The dev's said they would remove them, but they have not said how this will be done, so no one know for sure.

But it looks like
(1) You level will change from V14 down to L50
(2) Gear will have a level and CP requirement
So your V14 gear might become L50 and need 140 CP to wear
(3) All vet zones will be changed to L50 mobs (except craglorn with will have L50++ mobs)

But for now, no one really knows, all we know is they said they will remove them, but that might change.

Natjur wrote: »

The dev's said they would remove them, but they have not said how this will be done, so no one know for sure.

But it looks like
(1) You level will change from V14 down to L50
(2) Gear will have a level and CP requirement
So your V14 gear might become L50 and need 140 CP to wear
(3) All vet zones will be changed to L50 mobs (except craglorn with will have L50++ mobs)

But for now, no one really knows, all we know is they said they will remove them, but that might change.

It could change, although it was stated in the most recent ESO live that this is still happening. So at least we have heard it recently

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

If they are removed, ZOS will replace them with something else as a means of extending the game; currently it is anticipated that the Champion Point system in some variation will be that replacement.

Big sad-face if this is true...

Natjur wrote: »

The dev's said they would remove them, but they have not said how this will be done, so no one know for sure.

But it looks like
(1) You level will change from V14 down to L50
(2) Gear will have a level and CP requirement
So your V14 gear might become L50 and need 140 CP to wear
(3) All vet zones will be changed to L50 mobs (except craglorn with will have L50++ mobs)

But for now, no one really knows, all we know is they said they will remove them, but that might change.

Stop....

1. No as this was never said or implied
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This is how threads become rumors and then ZOS makes a change and uninformed ppl make threads to attack ZOS

We don't know....the only assumption can be that in some way VR character levels "might" convert into champion levels but that's a stretch and only based on the champion levels granted off VR exp as outlined by ZOS as one of the last phased prior to VR removal


How about let's discuss what each person wants ZOS to do

I'm in support of VR to champion level conversion where a VR1= cp1-cp5
VR2= cp6-cp10 and so on and so forth until VR14= cp70

Anything that needs to be converted like items, armor requirements and NPC would follow this format.

The skills /stats that are grante on each level would then be earned by account therefore following a similar conversion but only required to be earned from cp6-cp70 and afterwards apply to the account at level 50+

That's just me tho

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

Please, for the love of the Tribunal, let this just be a rumor. Eliminating vet ranks is the absolute worst idea I have heard since WoW announced they will sell lvl 90 toons! If you want a game to be mind-numbingly easy, go play Farmville! One of the best parts of any Elder Scrolls game is leveling your character, completing quests, and getting that awesome feeling of accomplishment when you finally do hit max level. People need to realize this isn't just another vanilla MMO, this is an Elder Scrolls MMO, and trying to make it just another WoW or GW2 clone will kill the game!

I see you're new to the forums...do you have any VR characters?

Have you created and achieved a VR alt?

ZOS has more than drastically nerfed our exp rate and progress so that VR levels either go complete all silver n golds quests on each character and the grind exp for VR 10-vr14

Just asking for context on your point of view

Since someone asked for what we would like to see, here is what I would like to see:
Everything with a veteran rank becomes (visibly) Level 50, and rank restrictions on things are removed. Also:

• Cadwell's Silver and Gold can be done in any order, with Reaper's March/The Rift/Bangkorai having similar difficulty to each other, but being tougher than Auridon/Stonefalls/Glenumbra. This keeps the progression within the content, but removes the restriction of having to do one before the other.
• Overland Lower Craglorn is completable at Lvl 50, but you would need to advance your character a bit for the Delves, and advance further for the Upper Craglorn stuff. Again, this keeps the progression within the content, but removes the restriction of having to do Cadwell first.
• Trials could have tiers of difficulty (EQBallzz' suggestion), where the first tier is available to new 50s, but the final tier would be balanced on you having progressed your character further. No tiers have actual restrictions on access (my suggestion), they just contain content which is balanced on a different CP level. Higher tier gives higher rewards.
• VR gear all becomes Level 50, with VR1-5 gear becoming "Season 1", VR6-10 becoming "Season 2", and VR11-14 becoming "Season 3". Higher season gear is more powerful, more rare, but available to everyone.

