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Jauriel✭✭✭✭K2 check your inbox.
ZOS this pic proves why you need to disable travel to player. Ep poured in Azura tonight and zerg rolled over the entire map. They couldn't have done this without traveling to player. They travel in to a campaign in obscenely huge numbers and totally destroy the balance of a campaign. Make them choose a home and STAY THERE.6 -
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✭✭✭The better question here is why are AD and DC so under-populated at the height of east coast prime time? EP showed up to fight but yellow and blue are nowhere to be seen.
There are at least four different EP guilds now homed on Azura's, including my guild which has over 100 members. Travel to Player had nothing to do with the pop numbers for EP on AS.Edited by LonePirate on April 15, 2015 2:18AM3 -
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ZOS this pic proves why you need to disable travel to player. Ep poured in Azura tonight and zerg rolled over the entire map. They couldn't have done this without traveling to player. They travel in to a campaign in obscenely huge numbers and totally destroy the balance of a campaign. Make them choose a home and STAY THERE.
This should apply to everyone then.
I think you should look around on all the campaigns and see what happens.
All factions do the exact same thing as it is available to do so.
If your home camp is boring you guest over somewhere else where there is some action or swap all together.
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »The better question here is why are AD and DC so under-populated at the height of east coast prime time? EP showed up to fight but yellow and blue are nowhere to be seen.
There are at least four different EP guilds now homed on Azura's, including my guild which has over 100 members. Travel to Player had nothing to do with the pop numbers for EP on AS.
And why is that lone? Why did your 100 players feel the need to go to a campaign that is already struggling to maintain DC and ad pop and ALREADY HAD ENOUGH EP????
And you ep already there-do you feel
proud of nights like tonight when the only way you could have accomplished what you did was to outnumber the enemy so insanely?
Will ep only be happy when they have chased everyone off every campaign?and I still maintain this is a result of travel to player. There is NO way all those ep tonight are homed in AS.This should apply to everyone then.
I think you should look around on all the campaigns and see what happens.
All factions do the exact same thing as it is available to do so.
If your home camp is boring you guest over somewhere else where there is some action or swap all together.
But the only one who benefits from travel to player is the highest pop faction. They have the numbers to move around and hop from campaign to campaign helping out their comrades with their zergs and dramatically impacting every campaign and distorting and perverting each campaign by merely overwhelming the underpopulated factions. If their campaign is boring? Oh well. They made their bed they need to lie in it rather than crapping up everyone else's.Edited by Jauriel on April 15, 2015 2:38AM6 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭akredon_ESO wrote: »Dat 1 bar of DC on TB so funny. i laugh every time i see it
Same here. We all do. 2 -
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✭✭They need dynamic population caps. A faction should be locked if they have a certain % more players then the next highest faction. Put the EP in queues! Banish them allll. NA | PC | Aldmeri DominionLaser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of BlackwaterFormer Emperor x11 campaign cyclesVenatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel15 -
DezIsDead✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »They need dynamic population caps. A faction should be locked if they have a certain % more players then the next highest faction. Put the EP in queues! Banish them allll.
this idea is probably the only way to really even the population caps. however doing this would cause so much EP rage it would be astounding, i would probably rage as well. also how would you address an issue where say, a guild leaves the campaign together to travel to another campaign? Just boot players from the other factions and make them re que?Dez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭Sounds good to me, Stalker. Something needs to be done. ZOS PLEASE take a look at the situation.3
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✭✭✭✭As it stands now, the pop imbalances are stupid lopsided.
Hey ZOS when are you going to actually fix the low pop bonus, and increase the AP and experience gains for the low faction? Everyone can see EP outnumbers DC 4-1 and AD 3-1.
As it stands right now, to call this AvAvA is a joke, the populations are way to unbalanced to work.
If ZOS doesn't do something, and soon, all the campaigns will look like thornblade then EP can sit around with an empty cyrodiil and no one to fight.
DC and AD are not locked at primetime because we don't have the players and many are sick and tired of the ridiclious pop.imbalance and ZOS doing nothing about it that they refuse to even bother with cyrodiil anymore because its pointless. No matter how skilled you are the red zerg will always be there to steam roll ya 4-1, its a waste of time.
