my response to the request for feedback

SIN-X · April 2015

So some players as you know have a relationship with Zeni that allows communication for guild functions, gameplay feedback etc...Where a large part of that group is very yes master to any idea Zeni wants to move forward with I wanted to share my response to the whole community as well.

This is the list I have. It is intended as constructive and in no way an attack or shame against any player or Zenimax.

1. use more of the staff to push content and less for the crown store development for now.
2. Invest in a better server system as the current ones are either poorly maintained of very low quality. ( the lag spikes need to be fixed asap its a year in and the most common response I hear from most who report this is a response of it must be on your end. If you want players to come and stay this is a must.

3.The addition of crafting styles to the store warrants a removal of the achievements for obtaining them. (you NEVER sell achievements in the game nor do you add collection achievements that are only obtainable thru store purchases or gift codes i.e mounts/pets. It is great to sale them and I support the ability to buy them as long as its Vanity and awards NO achievement points or dyes.

4.PVP- Well its time to add some content there as many of the long term players hang on to that to try to stay interested while new PVE content is released.
Even just a few small additions would give them some show of acknowledgment.

5. Release the intent for the removal of veteran ranks. We all know that a change is coming there although many to include myself don't believe its possible to set everyone to 50. Release the information so players know ahead of time if there gear will be scaled down or if there will be additional regular ranks added to this system. Many can remember the dismay and large player base that left during the champ system and the mistrust with the game after the issue. Lets try to avoid this for the fourth time.

6.DLC- Before this one gets outta hand lets go ahead and not mess this up. It was said that players will be able to go into the new areas with friends and guildies to allow for more time with friends. IT MUST SCALE DOWN TO THE LOWEST MEMBER OF THE GROUP!!!! If my v14 groups with my buddys lvl12 all loot should be lvl 12. It is one thing to be helpful with grouping but yet another to place built in exploits. Also as this is additional content it any instances run there that would award achievements should be to scale on what is now a Vet Dungeon.

7. Hire some game designers with a solid history of success with mmos, Not insulting anyone but the truth is some players get a little annoyed when there is major issues and every other ESO LIVE brings to light yet another fairly new (less than 10 years in development) dev that seems more unsure about what is really in the works.If you want this game to be the most it can be you WILL need to invest more in it.----see #2

8.STAND BY YOUR WORK.....I have played this game since beta and have done cadwells quests multiple times. You made a game , A GOOD game and it should be played as intended. It is my belief that new DLC content and even craglorn should require completion of the cadwells quest line just as and ep cannot go to DC or AD areas until he/she completes the ep line. See the problem is players are going to cry about it takes to long and the after they skip it will cry about no content so either way your going to run into issues. Be proud of your work and put all of that hard work to the core.

9.STOP THE NERF HAMMER...The classes are the best now they have ever been in regards to balance in PVE. Not perfect but they never will be. Time to leave it alone and stop using disgruntled PVP players opinions on class changes. If you truly feel that PVP changes need to be adjusted then make them changes that only get implemented in PVP.

10. Keep the GMs in line. I myself have dealt with GM chats that favor rp rights or trolling issues as well as many other that I have spoken to. Well over 100 players for reference. Some are of course blatant violations and should be addressed but others seem to be GMs from the NWO trying to dictate game play.
EXP.1 you wander in to a tavern where a RP event is going on. A public area mind you. Your chat screen now fills with some of the most interesting chatter that catches your attention. You then decide to show off some of your newly acquired skills to the room. 30 mins later a GM contacts you with the blah blah blah speel
about the TOS and how unwanted behavior is a violation. I have read this TOS several times and the reference being made goes both ways. As RPer may be offended by the players pretty ring of flames said player may be offended by their spam in general chat. Point being If a RP event is in a PUBLIC place they PUBLIC has the right to be there and be themselves. I suggest that RPers be given a tutorial on how to add chat channels and keep the spam out of there or move to a non-PUBLIC area.

EXP.2 A guildie of mine was farming a low level area when a GM told him he had to leave because it was interfering with low level players and their gameplay experience. I then informed said guildie to start running FRAPS and let the games begin. The GM was wrong in this case because A. He was farming in a (wait for it) that's right PUBLIC DUGEON. PUBLIC= open to the public, no restrictions on age/race/level/skill etc. Not that the GM would have the right to say anything if he was farming Bleakrock as we pay to play the game and as such should be free to play the game as we wish as long as we are not directly obstructing the progress of a player.