Basically, the essence is that the content is based around having a certain number of CPs, but number of CPs does not actually restrict you from doing anything.

Razzak wrote: »

The removal of Vet ranks will only happen if console players demand it.

Hmmm well I'll be transferring over....hoped to see it gone but heard otherwise in December so, yeah....It's only been a year in waiting

Frankly, I don't mind having the veteran ranks and I don't understand why they should be removed.
If somebody could explain that would be great.

Finally I'm leveling my 8th VR14 now, all of them I reached VR14 doing quests (7 toons have Silver and Gold Cadwell's quests completed) and sometimes grinding, and I must say, even loving The Elder Scrolls games and lore (I've been playing each game for a thousand of hours since Morrowind), even doing RP a lot (trying different dialogs and solutions, different races and classes), progression through VR ranks it's a hard, slow and sometimes a painful process.

I don't like the idea of just remove the VR levels and make the CP system the only character progression in this game (after level 50). And I can see also how unfair this would be, without any compromise solution, for all people who have their VR14 alts. (so many people have 4, 5, 6 alts now...).

So, I hope this process (remove the VR levels), which I suppose is not going to happen for a while..., can create a new progression system and also compensate the time invested in leveling alts.

Veteran ranks were why I left the game the first time around and after coming back and leveling a new character from scratch I've just hit the VR grind again and will probably leave again.

The problem I have with the system is that it puts you into a kind of limbo state. I'm not high enough level to do endgame Trails, most Pledge groups are VR10+. As a fresh VR toon in PVP I'm in a tough spot given the number of VR14 characters there now. So I'm left doing Cadwell Silver and Gold and if I wanted to do those zones I'd roll alts.

The only real purpose of Veteran ranks is to slow you down to endgame and to hide gear upgrades behind 13 walls.

I just don't see how they can get rid of them now without a lot of work and a lot of tough decisions. No matter how they eventually do it, it's guaranteed to upset a sizable proportion of the player base. I wish them luck.

My solution would be:-
Level cap 50
Cadwell nonsense scrapped completely and to make up for lost skill points have more quests give them and have skyshards up the rate from 1 for 3 to 1 for 2 or even 1 for 1.
Craglorn scaled so that overland is soloable but the rest is group content.
Gear I have no idea other than top end content should reward top end gear.

Of course my solution is completely unworkable now but it would have been a better way to go along with the champion system at launch.

Forztr wrote: »

Veteran ranks were why I left the game the first time around and after coming back and leveling a new character from scratch I've just hit the VR grind again and will probably leave again.

The problem I have with the system is that it puts you into a kind of limbo state. I'm not high enough level to do endgame Trails, most Pledge groups are VR10+. As a fresh VR toon in PVP I'm in a tough spot given the number of VR14 characters there now. So I'm left doing Cadwell Silver and Gold and if I wanted to do those zones I'd roll alts.

The only real purpose of Veteran ranks is to slow you down to endgame and to hide gear upgrades behind 13 walls.

I just don't see how they can get rid of them now without a lot of work and a lot of tough decisions. No matter how they eventually do it, it's guaranteed to upset a sizable proportion of the player base. I wish them luck.

My solution would be:-
Level cap 50
Cadwell nonsense scrapped completely and to make up for lost skill points have more quests give them and have skyshards up the rate from 1 for 3 to 1 for 2 or even 1 for 1.
Craglorn scaled so that overland is soloable but the rest is group content.
Gear I have no idea other than top end content should reward top end gear.

Of course my solution is completely unworkable now but it would have been a better way to go along with the champion system at launch.

im ok with vr

i like cadwells silver and gold

Craglorn overworld is already soloable, adjust your build

crafters shouldnt suffer

Keron wrote: »

Lancillotto wrote: »

Frankly, I don't mind having the veteran ranks and I don't understand why they should be removed.
If somebody could explain that would be great.

Acquisition to grindy. That's the bottom line of the discussion.

So vet levels are too grindy but CP points that require over 100 times the grind are fine? You people is strange....

It will look just like the champ system, one big nerf.