Justice System...why!?

Araxleon · April 2015

Listen I love it, its great when it works... but I have dealt with sooo many bugs with this system its costing me a fortune...
I have stated in the past to zos how if you enter a bank you are destined to die (guards aggro and you cannot leave) and how some wayshrine have guards that kill you at loading screens...
just now at this very moment, I lost gold again because some random loading screen happen when I was sneaking around a guard and guess what? when it finished I died and lost gold...
you guys returned my gold back to me due to the previous issues...now 2 weeks to 3 weeks pass I come back, get a random loading screen and die to a guard (I wasnt even in combat with the guard prior)

joshisanonymous · April 2015

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

Araxleon · April 2015

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

Araxleon · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

I didn't even see the guard prior
(I have lost ALOT of money due to guards that my own fault and being caught I accepted that, and they only returned my gold for when I died from that issue but when I die due to this its annoying)

joshisanonymous · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

You misunderstood me. I mean you had a bounty in the first place. Try not to let that happen.

lihentian · April 2015

the best way to do it is
1) log off and come back later
2) go to your fence and pay your bounty there.. you can get 40% off with trait.

Araxleon · April 2015

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

You misunderstood me. I mean you had a bounty in the first place. Try not to let that happen.

I had a 1mil bounty prior to taking a break im at 800k ish now.
I just embraced the bounty and will just deal with it, but are these the consequences of having a bounty? Losing my gold for me trying to go speed run thieving is one thing... losing my gold due to loading screen is another.

ThePonzzz · April 2015

If you're having random loading screens, drop your graphical settings. Because you don't get any if your rig can run the game properly (outside Cyrodiil).

Nestor · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

I have stated in the past to zos how if you enter a bank you are destined to die (guards aggro and you cannot leave)

Two days ago I was in the bank in Davon's Watch. Someone knicked something from the trunk in the back and was detained by the guard, they chose to flee. They went through the door, broke a CC or two and made it to the Refuge (which is conveniently behind the bank) while the guards were chasing them. I followed this player the entire way.

Now, they may not have been in actual combat when going through the door, but they certainly escaped from the bank while being pursued.

However, if you know you have a Bounty, why would you go into a bank? And if you are in a bank, be more careful when your stealing things. There are so many other places to steal things from, don't pick the most heavily guarded location in the game if you don't want to risk getting caught or killed.

Araxleon · April 2015

Nestor wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

I have stated in the past to zos how if you enter a bank you are destined to die (guards aggro and you cannot leave)

Two days ago I was in the bank in Davon's Watch. Someone knicked something from the trunk in the back and was detained by the guard, they chose to flee. They went through the door, broke a CC or two and made it to the Refuge (which is conveniently behind the bank) while the guards were chasing them. I followed this player the entire way.

Now, they may not have been in actual combat when going through the door, but they certainly escaped from the bank while being pursued.

However, if you know you have a Bounty, why would you go into a bank? And if you are in a bank, be more careful when your stealing things. There are so many other places to steal things from, don't pick the most heavily guarded location in the game if you don't want to risk getting caught or killed.

ZOS already repaid my gold for the bank/wayshrine issue... if the guard aggros you cannot escape (if its too small) I was in the rift as an example and it was a mistake, anyway I already got repaid for that I was just stating how thats still an issue and how certain wayshrines have guards that will kill you via loading screen.

Araxleon · April 2015

ThePonzzz wrote: »

If you're having random loading screens, drop your graphical settings. Because you don't get any if your rig can run the game properly (outside Cyrodiil).

I run perfect in cyrodill and almost never get them (unless the server crashes) it was just random (I know lots of people that get it randomly there is a post zos stated about it somewhere) anyway, I just think dying for reasons like these are cheap

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Honest question...
Do you understand how this system works?
Are you aware that you can not break the law?
You can turn off NPC dmg.

I ask because you point out things as broken or bugged that are by design. Loading..well that can be many things user related or server side.

But in general your points or complaints are around the results of your choice to break the laws and frustration around the consequences of such behavior.

joshisanonymous · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

You misunderstood me. I mean you had a bounty in the first place. Try not to let that happen.

I had a 1mil bounty prior to taking a break im at 800k ish now.
I just embraced the bounty and will just deal with it, but are these the consequences of having a bounty? Losing my gold for me trying to go speed run thieving is one thing... losing my gold due to loading screen is another.