Anyways this was my response to the feedback request and I wanted to share it with you as unlike some who attend these chats with the devs it took issue with things I felt would make the game more sound. So GOOD LUCK ,GOOD WEALTH , DO DAMAGE DONT DIE!!!

SIN-X · April 2015

OH I FORGOT....I think racial changes need to be handled gently so that we are not all imp and high elfs....THAT IS ALL

Ser Lobo · April 2015

I was good up until the whole 'let me insult and ruin the enjoyment of roleplayers because I want to'.

I mean, sure, that's the way you enjoy playing your game. And the way they enjoy playing it is in character, acting out scenes and quite literally creating content from thin air. In the end, the roleplayers will still be around when every other 'need content now' player has left.

As a roleplayer, I warn that the game world is ours. Every bit of lore, every extra animation and every bit of detail to weapons, armor, customization or personalization ... is intended for us.

One of the reasons I love ESO and ZOS is that the GM's and developers know that. Props to them.

I mean, I can ruin other players game time, too. I just prefer to respect them and their fun.

newtinmpls · April 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I mean, I can ruin other players game time, too. I just prefer to respect them and their fun.

Thanks for being one of the good ones.

SIN-X · April 2015

You misunderstand what I said. I didn't say others get to ruin your fun what I said was keep it to yourself and don't feel entitled to an area or to think that as a roleplayer that you can spam up chat and then feel treaded on by some player who decides to stand in the same area and sing songs in chat....I don't agree the player should do that but I agree he has the same rights under the TOS and that has to be observed. But also make no mistake RP is good for any game but don't kid yourself that it would in ANY way keep this game up and running if the non-rp players left.

driosketch · April 2015

If there was a private place like instanced housing in game, I assure you the RPers would go there. For the most part they sequester themselves off into the taverns and out of the way buildings were most players only pass through on a quest or to loot. They also largely use the /emote channel which you can unselect from chat.

"Showing off skills" inside a tavern? I'm pretty sure you know exactly what you're doing.

SIN-X · April 2015

driosketch wrote: »

If there was a private place like instanced housing in game, I assure you the RPers would go there. For the most part they sequester themselves off into the taverns and out of the way buildings were most players only pass through on a quest or to loot. They also largely use the /emote channel which you can unselect from chat.

"Showing off skills" inside a tavern? I'm pretty sure you know exactly what you're doing.

I agree and I am by no means saying that all or any RPers deserve to be harassed, I am simply stating things that need addressed for the overall of the game .

Ser Lobo · April 2015

SIN-X wrote: »

You misunderstand what I said. I didn't say others get to ruin your fun what I said was keep it to yourself and don't feel entitled to an area or to think that as a roleplayer that you can spam up chat and then feel treaded on by some player who decides to stand in the same area and sing songs in chat....I don't agree the player should do that but I agree he has the same rights under the TOS and that has to be observed. But also make no mistake RP is good for any game but don't kid yourself that it would in ANY way keep this game up and running if the non-rp players left.

Using a private channel? I'm not necessarily against that. It's smarter, for one thing. Easier to keep the actors all together, prevent interferance from randoms who may or may not be cool with you acting out a fantasy.

If there were private buildings, that would be a LOT easier. Of course, I'm all for housing and whatnot.

But sometimes there is 'rude' behavior ... like using a bright and flashy ability repeatedly in the same area as players who are having fun acting out their characters ... and the only recourse is GM's. We could petition to have powers removed and restricted in public areas. Some games do that. But that kinda takes away from the overall freedom of the game.

The perfect solution would be to remove the offending player to an instance that is separate from the actors themsevles. Just reinstance him somewhere else. Or better, allow a player to set what instance he prefers (RP, chatty, quiet, etc) and that way when the player zones into that city or town, he zones into an instance more suited to his playstyle. Then if someone intentionally tries to go to an RP instance to interfere (I've watched players migrate to RP servers for no better reason than the thrill of being an anonymous butt), he can be moved out and a back-end setting could prevent him from loading into those types of instances for a short or prolonged period of time.

But rude behavior is rude behavior, no other way about it. Some games tout their freedom to be rude. Some do not. ZOS gives you enough leash to show your a butt and hang yourself. Because no matter how much you and I pay to play, it's not OUR game. It's theirs. They could turn it into a gank fest PvP all the time game tomorrow. Or turn on instabans for saying anything bad about ZOS. IF they wanted to. Because it's their rules.