Ahh well I'm over the red zerg, impossible to find any even numbered fights anymore, its nothing but red zetg here, red zerg there, zerg, zerg,zerg. Using travel to player to flood a campaign red to crown their friends on a campaign they don't even home...its pathetic.
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Spam fear on them just to make sure.however doing this would cause so much EP rage it would be astoundingalso how would you address an issue where say, a guild leaves the campaign together to travel to another campaign? Just boot players from the other factions and make them re que?
It wouldn't affect people already in the campaign. There could be some leniency for those trying to play with group members already inside the locked campaign.
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✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »The better question here is why are AD and DC so under-populated at the height of east coast prime time? EP showed up to fight but yellow and blue are nowhere to be seen.
There are at least four different EP guilds now homed on Azura's, including my guild which has over 100 members. Travel to Player had nothing to do with the pop numbers for EP on AS.
And why is that lone? Why did your 100 players feel the need to go to a campaign that is already struggling to maintain DC and ad pop and ALREADY HAD ENOUGH EP????
We moved here over two weeks ago because it was the only campaign besides Chillrend where all three populations regularly locked in the evening. Not only that but both AD and DC would sweep the map at different hours of the day thus giving EP more targets over the entire 24 hour cycle. And maybe you weren't paying attention but EP finished a distant third during the AS campaign that ended the other day. We will not let that happen again.
Edited by LonePirate on April 15, 2015 2:55AM5 -
Angavar✭✭✭Been saying this for literally the last 6 months.. Dynamic scaling needs to be added, whether its population, NPC health/damage, player buffs for underpopulated factions, or keep health..
I'm guessing the devs were banking on b2p evening out the factions, but its only made it worse if anything.
There are many possible solutions, continuing to ignore the situation will only damage PvP further.
If you can't fix the lag, at least do something about the faction imbalance..S'irinar the Shadow - VR14 NB (AD)
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Caza99✭✭✭✭Makes me laugh that everyone assumes that every EP player is the same. While EP is definately the most populated faction in PvP, both AD and DC are guilty of zerging as well.
There are so many ignorant threads from AD and DC players, in regards to EP zergs and population, completely ignoring the actions of their own faction.
As AD and DC players, you have next to no idea of what goes on. All you see are certain groups zerging, night capping, etc. You don't see the zone chats, the guild chats, the group chats or the whispers. Many AD and DC players are blind to their own factions doings, as are many EP.
As an EP, I can honestly say I have not zerged. Ever. And I do not plan on doing it any time soon. I despise zergs, and the day I participate in one, is the day I quit ESO PvP.
What I'm saying is, I am proof that not every EP is a zergling. EP are not the only ones who zerg and night cap. It frustrates me to know that because I'm EP, people immediately assume I'm a zergling with no skill.
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭As it stands now, the pop imbalances are stupid lopsided.
Hey ZOS when are you going to actually fix the low pop bonus, and increase the AP and experience gains for the low faction? Everyone can see EP outnumbers DC 4-1 and AD 3-1.
As it stands right now, to call this AvAvA is a joke, the populations are way to unbalanced to work.
If ZOS doesn't do something, and soon, all the campaigns will look like thornblade then EP can sit around with an empty cyrodiil and no one to fight.
DC and AD are not locked at primetime because we don't have the players and many are sick and tired of the ridiclious pop.imbalance and ZOS doing nothing about it that they refuse to even bother with cyrodiil anymore because its pointless. No matter how skilled you are the red zerg will always be there to steam roll ya 4-1, its a waste of time.
Ahh well I'm over the red zerg, impossible to find any even numbered fights anymore, its nothing but red zetg here, red zerg there, zerg, zerg,zerg. Using travel to player to flood a campaign red to crown their friends on a campaign they don't even home...its pathetic.