One million gold??? Are you running around killing everyone on site? I mean, that's fine, if that's how you want to play, but it seems a bit absurd to me for you to complain about losing gold in that situation, whether it be due to loading screens or not. You've basically decided that you wanted to be a serious serious criminal, who has no intention of hiding their crimes, and now you're upset that you can die in banks and from loading screens pop up in towns. Hell, I don't like being in towns at all even if I have a very minor bounty, let alone if I'm kill on sight (which I basically never am because it's really not hard to avoid getting to that point). You should maybe consider fence towns as the only towns you can ever go to, or maybe stop carrying around gold.

Araxleon · April 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Honest question...
Do you understand how this system works?

I ask because you point out things as broken or bugged that are by design. Loading..well that can be many things user related or server side.

But in general your points or complaints are around the results of your choice to break the laws and frustration around the consequences of such behavior.

Just to clarify, ZOS DID SAY THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND DID RETURN MY LOST GOLD.
I have lost gold due to making many mistakes and understand the consequences(that is a whole different story), my point is being killed by certain things that are *untested* truly my fault? are you telling me that I deserve to die at a wayshrine while loading in? Are you saying that if a random load screen happens while im sneaking through the town (unseen) and then caught and killed because of it is fair?

Araxleon · April 2015

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Maybeee.. don't get caught stealing in the first place?

I was not caught. I was on a road *sneaking* I have a bounty natually I will be in sneak. Now a random loading screen pops up (and that road is the pathway route a guard goes by) and when its finished im dead... I was never caught, literally random loading screen and I get killed

You misunderstood me. I mean you had a bounty in the first place. Try not to let that happen.

I had a 1mil bounty prior to taking a break im at 800k ish now.
I just embraced the bounty and will just deal with it, but are these the consequences of having a bounty? Losing my gold for me trying to go speed run thieving is one thing... losing my gold due to loading screen is another.

One million gold??? Are you running around killing everyone on site? I mean, that's fine, if that's how you want to play, but it seems a bit absurd to me for you to complain about losing gold in that situation, whether it be due to loading screens or not. You've basically decided that you wanted to be a serious serious criminal, who has no intention of hiding their crimes, and now you're upset that you can die in banks and from loading screens pop up in towns. Hell, I don't like being in towns at all even if I have a very minor bounty, let alone if I'm kill on sight (which I basically never am because it's really not hard to avoid getting to that point). You should maybe consider fence towns as the only towns you can ever go to, or maybe stop carrying around gold.

I know, I have lost around 100k legit and im fine with that I deserve it xD my complaint is not even the gold to be completely honest... im tired of dying from untested issues.

(I do not care if I get killed by a guard in a bank, but your locked INSIDE with him and cannot leave its like this with many things... mages guilds fighter guilds)

vovus69 · April 2015

Most probably you have network issue when this loading screen is coming, or your machine is loaded with other stuff and there is not enough CPU to process the change in the world. This is when I see the loading screens. I hope you are not playing on mac with time machine on. This is what will kill you - when time machine will start at arbitrary time and all CPU will go that way.

Araxleon · April 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Most probably you have network issue when this loading screen is coming, or your machine is loaded with other stuff and there is not enough CPU to process the change in the world. This is when I see the loading screens. I hope you are not playing on mac with time machine on. This is what will kill you - when time machine will start at arbitrary time and all CPU will go that way.

nah I just came outta thornblade, maybe related to that? (from thorn to reapers march)

vovus69 · April 2015

could be. Usually it is when system is trying to load up absolutely new area - this is the time of peak load...

Araxleon · April 2015

I just find it a bit silly people actually think becuase you have a bounty, you deserve you die loading in from wayshrine and being trapped in a location (bank as an example) or random loading screens... I will probably make a video to better explain and show all the bugs with it, but then again ZOS may take it down and tell me to email it to them instead.

LegendaryMage · April 2015

@Araxleon why don't you just duel the guards and kill them.

edit: Fear them through the floor like you did with me last time lol

eliisra · April 2015

Best is when you're trying to interact with a vendor or craft-table and out of nowhere you catch hold of some lady's melons. Lady gets mad because fruit and you have to kill her to make it stop. All I wanted to was repair my armor

Or when I'm changing to tank gear outside of the Undaunted Enclave, use one heal to get full hp, than boom 600 bounty and instagibb'ed by guard, because there was a fugitive fighting in my visual dead angle.

