Probably not VR1-6 but I could see reason for a pre-VR10 only campaign.
Locking out all the Uber-pimped end-game builds to level the playing field a little more.... yes, I could sign that.

Another alternative could be making a campaign based on alliance war rank rather then vr lvl.
Could be restricted to players lower then Lieutenant (lvl 17, lvl 8 support/assault unlocks at lvl 18). These players would not have access to combat frenzy or vigor. If alliance war ranks became account wide it would mean these players would also be inexperienced at pvp.

Also there is a low chance of getting farmed for AP, as those types of players have most likely already earned well over 2393600 AP.

After being killed in 2 hits by a v14 on my v8, several times, (how the hell does that happen...) I strongly think there should be a v1-10 campaing. Its very discouraging to die without being able to do anything about it like that.

i vote for vr1-vr13 campaign will be perfect. let alone that vr14 only

It was a good idea for sub 50's, and I think a good idea here, too. Not sure where the split should be (VR1 to VRx), but I thin it is a good idea.

Dont do the ”in my time things where harder” cause I have played in those times where everything was *** up and still managed to do a lot in cyrodill, that has nothing to do with the topic, in the forums players discuss to make the game better than it is, if we didnt do that the game would be the same as when it launched and no one wants that lol

The ”level up” doesnt make sense either, the idea of cyrodill is so that everyone can enter whenever they want no matter what their lvl is, and some people, like me, like to take a break from the pve and go to pvp.

On other hand nobody would HAVE to play in the, lets say randomly, v1-10 campaing, it would be, as the other campaings, an option so..

Didnt say its impossible to play against v14 either, its just not as enjoyable as it is to play against others among your same lvl because yes, the lvl does a lot of difference.

Klauen wrote: »

Dont do the ”in my time things where harder” cause I have played in those times where everything was *** up and still managed to do a lot in cyrodill, that has nothing to do with the topic, in the forums players discuss to make the game better than it is, if we didnt do that the game would be the same as when it launched and no one wants that lol

The ”level up” doesnt make sense either, the idea of cyrodill is so that everyone can enter whenever they want no matter what their lvl is, and some people, like me, like to take a break from the pve and go to pvp.

On other hand nobody would HAVE to play in the, lets say randomly, v1-10 campaing, it would be, as the other campaings, an option so..

Didnt say its impossible to play against v14 either, its just not as enjoyable as it is to play against others among your same lvl because yes, the lvl does a lot of difference.

First off, it does have something to do with the topic. Never before have players had it easier than now. That said, stop f*cking whining (all of you) and man up. Level gaps are not a problem; bad decisions, poor awareness, and a lack of know-how are real problems.

The "level up" does make sense. IF you are using it as a crutch, and mind you, every crybaby in these particular discussions does, stop whining and go level. IF that is the reason you are dying so much, fix it, level up. I mean for f*cks sake, it is not hard to level. But no... it's much easier to whine and cry about how unfair it is to go head to head with a higher level player. Sorry this crap doesn't work for me. I have had vr1 alts kill vr14 players. I know how to play my class and I know how to gear it. More importantly I don't play half-ass and expect to do well. Currently you can play the game however you like with the worst skills, worst gear, unleveled skills and progress. What you can't do is queue into a vet Cyrodiil campaign and expect to do well or survive. Either play right, or stop complaining. I am not talking to you in general but those who keep whining about level gaps. It's soggy and weak.

As you mention v1-10 campaign, we already have enough campaigns as it is. Newsflash, ESO is a dying game and went Free To Play in less than a year. ESO lost the majority of it's subscriptions in the first 3 months. A lot of people came back last month yes, a lot of people also see that some of the problems that existed since pts beta are still in game and quit yet again. That said, we don't need more campaigns to further imbalance the factions in cyrodiil. If you have been playing since launch like you claim, you would know for example that DC (the lowest pop faction) pretty much made a mass exodus to Chillrend. EP mass horde Thorn into a bloody pulp and still have the numbers to contend on other campaigns. AD.

You are not the only person in this thread. Notice I did not quote you when I posted. That is because I was responding to everyone of this mindset. Please explain to me how much advantage a vr14 has over a vr5? I mean aside from Undaunted sets? Because let's be honest, most of the gear choices are crafted or sets that have lower level vr requirements, Shadow Walker for example (vr1-14). The stat difference between a vr14 and lower level vr is not so great that it makes a huge difference. Unless you are playing a magicka based class that relies on a shield which in turn relies on magicka (Sorc). Either way, this welfare mentality where people don't need to work for their success is a heaping pile. Also VR14's get 2shot all the damn time. I do it to people on my nightblade, even a successful Sorc like @cozmon3c_ESO showed in his video him being 2 shot off a horse before he knew what hit him. He didn't even have time to react and he has some of the best sorc gear in the game. These things happen, particularly when you get caught unaware.

Again, why is it I (or others) don't have these same issues (let alone create threads to whine about it) on my new alt while playing in Thornblade with the EP zerg ball? If I did, I certainly wouldn't log on the forum, create a thread a complain. I would level up. This welfare mentality of entitlement is absurd.