And in this case, they enforce more for roleplayers and lower level characters, than griefers and higher-level grinders. They must feel that by doing so they are creating a more enjoyable, respectful gaming environment. That they are appealing to a more polite gamer who may also be more popular, considering past enforcement.

There is always an argument of 'I should be free', and in reality, I support the annoying and outspoken every time. But I don't think this applies in a private social environment such as a video game. In this world, THEIR world, they make the rules and enforce them as they see fit.

Ser Lobo · April 2015

SIN-X wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

If there was a private place like instanced housing in game, I assure you the RPers would go there. For the most part they sequester themselves off into the taverns and out of the way buildings were most players only pass through on a quest or to loot. They also largely use the /emote channel which you can unselect from chat.

"Showing off skills" inside a tavern? I'm pretty sure you know exactly what you're doing.

I agree and I am by no means saying that all or any RPers deserve to be harassed, I am simply stating things that need addressed for the overall of the game .

Fair point. What is better for the overall of the game? Allowing all players to act as they so choose, at which point a small minority of players can and often do ruin the game for a large portion of the playerbase with harrassing or otherwise negative behavior?

Or lightly enforcing politeness and 'mind your manners' on those few, so that the bulk or majority of the gaming populace can continue playing freely with little interruption?

Argoniawind · April 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I was good up until the whole 'let me insult and ruin the enjoyment of roleplayers because I want to'.

I mean, sure, that's the way you enjoy playing your game. And the way they enjoy playing it is in character, acting out scenes and quite literally creating content from thin air. In the end, the roleplayers will still be around when every other 'need content now' player has left.

As a roleplayer, I warn that the game world is ours. Every bit of lore, every extra animation and every bit of detail to weapons, armor, customization or personalization ... is intended for us.

One of the reasons I love ESO and ZOS is that the GM's and developers know that. Props to them.

I mean, I can ruin other players game time, too. I just prefer to respect them and their fun.

Ok hold on I have to say my piece on this topic, The original poster is coming from a mmo player background, I am coming from an Elder Scrolls franchise player background and you are coming from a dungeons and dragons style player background. I have issues with a few things here, number one you said this gameworld is yours the roleplayer and is intended for you, No this game is actually intended and for us the true Elder Scrolls players first and foremost and anyone else that is coming from mmo backgrounds or d&d acting out style game play is just a small fraction apart of this game.. I like to say even if the mmo players and d&d players were non existent, this game would still continue on. The thing is none of the interactions I have are with people in game cus I leave my chat window closed cus I don't play with other people just me and the npcs and im in my glory in this amazing franchise without other people ruining it for me. The other issue I have is yes if the GMs are gonna start policing my game play cus it may interrupt mmo players way of playing or the d&d roleplayers im gonna have a huge damn problem with that, for one thing this is an open world online rpg and there is enough room for people to do as they please, and since I am gonna be playing this on my console and I know if I use the headset and I hear people randomly talking about whatever including acting all d&d and I happen to be in an area and I decide to talk and if it doesnt follow some policy cus I wasn't aware or even caring I was interrupting their play style and if get a gm contacting me telling me the third degree about how I am playing is causing issues, I wont stand for that, this is a franchise I have been apart of since Morrowind on the original xbox and I wont have any problems contacting Bethesda and etc to put in many complaints regarding how the GMs are being!!! Anyhow I will leave you and everyone else with this plenty of play space for everyone and them some, you cannot get a bigger game world than the Elder Scrolls, so there should be no issues like this at all and GM should be actually be spending there time with other stuff not policing in game community unless its threats and serious stuff like that....

UrQuan · April 2015

SIN-X wrote: »

1. use more of the staff to push content and less for the crown store development for now.

Not necessarily feasible. There's likely not a ton of overlap in the skillsets between the staff developing crown store stuff, and the staff developing new content. I mean, there is some overlap for sure, but I doubt new content is being slowed down because of a few people creating a few mount models or costumes for the crown store. Things like that are a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of models and other graphic pieces needed for new content, and most likely the thing that's slowing new content is the lack of developers with the skills to work out game mechanics, balance issues, script quests, etc. Those aren't the same skillset that a person working on the cosmetic items we see in the crown store would typically have.

