You can dodge manti's heavy attack, then it won't place a second dot on you (along with a dot after big aoe). Also dodge all circles that make you jump. 31k resist is fine, tho you can add 1k more (e.g. with nirnhoned part), because the dot's damage depends on spell resist.

And even NB can tank it well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGn_NOghKlk

P.S. Magma Armor ult if in trouble!

caperon wrote: »

@Jules

With 3 stat food i have:
12.5k magicka
30k hp (I could have some more with estructured entropy or + atribute points, I have 38 in hp)
17k stam

I used this skills:
Pierce armor
Inner fire (im gonna change this for structured entropy or hardened armor)
Heroic slash 15% dmg reduction (does it afect the multiple areas of the boss?) + ultimate regen
GDB
Defensive stance

Maybe Ignious shield would be good for more panic buttons.

I would not dodge. Ever. Waste of stam. When thrown up with little circles, heals need to keep BOL up on you. If a spear is placed on you, I'd continue blocking and move out of it. Spears should never be placed on you anyway. And yes. Definitely use igneous, it will buff your GDB. Hardened armor > structured entropy for tanks.

Don't slot something for ult regen. Tanks have good ult regen post 1.6. On par w dps so its a waste of the slot.

Also I make sure I have the magicka morph of inner fire (inner rage?) but it depends on which pool you use more for tanking. As a dk I tend to use more magicka for abilities for damage mit and stam just for blocking/dodging. I never ever ever run out of stam. I'm always at 97%+ percent unless directly after a heavy attack. Magicka is more the pool I have to manage wisely. But it's just something you have to decide for yourself. Mantikora is all about managing your resources, not losing taunt, damage mitigation and good heals keeping you up.

EDIT: after looking at his video it looks like as a nb he doesn't have an issue. Dk tanking will be different but let me know how the dodging of the heavy leaves you on resources. If it doesn't affect it too much, it may be worth it to help out your healers and avoid the bleed. If you find you get too low on stam with doing that, I know for sure it can be copped and healed through.

andy.s wrote: »

Our DK Tank doesn't have stamina issues with dodging "jumping circles" and heavy attacks. Most dangerous combos are: catch a heavy attack while jumping & catch a heavy attack and go down without a healer, but with double bleeding. Also a healer can throw a spear for stamina, it will save him more magicka, than healing a jumping tank with bleeding

Yeah we always use magma when tank gets sucked down. Shouldn't need it at any other point if healers are good. Dks don't seem to have a problem w the double bleed once incoming dmg capped at 3%.

I'll try dodging the heavies next time I tank (I usually dps) and see how it goes. Could work as long as resources are ok. I'm down for putting less strain on healers. But I never have a problem with copping circles that pop you though. Never get a heavy attack while he's doing that and heals keep me up fine. Too much dodging I feel leaves you open to copping attacks / being caught without block up.

After reading this sugestions, ill try tonight with this:

5hist
5 footman
2 alessia

With 3 stat food:
12.5k magicka
30k hp
17k stam

31200 magic resist (37+ with hardened armor, need to recraft my shields to something not nirnhoned, wnt hurt in this fight i guess)
27400 physical resist (32500 with hardened armor)

Atributes
38 in health
23 stamina (I could get more life from here)

This skills on main bar:
Pierce armor
Hardened armor
Igneous shield
GDB
Defensive stance

Magma armor

Initial batle plan:
Dodge heavy atacks - Depending on stamina may need to ask my healers to use spears or directlly spam heals (not dodge on low sta)
Tri pots on cd if resources are empty enought.
Hardened armor up (2500 magicka every 20s, leaves me with 3000 magicka each 20 seconds to spare)
Panic buton 1: igneous shield + GDB
Panic buton 2: Magma armor
Pray

Ty all, ill report the results.

Hi there, last night went much better. We managed to do more than 1 rotation (spears, knockbacks, serpent...) and I died mostly because 1 or 2 healers were dead at a bad time and i didnt have my ult. We are still learning (as a group) each boss phase so we focus in follow mechanics, correct positioning, everyone's equipement and all that, so we are not really ressing anyone, but we are improving. Maybe half of the raid is people who restarted the game with the B2P.

Wisler89 wrote: »

A few infos from my side (I'm a dd, but I think I know what our tanks are doing):
Both tanks use v10 tri-bufffood and don't spend a single enchantment or attribute point in Stamina, Magicka is way more important. Stats are 29-31k life, 12-13k Stamina and 15-16k Magicka.
Skills: Pierce Armor, Heroic Slash (Morph doesn't matter here), Defensive Posture, GDB, Hardend Armor, Magma Armor
Second Bar is the exact same except the taunt is from the undaunted (the Magicka Morph is generally better here)
Always use Magma Armor when the Black Hole thingy appears, even if you aren't pulled down, makes it easier to survive.
You have to use GDB quite often, especially if you fight against the shadow of the serpent. Never ever stop blocking and don't ever swap weapons (there is a short moment where block isn't active if you do and we had quite a few wipes because of it). Always have hardend Armor active.
Try to use Engine Guardian Set from the Undaunted Dailies, it is quite powerful for tanks.
Once you have a little practice you can tank the shadow of the serpent without a dedicated healer, you will only need a nightblade with Funnel Health.
If you are tanking the shadow of the serpent, never move, the powerful cleave deals about 15-20k damage (meaning it shouldn't kill you), just use GDB to heal yourself up to about 80% life, the rest will come from Funnel Health.

After sloting my skills I realized i put more atribute points in hp than really needed, i sit right now (with tri stat food) at 32.3k hp, 12.5k mag, 15k sta. I come from an stamina build (tank and dps), so i allways focused more on stamina, but changing to magicka has been on the back of my mind for some time, maybe ill give a try to have more resources for 1 more igneous shield or GDB in case of panic. I'd need maybe change my green championt points, i have all in stamina regen and cost reduction...

We tried to save magma armor for the moment the serpent's shadow dies and everyone gets the DOT, to use the sinergy because some people died when going back to their positions after the green areas in the ground, but I felt forced many times to use it before because i was at around 10k life without magicka or tri pots and felt that next DOT tick would kill me, so basically i use it as a panic button. Maybe when everyone's follow mechanics correctly healers will be less stressed and will be able to keep me toped up easily.

Swaping weapons thing was learned the hard way . Now i only taunt the boss, swap from far and keep the weapon unless im gona lose taunt and can't reach the boss.

I went like 10 times to the mechanical spider, still no luck i have to keep going, i know is very good for tanks and i have the shoulder (heavy impenetrable, not bad i guess) already.

I don't tank the serpent unless i fall by mistake, but i think is no real problem because dps assigned for that fight are good and dies fast enought. The funnel health idea seems interesting, ill propose it. Serpent tank is a templar, i guess is pretty similar for him.

Ty all for your advices, variations and tips, i hope someday ill post here our succes in Sanctum Ophidian. Our raid leader streams in twitch our raids, maybe when we are not terribad ill post the link and times

Hi there,

WE DID IT



I'm the bride

Yesterday we killed Manticore for 1st time (I was not there), today we killed it again and got till the last boss, we did a 3 tries learning and we were about to call the day when someone suggested another run. We wiped, managed to kill the manticore, died in the bridge, died in some random way like falling and finally we managed to arrive to last boss and killed him at 2nd try.

I tank the manticore blocking, changed some of my champion points to increase healing and changed Green dragon blood for Coagulating blood for still more increased healing recived and now i dont die unles i'm comboed with heavy atack + knockup, our healers ofc improved with practice.

Ty to your advices and ty to my guild,"La Guardia de la Noche".