I really love the justice system btw. But due to how sluggish, laggy and unresponsive ESO can be, it sometimes creates a bit of frustration. This especially with the target system in cities with bad performance. Some improvements could be made.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Honest question...
Do you understand how this system works?

I ask because you point out things as broken or bugged that are by design. Loading..well that can be many things user related or server side.

But in general your points or complaints are around the results of your choice to break the laws and frustration around the consequences of such behavior.

Just to clarify, ZOS DID SAY THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND DID RETURN MY LOST GOLD.
I have lost gold due to making many mistakes and understand the consequences(that is a whole different story), my point is being killed by certain things that are *untested* truly my fault? are you telling me that I deserve to die at a wayshrine while loading in? Are you saying that if a random load screen happens while im sneaking through the town (unseen) and then caught and killed because of it is fair?

If you have a bounty....Yes I'm saying you deserve to die, be arrested or whatever the appropriate consequence that applies in this system.

If not, we all would just go around creating havoc.

*Maybe you're leaving out details because when I read your comments, this is all by design.
The fence is set up in areas that allow you to avoid people, guards...law

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

I just find it a bit silly people actually think becuase you have a bounty, you deserve you die loading in from wayshrine and being trapped in a location (bank as an example) or random loading screens... I will probably make a video to better explain and show all the bugs with it, but then again ZOS may take it down and tell me to email it to them instead.

If you are "wanted" and you "choose" to place your character, while playing on a server based game, anywhere that a guard could pass, why would you expect other outcomes?

Loading screens due to whatever reason isn't any excuse to why a player is near a guard with a bounty that they know they have.

Obscure · April 2015

Step 1: Keep Gold in the Bank
Step 2: Only use the Hallow City or Cyrodiil to access your banking and all merchant/crafting needs.
Step 3: Break any and all laws you see fit, there is no Justice, just Guard Agro
Step 4: Profit - you can make WAY more money stealing stuff and fencing it than you'll likely ever lose to repair bills from being killed by the guards.

The whole system is a joke. Only really punishes players below level 10 who can't yet access Cyrodiil. Once you can, there's no tangible consequence for anything to include mass murder.

Tarukmockto · April 2015

The Justice system is okay with me, however there are a few issues with it. 50 Fence interactions a day just isn't enough. Especially when I'm laundering mats I've pilfered. It should count each stack as an item, not every piece in the stack as individual items.

The other thing that really annoys me is when I get caught while I'm still hidden.

I stare at that eyeball when I'm sneaking around and will NEVER take anything if it's not shut, as in hidden. There is that micro second delay when it stills says hidden, but really the system has moved you into detected and not updated the visual feedback yet where you get caught.

I think the tie should go to the player, not the game. There should be a few micro-seconds delay to account for this. If you have hit R to steal something, there should be a few micro-seconds after detection for the game to check for input from the player before making the decision you are caught.

Siliconhobbit_ESO · April 2015

Its simple. You have a problem.

#1 Problem: You are a horrible thief.
#1 Solution: Find a new profession

If you insist on continuing in this line of work, might I suggest 2 things:

#1 STOP GETTING CAUGHT

if you get caught (this refers back to Problem #1)

#2 PAY OFF YOUR BOUNTY

or

#3 Log off the game until your bounty disappears.

In ANY of the above cases, you are still a horrible thief. Find a new profession.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

You can as others have said, turn off the friendly fire option in settings, and also go to Coldharbour or PvP as there is no Justice system in play there, or alternatively go offline, or into one of the refuges.

The bounty accrued will decay over time, or there are skill points you can put into lessening the impact of the gold you have to pay to clear your bounty to fence or guard.

Might I suggest that you visit fence first, sell or launder and travel to friend in PvP or something, or just pay it off hehe:P

Araxleon · April 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Honest question...
Do you understand how this system works?

I ask because you point out things as broken or bugged that are by design. Loading..well that can be many things user related or server side.

But in general your points or complaints are around the results of your choice to break the laws and frustration around the consequences of such behavior.

Just to clarify, ZOS DID SAY THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND DID RETURN MY LOST GOLD.
I have lost gold due to making many mistakes and understand the consequences(that is a whole different story), my point is being killed by certain things that are *untested* truly my fault? are you telling me that I deserve to die at a wayshrine while loading in? Are you saying that if a random load screen happens while im sneaking through the town (unseen) and then caught and killed because of it is fair?