SIN-X wrote: »

2. Invest in a better server system as the current ones are either poorly maintained of very low quality. ( the lag spikes need to be fixed asap its a year in and the most common response I hear from most who report this is a response of it must be on your end. If you want players to come and stay this is a must.

Yup.

SIN-X wrote: »

3.The addition of crafting styles to the store warrants a removal of the achievements for obtaining them. (you NEVER sell achievements in the game nor do you add collection achievements that are only obtainable thru store purchases or gift codes i.e mounts/pets. It is great to sale them and I support the ability to buy them as long as its Vanity and awards NO achievement points or dyes.

I agree with your position that you shouldn't be able to purchase achievements, but I'm not sure if this warrants removing these specific achievements.

SIN-X wrote: »

4.PVP- Well its time to add some content there as many of the long term players hang on to that to try to stay interested while new PVE content is released.
Even just a few small additions would give them some show of acknowledgment.

I don't PVP, and any new PVP content would do nothing for me personally, but I agree with you on this. I think PVPers have gotten a bit of a raw deal in this respect, as there hasn't really been anything significantly new for them since launch.

SIN-X wrote: »

5. Release the intent for the removal of veteran ranks. We all know that a change is coming there although many to include myself don't believe its possible to set everyone to 50. Release the information so players know ahead of time if there gear will be scaled down or if there will be additional regular ranks added to this system. Many can remember the dismay and large player base that left during the champ system and the mistrust with the game after the issue. Lets try to avoid this for the fourth time.

Hmmm, yes I guess, but to be honest it seems more and more to me that veteran ranks shouldn't be removed. Instead, just keep VR14 as the cap, and basically leave things as is.

SIN-X wrote: »

6.DLC- Before this one gets outta hand lets go ahead and not mess this up. It was said that players will be able to go into the new areas with friends and guildies to allow for more time with friends. IT MUST SCALE DOWN TO THE LOWEST MEMBER OF THE GROUP!!!! If my v14 groups with my buddys lvl12 all loot should be lvl 12. It is one thing to be helpful with grouping but yet another to place built in exploits. Also as this is additional content it any instances run there that would award achievements should be to scale on what is now a Vet Dungeon.

What's the problem with scaling to the group leader? Loot would then be scaled to your level, or the level of the group leader, whichever is lower. Maybe I'm just not seeing what the exploit would be.

SIN-X wrote: »

7. Hire some game designers with a solid history of success with mmos, Not insulting anyone but the truth is some players get a little annoyed when there is major issues and every other ESO LIVE brings to light yet another fairly new (less than 10 years in development) dev that seems more unsure about what is really in the works.If you want this game to be the most it can be you WILL need to invest more in it.----see #2

Not really going to comment on this one, because I know nothing about any of the devs involved, so I can't make any judgment on what experience they may or may not have, and how qualified they may or may not be.

SIN-X wrote: »

8.STAND BY YOUR WORK.....I have played this game since beta and have done cadwells quests multiple times. You made a game , A GOOD game and it should be played as intended. It is my belief that new DLC content and even craglorn should require completion of the cadwells quest line just as and ep cannot go to DC or AD areas until he/she completes the ep line. See the problem is players are going to cry about it takes to long and the after they skip it will cry about no content so either way your going to run into issues. Be proud of your work and put all of that hard work to the core.

I agree with the general thought of "stand by your work", but I disagree with forcing anyone to do Cadwell's Silver or Gold. I think any new DLC that moves the story forward should require you to complete the main story, but I don't think anyone should actually be forced to play through the story line of a different alliance if they don't want to. If people want to have faction loyalty and not do the quests of another alliance, they shouldn't be punished for it (well, aside from missing out on the associated XP, skill points, loot, achievements, etc). I'm doing all of the Cadwell's stuff, despite the fact that I've already done all of those quests multiple times pre-vet on various alts, but that's because I want to. I don't think people should ever be forced to do that in order to access new content.

SIN-X wrote: »

9.STOP THE NERF HAMMER...The classes are the best now they have ever been in regards to balance in PVE. Not perfect but they never will be. Time to leave it alone and stop using disgruntled PVP players opinions on class changes. If you truly feel that PVP changes need to be adjusted then make them changes that only get implemented in PVP.

Yeah, nothing to add to this point really.

