Let us go to V6-V10 zones without completing Cadwell's Silver

RakshaTheKhajiit · April 2015

Pros:
1. Will let people to skip main quests in zones v1-v5 and choose what quests to do. Freedom is good, and, for me personally, it will let me enjoy side quests from zones v1-v5 properly

2. Will stop people like me from complaining about my character being forced to be a traitor by doing zone main quests. Being traitor really kills enjoyment and immersion.
3. Will be more consistent with Cold Harbor (you can go there whenever you want) and Craglorn.
Cons:
None!

Jaxsun · April 2015

+1

hamgatan · April 2015

Cons:

1. The forums get littered with posts of DC VR1's who are whining to ZOS to make The Rift easier because they can't take down VR12 mobs with their VR1 toon.

2. The forums get littered with posts of players whining about no endgame content because they skipped 3/4 of the content along the way.

4. Gives VR1-5's access to Cadwells Gold mats, motifs and gear that they haven't otherwise earned. Loot drops are based on the mob levels of the zone you're in. Gives unfair advantage to VR1's zerging on VR12 zones specifically to loot gear they can't even use (but gain wonderful deconstruction inspiration from).

RakshaTheKhajiit · April 2015

^^
They already have that because VR1+ have access to Craglorn. And Crag is perfectly doable at vr1 anyway.

skarvika · April 2015

hamgatan wrote: »

Cons:

1. The forums get littered with posts of DC VR1's who are whining to ZOS to make The Rift easier because they can't take down VR12 mobs with their VR1 toon.

2. The forums get littered with posts of players whining about no endgame content because they skipped 3/4 of the content along the way.

4. Gives VR1-5's access to Cadwells Gold mats, motifs and gear that they haven't otherwise earned. Loot drops are based on the mob levels of the zone you're in. Gives unfair advantage to VR1's zerging on VR12 zones specifically to loot gear they can't even use (but gain wonderful deconstruction inspiration from).

Alright, then allow access to these zones when the player reaches the levels required for them. Easy fix. Anyways, yeah I'd really like this. I'm not big on questing...maybe once I'm not focused on leveling I'll do that stuff for fun on those days I'm not up to PVPing, but for now I'd just like to explore the world and grind some mobs...ok, so I wouldn't LIKE to grind, but you get what I mean right?

asteldian · April 2015

Make cadwell gold accessible from VR1, make the entire area VR10-14, slash xp required for VR down to 250k a rank. You now have freedom, a slashed VR grind and have removed the real need to get rid of VR ranks and rebalance stuff. Job done.

Enodoc · April 2015

I'm hoping that when VRs are removed, Cadwell's Gold will be accessible without having to do Silver first.

Concept:

Enodoc wrote: »

Cadwell
Assume you are a member of the Daggerfall Covenant for this section.
Cadwell's Silver will begin as it does now. following the end of the Main Quest. But:
As soon as you arrive in the starter city of Vulkhel Guard, the following text appears on-screen: New Task: Cadwell's Silver - Experience the Aldmeri Dominion.

Cadwell's Silver is then removed/hidden from the Journal. This is so that the quest is not there hanging over you if you don't want to do it. (Progress tracking in Cadwell's Almanac proceeds as normal.)

A projection of Cadwell invites you to visit the Aldmeri version of the Harborage to return to your own alliance. There's a projection of him in the Aldmeri Harborage as well, with the same dialogue he would have if you met him in the normal (Daggerfall) Harborage.

Activating the Light of Meridia in the Aldmeri Harborage returns you to the Daggerfall Harborage, where Cadwell is waiting... with a new quest for you.

Cadwell's Gold will begin as soon as you return to the Daggerfall Harborage after your initial trip to the Dominion lands. Cadwell's dialogue here ("Well, you've experienced two of the three alliances. Care to finish the set?[...]") does not need to be changed, as you have still technically experienced two alliances.
As before, as soon as you arrive in Davon's Watch, you get a New Task: Cadwell's Gold - Experience the Ebonheart Pact.

