Should your character progression in the console beta be transferred into the live game?

EJRose83 · April 2015

I'm really eager to play the console beta. That being said, I would hate to spend roughly a month progressing a character (while testing the game), only to have to do it all over again once the game goes live.

snowmanflvb14_ESO · April 2015

that is the normal run of things Beta testing characters are just that beta testing characters. Very rarely are true test transferred over to a live game. There are games that have what they call "beta testing" in which characters are transferred but they are really just open stress tests.

Cudda · April 2015

I would not be surprised to see this happen.

FFXI on Xbox 360 was a beta for a good 2-3 months. They allowed you to keep your characters and this was an "after thought"

Since they are allowing everyone to bring their PC characters along that are already max level, it would not hurt anything allowing beta characters to come through. I could see this as a "surprise" near the end of the Beta...

But I would not hold my breathe at the same time hehe. Best advise I can say would be to progress a character on the PC to carry over, but if you dont have the PC version... well fair enough.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

No it should not because everyone can't get access.
Just as the PC beta progress was reset.

I think any early access may be appropriate but that's exactly what the console xfer does so it's fine as is without carrying over any beta progress

Also at best you'll be able to play a total of 6-10 days broken up by weekends and reset each time

EJRose83 · April 2015

@NewBlacksmurf What's the difference between caring over your beta progress, versus what you were able to accomplish on the PC game? It kind of seems as though you're just arbitrarily against the idea for no particular reason...

EJRose83 · April 2015

Besides, it looks as though we might get a solid month of beta access, if that. I doubt they would do a reset within that time frame. Typically, they would allow Psijics to play for about 30 days before doing a reset, and even then sometimes they would save our character progress between cycles.

Bookwyrm · April 2015

No, not really, since they deleted the character progress of beta players for the PC version. Some of which had been playing for over a year in closed beta. The point of beta is not to get a head start, but to make sure the game is running as smoothly as possible for launch.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

I'm really eager to play the console beta. That being said, I would hate to spend roughly a month progressing a character (while testing the game), only to have to do it all over again once the game goes live.

As others have said, we had to restart progress on Early Access after Beta, well I did and so did many others, obviously not speaking for everyone, but it is only fair for the console crowd to have that as we did.

EJRose83 · April 2015

Bookwyrm wrote: »

No, not really, since they deleted the character progress of beta players for the PC version. Some of which had been playing for over a year in closed beta. The point of beta is not to get a head start, but to make sure the game is running as smoothly as possible for launch.

@Bookwyrm True, the point of beta is not to get a head start. However, considering there will be plenty of PC transfers who will have a year head start, what harm is there in allowing us to maintain our character's progress?

EJRose83 · April 2015

I mean, I myself am taking part in the PC transfer/copy and will have a Vet 3 character upon activation. What's the harm in letting us keep a character we may have worked on for a month?

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

I mean, I myself am taking part in the PC transfer/copy and will have a Vet 3 character upon activation. What's the harm in letting us keep a character we may have worked on for a month?

IMO that would be fine as you have played on pc already with full game, I will be honest, I don`t know about the console version, but I am assuming the consoles had or having a beta, and the ones in beta who have not played previously should have their progress reset for console launch IMO, same as myself and many others who were in the beta sessions for pc did.

But...for the people as said earlier and as you said, should to be fair, have their characters transferred over, as they worked hard enough to get their characters to where it is.

Bookwyrm · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

No, not really, since they deleted the character progress of beta players for the PC version. Some of which had been playing for over a year in closed beta. The point of beta is not to get a head start, but to make sure the game is running as smoothly as possible for launch.

@Bookwyrm True, the point of beta is not to get a head start. However, considering there will be plenty of PC transfers who will have a year head start, what harm is there in allowing us to maintain our character's progress?

Everyone had a chance to purchase the PC version and play for a year. Certainly, it may not have been feasible for some, but it was out there. And yes, they have a head start, but they have paid for it every step of the way through subscription and, I believe in this case, buying the game again (though at a reduced price? I can't remember, I'm not transferring). And while a lot of people like to claim that this whole year has just been a "paid beta" the fact is the game was launched and we've been playing (and paying for) it ever since. Those of us who played through betas prior to launch did not get to keep our characters, and plenty of them had maxed them out (some people many times over). That's just the way beta goes.

If they do, fine, it's none of my concern, but do I think they should? No, because it seems disingenuous to PC players, and we've had enough of that over the past few months.

Cudda · April 2015

The thing is, console Gamers are not as forgiving as PC gamers. This is why the game was not launched last year. PC gamers are known for being duped in to paying for half finished products and to give their money to the company while they finish it up for the premium audience. PS4 FFXIV Beta, you got to keep your character. Most Console "betas" allowed you to keep your characters. It is only the PC realm where Games are able to pull what they do. Because PC gamers allow it.

Guess you will know on release day though right?

EJRose83 · April 2015

Bookwyrm wrote: »

EJRose83 wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

No, not really, since they deleted the character progress of beta players for the PC version. Some of which had been playing for over a year in closed beta. The point of beta is not to get a head start, but to make sure the game is running as smoothly as possible for launch.

@Bookwyrm True, the point of beta is not to get a head start. However, considering there will be plenty of PC transfers who will have a year head start, what harm is there in allowing us to maintain our character's progress?

