magicka so it is equal.

    Sure, you don't need break-free or roll.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 24, 2015 2:56PM
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  • SilverWF
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    This -3% just equal to 3 or 5 champion points! Soooo cool racial passive! ><
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  • Bashev
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Bashev wrote: »
    22%? But you don't need stamina as a mage so it is only 12% health but you have 10% magicka so it is equal.

    Sure, you don't need break-free or roll.
    Do you know how it was before the soft caps removal? The races who had these passives couldt take any advantage of that because they hit the soft cap. And then the other races have other passives which doesnt have any cap ex. increased crit damage, reduce magicka cost, increase fire damage, etc.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 24, 2015 2:56PM
    Because I can!
  • SilverWF
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    Bashev wrote: »
    SilverWF wrote: »
    Bashev wrote: »
    22%? But you don't need stamina as a mage so it is only 12% health but you have 10% magicka so it is equal.

    Sure, you don't need break-free or roll.
    Do you know how it was before the soft caps removal? The races who had these passives couldt take any advantage of that because they hit the soft cap. And then the other races have other passives which doesnt have any cap ex. increased crit damage, reduce magicka cost, increase fire damage, etc.

    You are asking me am I know what was before? Imperial preorder here, so do not say me about "before".
    Yes, they was without any huge adavntage, but DO bretons was with it? -3% - this is not huge advantage.
    And now Bretons passive just a spit in the face, it is equal to 3-5 champ point for the EVERY race.
    How many champ points I need to spent just to recieve the same 22% stat buff? 20? 30? 100? 1000? Also, there is nothing to prevent Imps or Bosmers to do the same and they will be with the SAME huge advantage!

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_ArtG on April 24, 2015 2:55PM
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  • Drago Belsazar
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    Please let all choose their 3 Passives and Good Game. Make it easy. You need to do all quest of racial areas and you can receive for example "Gift of the Bretons", "Gift of the Orcs" or whatever. Make Racial only cosmetic. No one could complain anymore and can roll the way he want to.
  • SilverWF
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    Drago Belsazar wrote: »
    Please let all choose their 3 Passives and Good Game. Make it easy. You need to do all quest of racial areas and you can receive for example "Gift of the Bretons", "Gift of the Orcs" or whatever. Make Racial only cosmetic. No one could complain anymore and can roll the way he want to.

    Pretty good idea!
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  • Bashev
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    Drago Belsazar wrote: »
    Please let all choose their 3 Passives and Good Game. Make it easy. You need to do all quest of racial areas and you can receive for example "Gift of the Bretons", "Gift of the Orcs" or whatever. Make Racial only cosmetic. No one could complain anymore and can roll the way he want to.
    Actually this will be a nice idea.

    Because I can!
  • Mayrael
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    Haha breton complaining that his race isnt so stronk as it used to be... I am an altmer and i would be ashemed to complain on my race passives... See what happened to argonians.
    I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    Bashev wrote: »
    22%? But you don't need stamina as a mage so it is only 12% health but you have 10% magicka so it is equal.

    Sure, you don't need break-free or roll. Stop trolling please, be constructive.
    I'm not at all sure he's the one trolling .. he has a perfectly good point, Stamina is NOT needed for mages so their natural 'naked' pool is more than enough for the actions you cite.
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    This -3% just equal to 3 or 5 champion points! Soooo cool racial passive! ><

    That is misleading, because the cost depends on how many you already spent.

    To get magicka cost reduction from 0% to 2.9%(a ~3% increase), you indeed only have to spend 6 champion points. But to get it from 7.1% to 10.1% (a 3% increase) you now have to spend 21 points. And every 3% increase after that costs more and more.
  • Brasseurfb16_ESO
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    I don't think Bretons have to complain a lot about their passives. The only buff I could definitly see is toward spell resistance. Instead of 3000 at VR14 it should grant 3600 to be on par with Khajiit 6% critical chance. Since it takes 2 purple set bonuses to get 6% so Bretons should at least have 3600 (2x1800) should they compensate with another set to get the same values.

    Actualy, I think every racial bonuses should be based on the amount of a VR14 purple set and every multiplicative value should just be removed from racials. It would be much easier to balance and make the races on par with each other.
    Edited by Brasseurfb16_ESO on April 24, 2015 11:33AM
  • bloodenragedb14_ESO
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    bretons are still good for magic, im not really seeing the reason that they are not
  • SantaOrc
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    @SilverWF:
    Breton Sorc here. Imperial Preorder, i am so cool.

    2,9% costreduction are not 3-5, but 6 CPs.
    If you do it yourself as Breton, you are at 3% + 2,9% = 5,9%
    If other races want to reach 5,9%, they have to spend 13 points more than you.
    So actually other races don't have to spend "3-5 CPs" as you state, but 13 to get the same benefit as you.
    And guess what? If you spend those 13 more points as a breton, too, you are at 8,9%. Try to reach that which another race; would take you another 19 points. No matter how many points the other races will spend, you will be always 3% ahead of them. When they maxed out at 15,8%, you are still at 18,8%.

    If thats still way too bad for you, go ahead and reroll.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 24, 2015 9:07PM
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    Don't worry, race change soon in the crown store...my guess around 1500 crowns
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    Bring the player not the character. You can have all the advantage but its the usage of that advantage that matters.

    Its what you can bring to the plate even when you are disadvantage that really helps the teaM.

    My two cents.
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  • RavenSworn
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    There is another way to see it. With their stamina passives you can use that extra resources for dodge block and roll Much better than say.. Breton. Hell, even a bosmer mage might be better at nb magicka buold with alot of cloaking and running around.

    /Shrug
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  • Erock25
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    ITT: Someone with arguably the best race for a mage complaining about his passives.
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  • Sacadon
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    Ummmm yeah, no. Breton resist passives are EDIT very good and perfect for some builds. was not aware of the 1.6 changes to the resist passives (thx @Ezareth )
    Edited by Sacadon on April 25, 2015 2:23PM
  • Artemiisia
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    guys SilverWF, is a min/maxer so racial passives means something for him, especially since hes competing against hodor

    so I understand why the rage, how ever its that way for all now SilverWF, many of us are rerolling to get the best out of the class/race again
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