What is truly nauseating is that the so called high and mighty holier than thou ep players will come along tonight and claim what happened on AS was fair play and how awesome they are as a faction and will pat one another on the back for a job well done. They're nothing more than THUGS in a gang who think they're supah cool when they pile 4 THUGS on one guy and beat the crap out of him.2 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »They need dynamic population caps. A faction should be locked if they have a certain % more players then the next highest faction. Put the EP in queues! Banish them allll.
this idea is probably the only way to really even the population caps. however doing this would cause so much EP rage it would be astounding, i would probably rage as well. also how would you address an issue where say, a guild leaves the campaign together to travel to another campaign? Just boot players from the other factions and make them re que?
Is there some reason anyone should concern themselves with ep rage? They're due for it.0 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »The better question here is why are AD and DC so under-populated at the height of east coast prime time? EP showed up to fight but yellow and blue are nowhere to be seen.
There are at least four different EP guilds now homed on Azura's, including my guild which has over 100 members. Travel to Player had nothing to do with the pop numbers for EP on AS.
And why is that lone? Why did your 100 players feel the need to go to a campaign that is already struggling to maintain DC and ad pop and ALREADY HAD ENOUGH EP????
We moved here over two weeks ago because it was the only campaign besides Chillrend where all three populations regularly locked in the evening. Not only that but both AD and DC would sweep the map at different hours of the day thus giving EP more targets over the entire 24 hour cycle. And maybe you weren't paying attention but EP finished a distant third during the AS campaign that ended the other day. We will not let that happen again.
This is a flat out LIE. AS has not poplocked for DC. Nor has it poplocked for ad. Maybe for a short time on a weekend night. So please. Just please. You came here because your group and your ilk destroyed TB with these SAME tactics and now you want to do it to AS. And you won't be happy until you do. And when you do then what? When both TB and AS are ep buff campaigns because of these tactics of calling in your 200 ep buddies to travel to player and lock up a campaign and zerg the map...then what will you do? What campaign will be next? Will all of you not be happy until every campaign is an ep buff server and nobody is pvp'ing except ep?2 -
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✭✭✭It sounds like someone is upset that DC is no longer lording over a buff server. They have some competition now.4 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭AS was an Ad buff server. It wasn't a DC buff server. We don't have the numbers to form a buff server and no DC person who respects pvp wants one. We want fair and balanced and fun pvp. That's what we had until tonight. Tonight was insanity. And when it's the only way you guys can win it proves that one on one and against even odds you are all incompetent buffoons who only do this crap because you know you can't win when the fight is a fair one. You're thugs.
That's a great representation of EP mentality right there. Yet you think you're providing "competition".Edited by Jauriel on April 15, 2015 7:36PM1 -
Caza99✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »The better question here is why are AD and DC so under-populated at the height of east coast prime time? EP showed up to fight but yellow and blue are nowhere to be seen.
There are at least four different EP guilds now homed on Azura's, including my guild which has over 100 members. Travel to Player had nothing to do with the pop numbers for EP on AS.
And why is that lone? Why did your 100 players feel the need to go to a campaign that is already struggling to maintain DC and ad pop and ALREADY HAD ENOUGH EP????
We moved here over two weeks ago because it was the only campaign besides Chillrend where all three populations regularly locked in the evening. Not only that but both AD and DC would sweep the map at different hours of the day thus giving EP more targets over the entire 24 hour cycle. And maybe you weren't paying attention but EP finished a distant third during the AS campaign that ended the other day. We will not let that happen again.
This is a flat out LIE. AS has not poplocked for DC. Nor has it poplocked for ad. Maybe for a short time on a weekend night. So please. Just please. You came here because your group and your ilk destroyed TB with these SAME tactics and now you want to do it to AS. And you won't be happy until you do. And when you do then what? When both TB and AS are ep buff campaigns because of these tactics of calling in your 200 ep buddies to travel to player and lock up a campaign and zerg the map...then what will you do? What campaign will be next? Will all of you not be happy until every campaign is an ep buff server and nobody is pvp'ing except ep?
" these tactics of calling in your 200 ep buddies"
Both AD and DC have been known to do this.
It amuses me that people immediately accuse EP of things like this, without first recognizing that their own faction has done it too.PC NA - @MercerESO4 -
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✭✭✭AS was an Ad buff server. It wasn't a DC buff server. We don't have the numbers to form a buff server and no DC person who respects pvp wants one. We want fair and balanced and fun pvp. That's what we had until tonight. Tonight was insanity. And when it's the only way you guys can win it proves that one on one and against even odds you are all incompetent buffoons who only do this crap because you know you can't win when the fight is a fair one. You're thugs.
