The actual patch was a kick in the ...ts for many players. Especially for non-nb/sorc casual players it feels like it turned the whole game into an egoshooter.
Btw, forward Camps were a sake. If we'd still have forward camps I wouldn't mind so much about being one shotted.

I spent and actually do spend most time in this game riding on my horse or getting one/two-shotted (not in light armor). Sometimes I'd just simply spend hours in a keep or trying to get into those teams which obtain "not so bad CP".
The whole game is very casual and beginner unfriendly. The gap of items vs. spec's is too large and there're too many item-combinations (like the 3-set part bonus which gives you AE-damage) which give you too much of an advantage. The last patch just make things worse but the game clearly did not develop much on the pvp-side which is the only interesting one for me.

I stopped doing PvE in last years summer, when there came content every few weeks (vr 12, vr 14, craglorn, etc.) that was too much.

To the DK, actually, I think the class still has the best ultimates and is favorized (soo many skills). Templars feel much worse atm than DKs. Much, so much worse...

Gidorick wrote: »

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If ZOS can't nail this down before console release then ESO will fail. The Console player-base is MUCH less forgiving than the PC player base. They'll drop ESO faster than a dub-step song drops its beat.
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We should not make any assumptions regarding the state of the console versions based on what we see on the PC/Mac platform. The console versions will have no problems with hacking, and their original networking code might work just fine on those platforms. Around launch, the servers were easily able to handle massive battles in a full campaign. Their marketing of "massive, epic battles with hundreds of players on-screen" is not just fantasies. It is based on what they were actually able to achieve in real tests. Then, sadly, the hacking botters and cheaters arrived. They always do on the PC platform, and it was naive of ZOS not to anticipate it. They got rid of the hacker scum by having the server double check lots of things that were designed to be done locally by the client, but the PvP part of the game has not worked properly since.

Going to reply before reading cause they will assume it's a good bye thread and lock it like rochechecas thread which wasn't a goodbye thread.

Come to Azuras, I got 2 inferno master staffs last night. If not level up a EP so we can play together. Shoot it might even be fun to try duoing as a 2 man orange group against dc. That build I told you about is working pretty well and still gives you some of that old school DK in 5L. I made it based on the stuff I run into in 1.6 so its adequate.

Nuuuuuuu don't leave us Xors!

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

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If ZOS can't nail this down before console release then ESO will fail. The Console player-base is MUCH less forgiving than the PC player base. They'll drop ESO faster than a dub-step song drops its beat.
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We should not make any assumptions regarding the state of the console versions based on what we see on the PC/Mac platform. The console versions will have no problems with hacking, and their original networking code might work just fine on those platforms. Around launch, the servers were easily able to handle massive battles in a full campaign. Their marketing of "massive, epic battles with hundreds of players on-screen" is not just fantasies. It is based on what they were actually able to achieve in real tests. Then, sadly, the hacking botters and cheaters arrived. They always do on the PC platform, and it was naive of ZOS not to anticipate it. They got rid of the hacker scum by having the server double check lots of things that were designed to be done locally by the client, but the PvP part of the game has not worked properly since.

Hacking botters and cheaters? I've never seen any in Cyro. I've seen exploiters, but I've never seen hackers in this game

Weberda wrote: »

He'll be back. He'll get bored with PvE eventually since there's little human interaction (which he thrives on) and Panda will return.

Agreed here. I also want to reiterate what some other players have said above: I've never had such a love/hate relationship with a game. When Cyrodiil PvP works it is absolutely the most fun I've had in a video game in a decade. When it doesn't work... (keyboard smash)

Next! I would like to extend a warm invitation to EP to come to Haderus. LoM has recently been demolishing AD on a nightly basis... we would like some more competition to spice things up. Also! Lag-free fights. And a scrollmen or three.

Jauriel wrote: »

Ep are def needed on had. NOT on AS. The ep already there agree there are enough there already.

I guess the Thorn EP migrated to AS when they realized how badly they destroyed PvP on Thornblade.

FOR THE FORUM ADMINS,

This is NOT A GOODBYE THREAD (I don't think) Panda's just fed up with PvP and will be focusing on PvE until PvP is addressed.

It's getting to be FAR too common that threads posting gripes about a certain system are being closed as goodbye threads when they aren't.

Weberda wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Going to reply before reading cause they will assume it's a good bye thread and lock it like rochechecas thread.