Cadwell's Gold is removed/hidden from the Journal to avoid clutter.

You now have access to both Cadwell areas without being required to complete one of them first, aside from visiting the first city and leaving again.

Returning to any version of the Harborage gives you access to the Light of Meridia. Activate it whenever you like to be given a choice of alliances to visit. eg, press E for Dominion, F for Pact or X for Covenant.

If either section of Cadwell's Almanac is completed, you see Task Completed: Cadwell's Silver/Gold - You have completed the Dominion/Pact section of Cadwell's Almanac. At this time, the relevant quest reappears in the Journal for you to turn in to Cadwell in the Daggerfall Harborage. Turn in works as it does now.

Cadwell Zones will have a minor progression system, so that Tier 5 zones (Bangkorai, Reaper's March, and The Rift) are more difficult than Tier 1 zones (Glenumbra, Auridon, and Stonefalls), but are of comparable difficulty to each other (The Rift is no more difficult than Reaper's March).

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · April 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm hoping that when VRs are removed, Cadwell's Gold will be accessible without having to do Silver first

As I see it Cadwell's only exist BECAUSE of VR, remove VR and Cadwell's has no further relevance as I see it.

nothing2591 · April 2015

yeah do this and you hit v14 with 64 skill points, downside of grinding

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · April 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

And Crag is perfectly doable at vr1 anyway.

Please don't exaggerate.

Most players on most builds will NOT be able to on 5-packs of VR11 crocs and live, to guve just one example of what yous said is just laughable.

Enodoc · April 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm hoping that when VRs are removed, Cadwell's Gold will be accessible without having to do Silver first

As I see it Cadwell's only exist BECAUSE of VR, remove VR and Cadwell's has no further relevance as I see it.

I see it the other way around actually. In order to provide some semblance of progression through Cadwell's, VRs were created. When actually, that was unnecessary. Cadwell's is there to allow people to play the other alliances with one character as an endgame activity, and didn't need level progression applied to it at all.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

And Crag is perfectly doable at vr1 anyway.

Please don't exaggerate.

Most players on most builds will NOT be able to on 5-packs of VR11 crocs and live, to guve just one example of what yous said is just laughable.

That wasn't me, and I don't agree with that statement either (whoever made it).

stabbykitteh · April 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

yeah do this and you hit v14 with 64 skill points, downside of grinding

I don't think the intent was to skip everything, just to not be forced into it.

Skyshards alone amount to 100+ skillpoints...

eserras7b16_ESO · April 2015

I agree on opening both alliances!

I_killed_Vivec · April 2015

"Will stop people like me from complaining about my character being forced to be a traitor by doing zone main quests. Being traitor really kills enjoyment and immersion."

Well...

Meridia has plans for you that require you to first experience the other factions through their eyes. You aren't a traitor, you just have a bigger world view now that you've faced Ole Moley. The civil war is fought on petty, arbitrary lines and is purely divisive - just what Moley wanted...

Alternatively, if you want to perpetuate your allegiance to one faction then how can you expect to visit the other factions? Just walking freely among them? If you really do have a strict allegiance then why aren't you attempting to assassinate the other leaders? Why don't the people see you as an interloper and attack you on sight?

If you want to ignore Meridia and maintain an allegiance to one of the factions then it would break "immersion" to go and holiday in one of the other factions - if you want immersion then go to Cyrodiil and fight for your faction!

Sukenlihol · April 2015

This permission should be account-wide. I mean, If one of your characters finished Caldwell's Silver, then all of them can be access the next zone.

Vaerth · April 2015

RakshaTheKhajiit wrote: »

Pros:
1. Will let people to skip main quests in zones v1-v5 and choose what quests to do. Freedom is good, and, for me personally, it will let me enjoy side quests from zones v1-v5 properly
2. Will stop people like me from complaining about my character being forced to be a traitor by doing zone main quests. Being traitor really kills enjoyment and immersion.
3. Will be more consistent with Cold Harbor (you can go there whenever you want) and Craglorn.
Cons:
None!