SIN-X wrote: »

10. Keep the GMs in line. I myself have dealt with GM chats that favor rp rights or trolling issues as well as many other that I have spoken to. Well over 100 players for reference. Some are of course blatant violations and should be addressed but others seem to be GMs from the NWO trying to dictate game play.

Yeah, your first example sounds like you were trolling the RPers and generally being a ***.

Ser Lobo · April 2015

Argoniawind wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I was good up until the whole 'let me insult and ruin the enjoyment of roleplayers because I want to'.

I mean, sure, that's the way you enjoy playing your game. And the way they enjoy playing it is in character, acting out scenes and quite literally creating content from thin air. In the end, the roleplayers will still be around when every other 'need content now' player has left.

As a roleplayer, I warn that the game world is ours. Every bit of lore, every extra animation and every bit of detail to weapons, armor, customization or personalization ... is intended for us.

One of the reasons I love ESO and ZOS is that the GM's and developers know that. Props to them.

I mean, I can ruin other players game time, too. I just prefer to respect them and their fun.

Ok hold on I have to say my piece on this topic, The original poster is coming from a mmo player background, I am coming from an Elder Scrolls franchise player background and you are coming from a dungeons and dragons style player background. I have issues with a few things here, number one you said this gameworld is yours the roleplayer and is intended for you, No this game is actually intended and for us the true Elder Scrolls players first and foremost and anyone else that is coming from mmo backgrounds or d&d acting out style game play is just a small fraction apart of this game.. I like to say even if the mmo players and d&d players were non existent, this game would still continue on. The thing is none of the interactions I have are with people in game cus I leave my chat window closed cus I don't play with other people just me and the npcs and im in my glory in this amazing franchise without other people ruining it for me. The other issue I have is yes if the GMs are gonna start policing my game play cus it may interrupt mmo players way of playing or the d&d roleplayers im gonna have a huge damn problem with that, for one thing this is an open world online rpg and there is enough room for people to do as they please, and since I am gonna be playing this on my console and I know if I use the headset and I hear people randomly talking about whatever including acting all d&d and I happen to be in an area and I decide to talk and if it doesnt follow some policy cus I wasn't aware or even caring I was interrupting their play style and if get a gm contacting me telling me the third degree about how I am playing is causing issues, I wont stand for that, this is a franchise I have been apart of since Morrowind on the original xbox and I wont have any problems contacting Bethesda and etc to put in many complaints regarding how the GMs are being!!! Anyhow I will leave you and everyone else with this plenty of play space for everyone and them some, you cannot get a bigger game world than the Elder Scrolls, so there should be no issues like this at all and GM should be actually be spending there time with other stuff not policing in game community unless its threats and serious stuff like that....

I personally feel that Elder Scrolls in nothing but a continuation of the roleplay world built for Dungeons and Dragons ... and oftentimes, done better and in more detail.

But roleplay is a word that many shun or look down on. They have one image in their head ... pimply faces, thick glasses, too skinny or heavy set, dressed in momma's nightgown and throwing tennis balls yelling out modifiers. LARP, sadly, is not all that roleplay is.

Any game which says 'create your character' starts as a roleplay game. Any time you make an individual who is not you, you take part in roleplay. Since I have yet to find a way to make a 240lb powerlifting Arkansan in ANY game I've played ... well, you could say I've never once played a game that didn't start with roleplay.

And when that game world adds lore, background, history, etc? That's not just the story of the world, that's the background of your character. That's the backdrop of the stage your acting on. The more detail that's added, the more useless books and colorful costumes and mindless emotes? Well, that's more tools to act with.

Elder Scrolls has, in my opinion at least, always been first and foremost a leader in roleplaying. The world is more immersive, detailed and involved than almost any other.

Having GMs out there trying to keep you in character (or at the very least, from interupting other's acting) is actually right in touch with every other principle I've ever seen Bethesda and ZOS apply to Elder Scrolls.

The only exception to all this high talk is the playerbase. The number of nude mods, god weapons, anime crossovers, poorly built fortresses of solitude and badly designed pron animations ... well they speak wonders for what a large group of the PC gamers have really used the Elder Scrolls games for.

Which is why at it's heart, at least since Morrowind, Elder Scrolls has seen such success on consoles. It's a truer, more honest experience to what Bethesda intended.

That is how I feel about it, anyhow.

