monkeymystic wrote: »

Stamina builds are currently superior compared to magicka builds across the board in PvP. The difference is so huge that players using a magicka build in PvP currently (except for sorcerers) are considered "Gimp".

There are very few defenses/migitation against physical damage, and at the same time there are TONS of ways to reduce magicka dmg from CP points, traits, and so on.
On top of this, it is much easier to gain high weapon damage as a stam user, and you get the best defense too, with very cheap dodgeroll, sprint and so on.

End result is that a stam user will have greater offense, greater defense, greater mobility and be better in ALL areas compard to a magicka user.
Vigor is making stam users get a huge advantage in self healing as well, without the need of a resto staff slotted.

This can't wait until the next "major" update, this needs to be fixed NOW, because a very large amount of players WANTS to play a magicka build in pvp, but instead think of quitting (like me) because the imbalance is simply too much and have been unchanged for almost 2 months..

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Atleast give a word if you are taking this seriously and fixing it soon or not, because I'd like to know if its worth continue playing and paying a monthly fee for this game.

Mmm... wow. Let us see what we can do here. So... there is a bit too much hyperbole going on here. We should try and tone that down, as it generally invalidates one's arguments in the eyes of others. So, I'm hearing that you're concerned with your performance with a Magika build in the post 1.6 world. That is understandable, I came back to ESO and had to adjust my expectations a bit as well since when I left there were almost no people really running stam builds except a couple nb archers. Things have indeed changed.

Now, you did do a good job making a caveat caveat for Sorcerors with your argument of the poor state of magika. Not mentioning them would have certainly opened you up for much ridicule from the community, as they are considered some of the scarrier bursters in the game and.. hard to kill.

The statements regarding stam having greater defense is questionable, and will certainly be pointed out by others. Stamina builds are generally considered glass cannons. They have burst, with as you did rightly point out... limited resistance options as opposed to magika. Although for defense, magika builds are generally more sustainable and more defensive. Generally. Vigor is currently a bit of a moot point... as what.. 1% of the population pvping has access to it? They are talking about moving it down in the tree, which would be interesting. But as of now, almost no one has access to it... so.. yeah. Not really a real argument there. Almost all heals are magika based, which is one of the biggest weaknesses of stamina builds. Which is why Vigor is rather coveted I agree.

Now lets look at some good examples of players who do wonderful using Magika based builds in the current Meta. Go to youtube... and watch vidoes of Sypher, Xinthisis, Liberate, and many others... who utilize Magika builds just fine. Some of the hardest NB's I've ever fought, who were nearly impossible to kill and were destroying groups solo... were Magika. I've also seen magika templars doing just fine... (as fine as Templars in general do). And Magika DK's are still around too... feel free to watch videos of them. It's amazing what you can find, and perhaps new ideas you could incorporate into your play style if you only look.

So, how about taking the opportunity to go look about on the internet and find how you can succeed with your chosen play style, rather than trying to lower the opposing play styles to fit into your idealized meta?

Some stamina skills are completely ridiculous atm yes. Are stamina builds superior to magicka builds right now? In some cases yes.
Are magicka builds completely unviable? Heck no, you can still be really strong using magicka in any class.
Also, you should cut stamina users some slack. People have been complaining since launch that magicka was vastly superior over stamina, which was completely true, and they had to deal with that for many months. Now it's the other way around, and I'm sure it will turn the other way around in the future.

Only two superior stamina builds I know is rollerblade (dodge rolling nightblade) and Fossilize-Wrecking Blow-Leap-Execute DK [/quote]

haha great rollerblade

monkeymystic wrote: »

Stamina builds are currently superior compared to magicka builds across the board in PvP. The difference is so huge that players using a magicka build in PvP currently (except for sorcerers) are considered "Gimp".

There are very few defenses/migitation against physical damage, and at the same time there are TONS of ways to reduce magicka dmg from CP points, traits, and so on.
On top of this, it is much easier to gain high weapon damage as a stam user, and you get the best defense too, with very cheap dodgeroll, sprint and so on.

End result is that a stam user will have greater offense, greater defense, greater mobility and be better in ALL areas compard to a magicka user.
Vigor is making stam users get a huge advantage in self healing as well, without the need of a resto staff slotted.

This can't wait until the next "major" update, this needs to be fixed NOW, because a very large amount of players WANTS to play a magicka build in pvp, but instead think of quitting (like me) because the imbalance is simply too much and have been unchanged for almost 2 months..

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Atleast give a word if you are taking this seriously and fixing it soon or not, because I'd like to know if its worth continue playing and paying a monthly fee for this game.

Agreed

Wow. Just wow.

I'm so happy to read this, that it's not even funny.

Says the stamina-focused nightblade since launch player.

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Wow. Just wow.

I'm so happy to read this, that it's not even funny.

Says the stamina-focused nightblade since launch player.

Couldn't agree more. We got a year of uselessness. It's about time we're viable.

While I am happy for all of the long suffering stam builds out there, I have to say that it does feel like it came at the expense of everybody but the Sorcs on the magicka side. I have to laugh when I think of all the hand wringing about nerfed sorcs just before the 1.6 release. I had no clue what it was going to do to my magicka melee nb build. Quite simply it gutted it. Only thing I have going for my build right now is that I can chase down dodge rolling spam monkeys with my concealed weapon. I'm sure that will be "fixed" pretty soon though.

Also, there is no magicka nb build that hits like a truck. You might find a skilled player who can beat you but you are not getting burst down the same way a stam nb would wreck you with ambush, surprise attack or wrecking blow. It's no where close.

I'm having flashbacks to the time when Stamina users had the exact same problem.

You had to run around in cloth with a destruction staff or it was pointless.

monkeymystic wrote: »

Stamina builds are currently superior compared to magicka builds across the board in PvP. The difference is so huge that players using a magicka build in PvP currently (except for sorcerers) are considered "Gimp".

There are very few defenses/migitation against physical damage, and at the same time there are TONS of ways to reduce magicka dmg from CP points, traits, and so on.
On top of this, it is much easier to gain high weapon damage as a stam user, and you get the best defense too, with very cheap dodgeroll, sprint and so on.

End result is that a stam user will have greater offense, greater defense, greater mobility and be better in ALL areas compard to a magicka user.
Vigor is making stam users get a huge advantage in self healing as well, without the need of a resto staff slotted.

This can't wait until the next "major" update, this needs to be fixed NOW, because a very large amount of players WANTS to play a magicka build in pvp, but instead think of quitting (like me) because the imbalance is simply too much and have been unchanged for almost 2 months..

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Atleast give a word if you are taking this seriously and fixing it soon or not, because I'd like to know if its worth continue playing and paying a monthly fee for this game.

I agree.

At least nobody is tanking in LA anymore

I've been Stamina build since I started playing....since last black friday. Forget PvP a moment, think PvE.

Think how hard it was for me to take on 3+ mobs at once with my 2-Weapons, only to watch some sorc pass by with his daedric pets WRECK the whole mob group and the ones after without even breaking a sweat.

I have gotten better since prior 1.6, partly because I had no choice but to be half Stam half Magicka. 1.6 arrives, I finally have a shot at this. The few people I see when I quest are still magicka users, still WRECK everything and quite honestly I cannot blame them for enjoying tossing fireballs all over the place.

Most Stamina is close ranged combat (all but Bows really) Most Magi is ranged as far as I know. You want to beat Stam with Magi, Do not stay in it's face, or anywhere near it, you guys have an ability for that no?

Weird how people complained magicka builds were op and now stamina builds are op lol

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