Everyone had a chance to purchase the PC version and play for a year. Certainly, it may not have been feasible for some, but it was out there. And yes, they have a head start, but they have paid for it every step of the way through subscription and, I believe in this case, buying the game again (though at a reduced price? I can't remember, I'm not transferring). And while a lot of people like to claim that this whole year has just been a "paid beta" the fact is the game was launched and we've been playing (and paying for) it ever since. Those of us who played through betas prior to launch did not get to keep our characters, and plenty of them had maxed them out (some people many times over). That's just the way beta goes.

If they do, fine, it's none of my concern, but do I think they should? No, because it seems disingenuous to PC players, and we've had enough of that over the past few months.

@Bookwyrm Okay, well if I'm already transferring over a vet 3 character, how is me keep my console beta player any more disingenuous towards other players? There is literally no harm in this. Zero, nada, zilch. I don't really care either way ultimately, but it's something I would definitely prefer rather than not have.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

Cudda wrote: »

The thing is, console Gamers are not as forgiving as PC gamers. This is why the game was not launched last year. PC gamers are known for being duped in to paying for half finished products and to give their money to the company while they finish it up for the premium audience. PS4 FFXIV Beta, you got to keep your character. Most Console "betas" allowed you to keep your characters. It is only the PC realm where Games are able to pull what they do. Because PC gamers allow it.

Guess you will know on release day though right?

Aye you raised some interesting and true points, although I am pc only for numerous reasons, including FPS shooters and the Total War games.

I personally cant wait for the console launch of ESO and their game to be plagued with the lag issues that we have, as they will just not tolerate it.
And they will never tolerate it after a year, games are supposed to be better, not worse and I don`t mean that in a evil way ok:}

Games on pc, even the AAA titles, (EA/Dice and many others) always do this, release a broken game, patch it for ages after, and then finally the game is fine, its the opposite on ESO, such an amazing game, on so many levels, and I love it to bits, but the lag every so often, despite a really good gaming rig and net is just so annoying.

The game was better lagwise ages ago

Slightly off topic there but hey there we are...

Cudda · April 2015

Bookwyrm wrote: »

If they do, fine, it's none of my concern, but do I think they should? No, because it seems disingenuous to PC players, and we've had enough of that over the past few months.

As a PC gamer, you should be used to that if you played many games that have been on both systems.

Bookwyrm · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

@Bookwyrm Okay, well if I'm already transferring over a vet 3 character, how is me keep my console beta player any more disingenuous towards other players? There is literally no harm in this. Zero, nada, zilch. I don't really care either way ultimately, but it's something I would definitely prefer rather than not have.

If you're already transferring over a vet 3 character, why do you need to keep your beta character? There's no harm in losing it either.

Honestly, I really don't care much. It just seems rude to offer further "benefits" to console players that weren't ever offered to PC players. Sort of like the "Hound-gate" we experienced at the Steam launch. There really was no harm to either party, but it wasn't exactly on the level either.

It's not even that it's a benefit or a head start, since most people won't have leveled their character to even 20, most likely. It's just...well, rude. And I know that sounds silly, but that's how I feel about it. *shrug* I would have liked to have kept my beta characters as well, it just wasn't an option, and That's that. I feel it shouldn't change just because people are playing on a console.

Bookwyrm · April 2015

Cudda wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

If they do, fine, it's none of my concern, but do I think they should? No, because it seems disingenuous to PC players, and we've had enough of that over the past few months.

As a PC gamer, you should be used to that if you played many games that have been on both systems.

Actually I'm normally a console gamer, but I've switched to PC for various reasons including the ability to play while someone else is using my TV.

Cudda · April 2015

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Actually I'm normally a console gamer, but I've switched to PC for various reasons including the ability to play while someone else is using my TV.

This is why i had to make sure there was a tv in every room lol

Bookwyrm · April 2015

Cudda wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Actually I'm normally a console gamer, but I've switched to PC for various reasons including the ability to play while someone else is using my TV.

This is why i had to make sure there was a tv in every room lol

Lol! Well, I try to confine it to the living room. If there's a TV in my bedroom or anything I won't sleep. Of course, then I just bring my laptop to bed and watch/play things on it...but...you know...>.> I have good intentions, anyway.

Naivefanboi · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

I'm really eager to play the console beta. That being said, I would hate to spend roughly a month progressing a character (while testing the game), only to have to do it all over again once the game goes live.

i wouldnt expect a beta to last for a month. would most likely be a weekend thing like they did on pc. and no progress shouldnt carry over but if enough people want it at this point go ahead not gonna hurt anything. especially since people can copy their pc account.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

EJRose83 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf What's the difference between caring over your beta progress, versus what you were able to accomplish on the PC game? It kind of seems as though you're just arbitrarily against the idea for no particular reason...

$50 a year ago is the difference.

pppontus · April 2015

Generally, nothing should ever carry over from a BETA. The things you can do in a pre-release game (or you know, weeks after release *cough* dupe bug *cough*) may not be possible in the released version. Or shouldn't, in case of bugs.

Plus, as previously said, it will be like a weekend most likely.. not gonna lose much.

Plus, they are gonna wipe all progress before copying the PC transfers or things will get very messy.

There are actually a lot of valid reasons not to do it