If you have a bounty....Yes I'm saying you deserve to die, be arrested or whatever the appropriate consequence that applies in this system.

If not, we all would just go around creating havoc.

*Maybe you're leaving out details because when I read your comments, this is all by design.
The fence is set up in areas that allow you to avoid people, guards...law

You guys know im talking about the method of death right? Not a single person has justified why people derserve to die on loading screens (dying during the wayshrine load) and being stuck in a location I cannot leave... Seriously... I know how the system works... If your gonna comment read... Justify dying during wayshrine to wayshrine load screen. Justify entering the mages guild and being stuck, not allowed to leave due to combat.

Get destroyed by 1v30 guards is more fair then dying while zoning in. Thats my point, everyone here that has commented is CORRECT if this was a normal case.... Which is isnt unless you guys honestly believe people with bounties should under un-fair circumstances, (failing an escape
Being outnumbered fall damage etc etc are all FAIR just to clarify)

Araxleon · April 2015

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Its simple. You have a problem.

#1 Problem: You are a horrible thief.
#1 Solution: Find a new profession

If you insist on continuing in this line of work, might I suggest 2 things:

#1 STOP GETTING CAUGHT

if you get caught (this refers back to Problem #1)

#2 PAY OFF YOUR BOUNTY

or

#3 Log off the game until your bounty disappears.

In ANY of the above cases, you are still a horrible thief. Find a new profession.

Lmao do you even read?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Honest question...
Do you understand how this system works?

I ask because you point out things as broken or bugged that are by design. Loading..well that can be many things user related or server side.

But in general your points or complaints are around the results of your choice to break the laws and frustration around the consequences of such behavior.

Just to clarify, ZOS DID SAY THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND DID RETURN MY LOST GOLD.
I have lost gold due to making many mistakes and understand the consequences(that is a whole different story), my point is being killed by certain things that are *untested* truly my fault? are you telling me that I deserve to die at a wayshrine while loading in? Are you saying that if a random load screen happens while im sneaking through the town (unseen) and then caught and killed because of it is fair?

If you have a bounty....Yes I'm saying you deserve to die, be arrested or whatever the appropriate consequence that applies in this system.

If not, we all would just go around creating havoc.

*Maybe you're leaving out details because when I read your comments, this is all by design.
The fence is set up in areas that allow you to avoid people, guards...law

You guys know im talking about the method of death right? Not a single person has justified why people derserve to die on loading screens (dying during the wayshrine load) and being stuck in a location I cannot leave... Seriously... I know how the system works... If your gonna comment read... Justify dying during wayshrine to wayshrine load screen. Justify entering the mages guild and being stuck, not allowed to leave due to combat.

Get destroyed by 1v30 guards is more fair then dying while zoning in. Thats my point, everyone here that has commented is CORRECT if this was a normal case.... Which is isnt unless you guys honestly believe people with bounties should under un-fair circumstances, (failing an escape
Being outnumbered fall damage etc etc are all FAIR just to clarify)

-If you have a bounty and knowingly port anywhere that is you're own fault.
Sorry but that is not logical behavior for someone intentionally and continually breaking the law.

If this were not a game and you chose this type of behavior, for sure you wouldn't use public transportation or drive and park at places where law enforcement reside.
Or even better, if someone wanted to kill you, you would NEVER go near them if you knew they wanted and intended on killing you especially when they have the advantage.

Its poor decisions making...sorry, its not the game

This is how life works....Are you 18 or older? (serious question)

Araxleon · April 2015

I think we have some confusion this is not happening at major cities this is happening even in some small towns (Im pretty sure I never said major cities,. Other than the bank issue)... ZOS already told me it was an issue so I know it will be getting fixed. How am I suppose to know certain locations are bad luck of the draw? And it isnt like i teleported i arrive and then die, I die during the load screen which mainly isnt fair (not because of my rig the load is quick its just close the pathway of guard at certain times). You act like what you said is part of the system ZOS never stated that was a thing and this issue only happens in few town greenshade and akir desert (however you spell it) now lets say your correct explain why zos returned to me 80k I lost due to these issues. On a final note you dont seem to want to debate just state im wrong period which is a bit childish.

(Its not every wayshrine nor a certain wayshrine 24/7 just when a guard is near it due to the path it takes, also I port to stormhaven/craglorn/deshaan and many more just fine inside the city and never die,)