Come to Azuras, I got 2 inferno master staffs last night. If not level up a EP so we can play together. Shoot it might even be fun to try duoing as a 2 man orange group against dc. (still writing)

He'll be back. He'll get bored with PvE eventually since there's little human interaction (which he thrives on) and Panda will return.

Well, I suppose I'm a little human he can interract with for the interim... I suppose I'll do my best to keep him entertained.

Hey @Panda244, feel like carrying me through DSA?

Shunravi wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Going to reply before reading cause they will assume it's a good bye thread and lock it like rochechecas thread.

Come to Azuras, I got 2 inferno master staffs last night. If not level up a EP so we can play together. Shoot it might even be fun to try duoing as a 2 man orange group against dc. (still writing)

He'll be back. He'll get bored with PvE eventually since there's little human interaction (which he thrives on) and Panda will return.

Well, I suppose I'm a little human he can interract with for the interim... I suppose I'll do my best to keep him entertained.

Hey @Panda244, feel like carrying me through DSA?

Actually, as you probably know, it's the other way around. He'll keep you entertained.

Draxys wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

FOR THE FORUM ADMINS,

This is NOT A GOODBYE THREAD (I don't think) Panda's just fed up with PvP and will be focusing on PvE until PvP is addressed.

It's getting to be FAR too common that threads posting gripes about a certain system are being closed as goodbye threads when they aren't.

They unfortunately don't always pay attention to context when closing/banning/etc... That's why Huntlar got his most recent ban.

#freehuntlar

I understand the Admins are human and make mistakes and all that, but attention to detail is key in everything facet of life.

Panda244 wrote: »

For starters. 1.6, absolutely gutted, Dragonknight's playstyle, we adapted, we changed builds, we moved on, but it legitimately broke the LA Sword/Board meta that we had been running for 7 months, until of course we grind out enough CP to balance the odds. This isn't my personal opinion on the matter, Dragonknights held the mantle a little too high for a long time, but still. To absolutely gut their playstyle, intentionally or not, was stupid. Damage as of 1.6, is broke, regardless of what other people say, there are so many abilities right now hitting for 60-80% of people's hitpools it's ridiculous, if I wanted a game where you died this fast in PvP I would be playing by Xbone and CoD. Wrecking Blow, Lethal Arrow, Meteor, Incap Strike, just to name a few.

While the TTL (time to live) in PVP definitely needs to be improved a bit (probably by dropping damage vs other players), I have to remark to the first part of this.

The pre-1.6 DK playstyle of LA Tank with unlimited sustain needed to die. It needed to be destroyed as thoroughly as Carthage. It was an unbalanced, unwelcome, and unnecessary playstyle. It contributed to the dearth of PVP players as much as lag and other bugs.

I know, I was one. I tried other builds as well as often as I could because I found it, inherently, unchallenging, If the chips were down, though, and I needed those kills/wins, back I went. I remember the godlike powers that an early game DK Emperor had and how it synergized so well with the imbalanced DK powers. No player should be so good at tanking, and sustain, and killing power all in one package with no real drawbacks.

DKs are finally in a much, much better place. Banner's a touch too expensive for what it does now and Lava Whip desperately needs a Stamina morph, but a DK can now be tanky without being an unkillable god murdering the noobs far and wide.

There are plenty of good reasons to have issues with the game. DK balance isn't one of them.

Jauriel wrote: »

#freeHuntler

Panda's thread has been hijacked.

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

I understand the frustration. I've been playing a DK like a NB or sorc, depending who you talk to, since 1.4, avoiding the meta of my class. Now that bow and 2 hander is the new thing I have to look up new ways to be unique other than not using wrecking blow 6-7 times in under 2 seconds.

Still, I find my fun moments with certain builds, though the champion point and AP grind to be effective with them is a daunting one. If you want to return with a lowbie to troll high levels with siege and CC effects let me knowx I'll run with ya AD side =3

Don't mention "bow" to Panda in any shape or form. He'll have a seizure.

Shunravi wrote: »

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

I understand the frustration. I've been playing a DK like a NB or sorc, depending who you talk to, since 1.4, avoiding the meta of my class. Now that bow and 2 hander is the new thing I have to look up new ways to be unique other than not using wrecking blow 6-7 times in under 2 seconds.

Still, I find my fun moments with certain builds, though the champion point and AP grind to be effective with them is a daunting one. If you want to return with a lowbie to troll high levels with siege and CC effects let me knowx I'll run with ya AD side =3

Did we get your spider build ironed out? Or it's it just not going to work....

It works group wise, outside of that the annoyance factor goes up more when the proper mechanics are in place...