No, you want to go to VR6+ zone to farm motifs, you will get there when you earn it. Regardless of it being Silver or Gold, you are still being a traitor to your faction, not sure why you feel that applies here.

Vaerth · April 2015

Totomushen wrote: »

This permission should be account-wide. I mean, If one of your characters finished Caldwell's Silver, then all of them can be access the next zone.

Nope

RakshaTheKhajiit · April 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO:
I started doing lower crag delves at vr1 on my alt and they seem doable as long as you are in a group of course. That's what I like about them, since you can take any vet there, even if they are still learning.

If anyone needs group for Crag and you are on NA AD, feel free to contact me in game. Happy to take any vr1+ on a laid back questing in Crag, especially since I'm repeating it on my alt now.

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Meridia has plans for you that require you to first experience the other factions through their eyes. You aren't a traitor, you just have a bigger world view now that you've faced Ole Moley. The civil war is fought on petty, arbitrary lines and is purely divisive - just what Moley wanted...

Well, I experienced them, and now I'm sure that nasty EP and DC leaders need to be removed so we can unite Tamriel under proper leadership. When we are done, no Moley will threaten Tamriel! Happy now?

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Alternatively, if you want to perpetuate your allegiance to one faction then how can you expect to visit the other factions? Just walking freely among them? If you really do have a strict allegiance then why aren't you attempting to assassinate the other leaders? Why don't the people see you as an interloper and attack you on sight?

Ever heard of spies? You could try to play as if you are one. Can even try to use justice system for that. And of course I'm trying to slay evil EP and DC leaders, but game does not allow it and instead is trying to force me to kiss their asses

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

if you want immersion then go to Cyrodiil and fight for your faction!

And I'm doing that

But when you fight Pact in Cyro in the mornings and in the afternoons you are 'uniting' the same Pact in Cadwel's Silver, it gets a bit weird IMHO...

SantieClaws · April 2015

I just charged through the main quest bits of the silver areas. Got to the gold areas at VR3. Now going back and forth as I please to pick up quests.

RakshaTheKhajiit · April 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I just charged through the main quest bits of the silver areas. Got to the gold areas at VR3. Now going back and forth as I please to pick up quests.

Hehe, yeah, done that on my EP alt, since I wanted to try VR6-10 AD zones (they are much more fun than at 1-50). Rushing through silver is good workaround, I'd just rather remove need for that workaround altogether, since that whole Cadwels Silver content gate looks unnecessary and completely artificial in the first place

Cuyler · April 2015

I can get on board with gating it to level and not Caldwell's quests. So when you hit v1 you immediately have access to Silver and at v6 have access to Gold.

UrQuan · April 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

And Crag is perfectly doable at vr1 anyway.

Please don't exaggerate.

Most players on most builds will NOT be able to on 5-packs of VR11 crocs and live, to guve just one example of what yous said is just laughable.

He didn't say it's doable solo at VR1. Craglorn is intended entirely as group content, and it's perfectly doable in a group at VR1.

RakshaTheKhajiit · April 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

I can get on board with gating it to level and not Caldwell's quests. So when you hit v1 you immediately have access to Silver and at v6 have access to Gold.

Nooo, no more level gates people. Freedom is good

idk · April 2015

It's not many quests to complete silver. LOL, probably took longer to decide to start this thread than it takes to complete silver.

Valymer · April 2015

It's true you can finish Cadwell's Silver in one day if you use Rapid Maneuvers to run everywhere and avoid fighting when possible (and just speed-click through all the quest text).

Still annoying to have to do it, but at least it gives decent exp and some skill points, I guess.

Some_Jerk · April 2015

Would be good if it weren't quest locked.