Argoniawind · April 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Argoniawind wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I was good up until the whole 'let me insult and ruin the enjoyment of roleplayers because I want to'.

I mean, sure, that's the way you enjoy playing your game. And the way they enjoy playing it is in character, acting out scenes and quite literally creating content from thin air. In the end, the roleplayers will still be around when every other 'need content now' player has left.

As a roleplayer, I warn that the game world is ours. Every bit of lore, every extra animation and every bit of detail to weapons, armor, customization or personalization ... is intended for us.

One of the reasons I love ESO and ZOS is that the GM's and developers know that. Props to them.

I mean, I can ruin other players game time, too. I just prefer to respect them and their fun.

Ok hold on I have to say my piece on this topic, The original poster is coming from a mmo player background, I am coming from an Elder Scrolls franchise player background and you are coming from a dungeons and dragons style player background. I have issues with a few things here, number one you said this gameworld is yours the roleplayer and is intended for you, No this game is actually intended and for us the true Elder Scrolls players first and foremost and anyone else that is coming from mmo backgrounds or d&d acting out style game play is just a small fraction apart of this game.. I like to say even if the mmo players and d&d players were non existent, this game would still continue on. The thing is none of the interactions I have are with people in game cus I leave my chat window closed cus I don't play with other people just me and the npcs and im in my glory in this amazing franchise without other people ruining it for me. The other issue I have is yes if the GMs are gonna start policing my game play cus it may interrupt mmo players way of playing or the d&d roleplayers im gonna have a huge damn problem with that, for one thing this is an open world online rpg and there is enough room for people to do as they please, and since I am gonna be playing this on my console and I know if I use the headset and I hear people randomly talking about whatever including acting all d&d and I happen to be in an area and I decide to talk and if it doesnt follow some policy cus I wasn't aware or even caring I was interrupting their play style and if get a gm contacting me telling me the third degree about how I am playing is causing issues, I wont stand for that, this is a franchise I have been apart of since Morrowind on the original xbox and I wont have any problems contacting Bethesda and etc to put in many complaints regarding how the GMs are being!!! Anyhow I will leave you and everyone else with this plenty of play space for everyone and them some, you cannot get a bigger game world than the Elder Scrolls, so there should be no issues like this at all and GM should be actually be spending there time with other stuff not policing in game community unless its threats and serious stuff like that....

Which is why at it's heart, at least since Morrowind, Elder Scrolls has seen such success on consoles. It's a truer, more honest experience to what Bethesda intended.

That is how I feel about it, anyhow.

I heard everything you said and gave insight about D&D roleplayers and how its evolved and that's fine, everyone has the freedom to play as they choose. and I especially couldn't agree more with that last part you wrote!!!

newtinmpls · April 2015

To the idea of everyone has the same rights, yes.

Everyone has the right to participate in the game in a friendly positive way that does not seek to harm or impede the positive experiences of others.

If you think that someone who decides to go to quite a bit of trouble to disrupt a group of people trying to create a positive experience is appropriate in any way.... well, I just don't follow your logic.

SIN-X · April 2015

So we seem to have hit a rp issue with this. As I stated before this list is over all points I see that need improvement. As for the role-players that don't like it all I can say is to bad. Your not special snowflakes and deserve not more right to spam chat as any player does to spam skills. Sorry that's the way it is. I don't justify intentional harassment but I also don't think just because your different you should get any different exemptions from the tos. Point is the TOS states as is any rude or offensive behavior and that's up to the person whats offensive to them.

Ser Lobo · April 2015

Agreed. I'm massively offended by the use of leetspeak and text-typing.

Of course my point is invalid. Because while you are right that offensive behavior is defined by the individual offended, there is also a good reason why it's left to ZOS and GM's to define acceptable tolerances between what is offensive and what is not. LOL and L33t might offend me, but they wouldn't generally be considered offensive. Same might be said for acting in local chat. Maybe offensive to some, but not most or all.

Then again, they also have *apparently* decided that spamming abilities in the middle of a bunch of actors, or grinding low level bosses and preventing newer players from getting their challenge IS offensive.

Again, it's up to ZOS on that.

SteveCampsOut · April 2015

You don't have to be an RPer to be offended by someone spamming flashy abilities near you for the sole purpose of annoying you! I report such actions happening inside banks and other buildings every chance I get and will continue doing so.