That's a great representation of DC mentality right there.
Hmmm. If you are telling the truth, then how did DC win this most recent AS campaign by roughly 60K points? It was not a DC buff server, huh?
And DC never locks AS? Well, this must be an optimcal illusion then.
Edited by LonePirate on April 15, 2015 3:46AM2 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭Caza what is your point exactly? Neither the AD nor the DC (who have been there for several weeks) have once done on AS what ep did tonight. I could *maybe* see if this was a routine thing each faction was doing to one another. But it isn't. Until tonight it was relatively clean and well balanced fights. What ep did tonight was throw all of that into chaos in the space of an hour by absolutely flooding the campaign with huge enormous numbers. They prove time and again their willingness to exploit their population advantage to dominate a campaign and ruin the game for everyone else. But hey they delude themselves into actually thinking they're being competitive.2
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »AS was an Ad buff server. It wasn't a DC buff server. We don't have the numbers to form a buff server and no DC person who respects pvp wants one. We want fair and balanced and fun pvp. That's what we had until tonight. Tonight was insanity. And when it's the only way you guys can win it proves that one on one and against even odds you are all incompetent buffoons who only do this crap because you know you can't win when the fight is a fair one. You're thugs.
That's a great representation of DC mentality right there.
Hmmm. If you are telling the truth, then how did DC win this most recent AS campaign by roughly 60K points? It was not a DC buff server, huh?
And DC never locks AS? Well, this must be an optimcal illusion then.
Date of this pic? Please note I said "maybe for a short time on a weekend night". I have been on AS nearly every single night for 2-3 weeks from 5-10 est. I have never once seen DC poplocked.Edited by Jauriel on April 15, 2015 3:51AM0 -
Waylander✭✭✭✭The population imbalance is just that. For whatever reason, EP is the most populous faction over a 24 hour period on nearly all servers.
Blaming EP for the mechanics of a population imbalance is short sighted and unfair on EP.
The driver may be a number of things from lore, previous titles, races or how interesting the starting zones are. Ultimately, ZOS should address the driver for the imbalance, rather than applying a band aid to make it feel all better.
I can only see a few ways for this to be easily solved.
1. A few of the larger EP guilds that care about the state of balance in PvP re-roll for DC or AD
2. ZOS allows EP to transfer current characters to a different faction until they achieve a certain equitable level of active playerbase on each faction.
Obviously the first option is something that takes time and dedication from that guild, and could split the guild if not everyone wanted to reinvest that time into a new character. We saw the power of guilds re-rolling when several AD guilds left for EP to help with population imbalance early on.
The second option alleviates this problem, but without being careful, ZOS could just tilt the scales in a different direction. It seems winning builds population base also, because we all like to win.Nocturnal - AD Oceanic PvP Guild
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My point is, you're making it out as if ALL of EP are at fault. As if ALL of EP are zerglings and skill-less. As if it's *only* EP at fault. Which is totally wrong. And well-balanced fights?! You must be delusional. And as for "routine thing" - unless you've been living under a rock for the last 6 months, you'd know that what occured tonight, has been done multiple times by both AD and DC players as well. Blue and yellow have been known to swarm campaigns, not just reds. Blue and yellow players have been known to zerg, gate camp and night camp, not just reds - all the things that people have accused just EP of doing.Caza what is your point exactly? Neither the AD nor the DC (who have been there for several weeks) have once done on AS what ep did tonight. I could *maybe* see if this was a routine thing each faction was doing to one another. But it isn't. Until tonight it was relatively clean and well balanced fights. What ep did tonight was throw all of that into chaos in the space of an hour by absolutely flooding the campaign with huge enormous numbers. They prove time and again their willingness to exploit their population advantage to dominate a campaign and ruin the game for everyone else. But hey they delude themselves into actually thinking they're being competitive.
Edited by Caza99 on April 15, 2015 4:00AMPC NA - @MercerESO7
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