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I mean for crying out loud, I helped a friend get emperor last year who was not even vr1. In fact I believe he was in his 40s on a Sorc. He was in Cyro competing against vr12s, killing them, dying to them, it didn't matter. If he can endure an Emp grind... you really have nothing to whine about.

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No I havent been playing since launch, i have left and now returned but I have experienced the worst things that happened to pvp, all imbalances etc.

Didnt say its impossible to fight against a higher lvl, but how it is now i see a lot of v14 focusing lower lvls because they know they are a lot weaker and can kill them fast.

If you are telling me that even a v14 gets 2 shotted then thats the major problem, im totally against 1-2 shot mecanics as I think theres no skill involved (not talking about ganking here)

I don't think it's that simple where people are tab targeting and fishing for lowbies. PvP is way too fast and dynamic for that. Unless you are in some type of small-scale slow paced skirmish, people will not be playing duck duck goose with targets. Most large fights people are taking out key targets (if they are smart). Whethter it's a healer or someone half dead, or someone who over-extended, level is rarely the reason. From a low level players perspective it might seem like they are getting picked on, but I can assure you as a vr14, I often feel like I have just dropped the soap in a prison shower.

I disagree about the 2 shotting thing being a problem because it usually is a gank and when it's not it has a lot to do with exploiting a players lack of gear or effort. More often than not it's someone waylaying from stealth. Whether it be snipe or uppercut, it's fine by me. It's just part of the game. There are various ways to crazy damage, whether it be magicka, ults, gear procs, or Stam. The one common denominator though seems to be the people crying about something being "too strong" or "unfair." I am not talking about you right now, just speaking in general. Someone goes on a dying spree to a particular type of playstyle or class, that playstyle or class now becomes broken or op. Clearly the victim is good and makes sound decisions and never plays half ass, no, not him. Anyhow, that is the pattern usually seen on these forums. Again, not picking on you, just speaking in general.

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Another alternative could be making a campaign based on alliance war rank rather then vr lvl.
Could be restricted to players lower then Lieutenant (lvl 17, lvl 8 support/assault unlocks at lvl 18). These players would not have access to combat frenzy or vigor. If alliance war ranks became account wide it would mean these players would also be inexperienced at pvp.

Also there is a low chance of getting farmed for AP, as those types of players have most likely already earned well over 2393600 AP.

I like this because Rank dictates effectiveness and ability over level for the most part. Barring that, throw all the vr14s into one campaign.

I heavily support this. It sucks I have to wait until the highest rank in the game after BB to play PvP.

heck I would even break my "no more PvP vow" just to give a campaign like this a shot.

I hit VR1 on my first toon on the US server yesterday and have tried a couple of short sessions on Chillrend. Whilst leveling I played a lot on the 7day non Vet campaign.

I have to say it's a big culture shock moving from a level 40+ on Blackwater to a VR1 on Chillrend. The most obvious being health, on the lowbie campaign I had 27k and on the regular I have 17k in current gear. The damage is higher on the regular campaign so TTK me is much lower. For example in Blackwater if you get ganked you're down to 30-50% health and you're probably losing the fight but there's some hope. In Chillrend if you're ganked you're dead. My first death as a VR1 was a 10k hit followed by a 10k hit within 1sec from a Nightblade who picked me out of a group of 6 who were chasing one of his friends.

The next thing I noticed was the lag in maybe 75hours of play on Blackwater I had virtually no lag. In Chillrend in maybe 2hours total play I've been lagged out of the game twice, had my latency jump to 3000+ms for a couple of minutes and had several other occasions where my abilities simply didn't activate.

So assuming the lag issues were just me picking a bad time to play and that was the exception rather than the rule and focusing on what I can do to make PVP fun for me again. (Blackwater was a lot of fun but I don't want to roll another toon just to play PVP).

Suggestions given to others in this thread are Level Up, Gear up, Learn to Play.

Level Up.
I'm a slow leveler so getting to VR14 would take me 150-200 hours or about 3-4 months without PVP.

Gear Up.
Currently I can craft up to 3-4 trait armor sets but I wouldn't want to improve them past blue quality since I'll be replacing it every 3-4 Vet ranks. I might try to gear more for survivabilty rather than effective dps. Heavy armor magika Templar build workable?

Learn To Play
Always am.

Plan B
Become a siege monkey with a resto staff and try to stay inside keeps on the back line or in the middle of a zerg.

Bottom line is that the thread was started by someone who went from having fun to not having fun in PVP when they out leveled the non Vet campaign and suggested a solution. I can empathize since I'm currently going through the same thing. I'll try tweaking my build and changing my gear and just sucking it up and pay my dues in the brutal world of PVP, but then I'm stubborn, many more will just give up and may never try it again. We all want more people to PVP and they're not going to if they don't enjoy it.

I think there needs to be an easier transition from the non Vet campaign to the regular ones but I don't think another campaign would be the answer since I'm not sure it would be sufficiently populated. My solution would be a simple health boost based on level. The closer to VR14 you got the less free health you got eg. VR1 gets +13k VR14 gets +0. (numbers need more thought)