SIN-X · April 2015

Ok well I can only agree to disagree.....Spam=spam whether its chat or skills and that the overall point. The only point of the bullet.

Ser Lobo · April 2015

SIN-X wrote: »

Ok well I can only agree to disagree.....Spam=spam whether its chat or skills and that the overall point. The only point of the bullet.

I think your concept of spam and mine may be different. Are you telling me they were using chat by repeatedly posting hte same things over and over again? Like trade spam, guild invite spam, or even gold chat spam in the email?

Cause if it was the same repetative post, I can understand your frustration entirely.

Then again, if it was multiple players talking to each other using the local chat function, well ... I don't know if that would count as spam to me.

jkemmery · April 2015

SIN-X wrote: »

So we seem to have hit a rp issue with this. As I stated before this list is over all points I see that need improvement. As for the role-players that don't like it all I can say is to bad. Your not special snowflakes and deserve not more right to spam chat as any player does to spam skills. Sorry that's the way it is. I don't justify intentional harassment but I also don't think just because your different you should get any different exemptions from the tos. Point is the TOS states as is any rude or offensive behavior and that's up to the person whats offensive to them.

If you feel that people chatting where you are is bothering you, right click their name and select "ignore". Simple. No need to go and interrupt their play. I'm not sure what anyone's hangup with RPers is. I met some, joined a guild, participated a bit and decided it wasn't for me. No big deal. They were fine folks, just let them play the game the way they want to and leave them be. Was the chat worse than all the "WTB WW BITE" messages that players spam in zone chat? Unlikely. You can always ignore them, but if you barge in to the area where they are and start showing off your "ESO Theater" skills, well, that's just rude! Play your game and let them play theirs, and if their chatting bothers you, it takes far less time for you to just hit "Ignore" than it does for you to show off in front of them. There is a place in ESO for RPers. If that bothers you, then that's your problem, not theirs. I mean that with all due respect.

UrQuan · April 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Then again, if it was multiple players talking to each other using the local chat function, well ... I don't know if that would count as spam to me.

Yeah, but the only reason you say you wouldn't count it as spam is because it isn't spam, and you're being a reasonable person rather than a *** intentionally harassing people in the game.

Hmm...

Arunei · April 2015

How does people RPing spam chat any more than people regularly talking back and forth? I don't follow the logic here. I've only encountered a few instances of people RPing in local chat, and being a RPer myself I thought it was pretty neat.

I'd much prefer to see RPing than constant WTB, LFG, and WTS spam everywhere.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · April 2015

All this RP talking remind me of a experience i had once.Had to say some RPers are very sensitive.I remember I was questing and i end up in a big building,I think was a tavern or inn.I knew there was some players inside.I didnt pay most attention to them because i tho they were just players questing like me.

In that moment a whisper came from a friend who invited me to heal a dungeon.I said "sure ,let me switch to my healing gear".So I switched gear and throw some heals skills around to see for how much they were healing ect ect.I was doing a quick testing of the skills.

Few seconds later this player whispers me"seriously? what an *** you are" Im like???? what i did?So i quickly try to whisper him back to know what i did wrong but he already have me in ignore.So yeah,that RPer just insulted me and then ignored me leaving me wondering what i did wrong to be insulted that way.It was then after all that that i look around an noticed there was an RP grp around.

I respect RPres,I like them in the game as they kind of give more life to the game.I even used to RP a bit back in WoW.But some of them are very sensitive or thing the games is only for them.Im glad that RPer didnt report me and I didnt get a warning because if that should have been the case I was going to make the biggest complaint this forums have ever seen.

BigM · April 2015

Awesome and very well written. As far as RP'ers this game is made for RP'ing there is a fine line into playing the game your way until it turns into harassment. A few people will go out of their way to ruin RP'ers fun and those guys/gals need to be handled by the GM's.

One great thing about this game is the atmosphere you guys created, it is made for RP'ing!

ProfessorKittyhawk · April 2015

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

if that should have been the case I was going to make the biggest complaint this forums have ever seen.

Off topic, but that bit there made me think of Mance Rayder from Game of Thrones.

"I'm going to light the biggest fire the north has ever seen."

But yeah, some rp'ers are a smidge bit sensitive. I will be looting on my thief character in Riften sometimes and there'll be rp'ers around so I try to go in, do my thing, and slink out before I become intrusive. So far haven't had any trouble but I have heard about others having trouble a few times.