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ZOS, how long will it take to fix the massive imbalance between magicka and stamina builds in PVP?

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  • DeLindsay
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    Leeric wrote: »
    Weird how people complained magicka builds were op and now stamina builds are op lol
    It's not really weird or odd, ZoS only knows how to do extreme left or far right, there is no middle with ZoS.
  • Ser Lobo
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    Leeric wrote: »
    Weird how people complained magicka builds were op and now stamina builds are op lol
    It's not really weird or odd, ZoS only knows how to do extreme left or far right, there is no middle with ZoS.

    So said every player about every game company, ever.
    Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
    Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
    Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.

    XBOX NA
    Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.

    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • DeLindsay
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    ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »
    DeLindsay wrote: »
    Leeric wrote: »
    Weird how people complained magicka builds were op and now stamina builds are op lol
    It's not really weird or odd, ZoS only knows how to do extreme left or far right, there is no middle with ZoS.

    So said every player about every game company, ever.
    CCP and everyone who has played Eve Online for more than 1 week would like to disagree with you.

  • Ser Lobo
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »
    DeLindsay wrote: »
    Leeric wrote: »
    Weird how people complained magicka builds were op and now stamina builds are op lol
    It's not really weird or odd, ZoS only knows how to do extreme left or far right, there is no middle with ZoS.

    So said every player about every game company, ever.
    CCP and everyone who has played Eve Online for more than 1 week would like to disagree with you.

    Stab balancing in 2011 was the first thing that popped to my mind to highlight my point, hahaha. But yeah, CCP is about the only one I've ever seen get close to right, and they STILL get accused of overbalancing and 'breaking what didn't need fixed'.

    Been playing EvE since 2005.
    Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
    Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
    Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.

    XBOX NA
    Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.

    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • PKMN12
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    I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this since people LOVE the open skill system, but they made it TOO open too allow for any real balancing. such an open skill system is simply bad game design on an MMO, it is impossible to balance.
  • Frawr
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this since people LOVE the open skill system, but they made it TOO open too allow for any real balancing. such an open skill system is simply bad game design on an MMO, it is impossible to balance.

    Totally the opposite.

    Balance is achieved when everyone has access to all of the same skills.

    No balance here because 1 class has op burst skills and another has op heals and so on.

    Classes are a crap sticking plaster to help lead non - thinking people by the nose.
  • cazlonb16_ESO
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    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Obviously you haven't been flared and beamed to death by a magica templar in less than a second from 40k hp to 0

    Considering Dark Flare takes more than a second to cast and Jesus Beam is a 3 second cast, that is a pretty safe bet. What you claim has never happened, ever, it is just impossible.

    Complaining about magicka Templar damage can only be considered trolling anyway.
    Edited by cazlonb16_ESO on April 22, 2015 11:53AM
  • PKMN12
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    Frawr wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this since people LOVE the open skill system, but they made it TOO open too allow for any real balancing. such an open skill system is simply bad game design on an MMO, it is impossible to balance.

    Totally the opposite.

    Balance is achieved when everyone has access to all of the same skills.

    No balance here because 1 class has op burst skills and another has op heals and so on.

    Classes are a crap sticking plaster to help lead non - thinking people by the nose.

    if everyone had access to everything, you are right, there would be balance.........because everyone would be using the same 5 skills with very little difference between builds or players..........

    please know something about MMOs
  • Frawr
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Frawr wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    I am probably going to get a lot of hate for this since people LOVE the open skill system, but they made it TOO open too allow for any real balancing. such an open skill system is simply bad game design on an MMO, it is impossible to balance.

    Totally the opposite.

    Balance is achieved when everyone has access to all of the same skills.

    No balance here because 1 class has op burst skills and another has op heals and so on.

    Classes are a crap sticking plaster to help lead non - thinking people by the nose.

    if everyone had access to everything, you are right, there would be balance.........because everyone would be using the same 5 skills with very little difference between builds or players..........

    please know something about MMOs

    Of course the copycats would be doing that. there is far more scope to come up with counter builds though.

    A large part of the problem is the endless guide writers telling them which skills synergise well. If only these people would keep quiet then there would be less copying.

  • McDoogs
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    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Obviously you haven't been flared and beamed to death by a magica templar in less than a second from 40k hp to 0

    Considering Dark Flare takes more than a second to cast and Jesus Beam is a 3 second cast, that is a pretty safe bet. What you claim has never happened, ever, it is just impossible.

    Complaining about magicka Templar damage can only be considered trolling anyway.

    It would be better to complain about magicka templar survivability imo, a well built one can live for days while getting beat on. But yeah, back to the topic at hand, its pretty easy to build a stam build that can dodgeroll endlessly (aka 100% mitigation) and still do enough burst to kill almost anyone
    Edited by McDoogs on April 22, 2015 1:28PM
  • akray21
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    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Oh and you havent been bursted down to oblivion by a magica nightblade.

    Wait a minute, where is magicka NB's burst coming from?

    - Not Ambush, that was given to stam players
    - Not Surprise Attack, that was given to stam players
    - Not from anyother NB class skill, because there are no more burst damage skills for NBs

    Am I missing something?
  • Stamden
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    The problem with buffing magika is that Sorcs will become even more OP. Nerf Sorcs then progress can be made to magika builds.
    PC NA

    ~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~
  • BRogueNZ
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    cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »
    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Obviously you haven't been flared and beamed to death by a magica templar in less than a second from 40k hp to 0

    Considering Dark Flare takes more than a second to cast and Jesus Beam is a 3 second cast, that is a pretty safe bet. What you claim has never happened, ever, it is just impossible.

    Complaining about magicka Templar damage can only be considered trolling anyway.

    More than likely got wacked by a hundred different things and the beam finished him off when it actually starts hurting.
    The beam is kinda cheesey and does nothing to anyone with enough health.
    I'm a 3 second blast survivor and I have had people laugh and make funny faces at times when I've used it too.

  • Keron
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    Not saying anything needs to be merged or buffed, just giving my opinion.

    Jesus beam still hits like a truck even outside of execute range - if the respective templar is skilled correctly and the victim doesn't have his nirnhoned armor.

    I was roaming in my PvE set which has zero nirnhoned a couple of days ago and had one death screen which consistent of a single line, Jesus beam and the number 26'000 something on the right side.

    The guy hit me from stealth, I was so scared I didn't react at all and the beam ran its full course. I was at full health at that point.

    It still gave me the time to react, and it went up this far only because I let it happen, I know. But from a pure number perspective, that effing beam still hits like a truck.
  • MisterBigglesworth
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    Still waiting.
    Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
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