Buffs.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2015

So yea 3 choices. You pick and give reason and maybe ZoS will take note and do something about it once and for all.

Ley · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

I can't say that I care about this a great deal and I've never joined a pvp server just for the buffs. I just think that it's nice to know that you're helping out your entire faction, when you pvp.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

Ley wrote: »

I can't say that I care about this a great deal and I've never joined a pvp server just for the buffs. I just think that it's nice to know that you're helping out your entire faction, when you pvp.

Yes you maybe helping out your entire faction but the buffs in pve does cause buff servers and when comes to buff servers some players and there zerg groups will pvdoor. As some may know Haderus is pretty heated right now sure EP and DC get a good day in but at the end of the day the AD zergs come out and take back everything and pushes both factions to the doors undoing there entire day work in a hour or 2 just cause there always at 3 or 2 bars.

Now what's the fun in pvping if all the hard work you and your faction does is undone in a hour by another faction who outnumber and keeps you at your gate till every one gets home from work jsut to push out of the gate and take a few keeps just to have those immeatly taken away as soon as every one logs to go to bed to go to work tommarow?

I in my opinion if they remove buffs from pve and pvp in general that would basicly sort out who really wants to pvp and have fun and doesn't just wanna do it for the buffs so they can have good trial times. Cause it would eliminate buff servers and prove any faction (or more commanly guilds) who still thinks they need to own a map is full of "it" and should quiet the game and let those who want to have fun have it.

Cody · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

PvP is garbage now. fix it or remove it and make ESO a full on PvE game.

Forestd16b14_ESO · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

Cody wrote: »

PvP is garbage now. fix it or remove it and make ESO a full on PvE game.

Well it's not garbage just players are PvPing for the wrong reasons. Reason why pvers pvp is simply for those buffs. If you pvp do it cause you want to have fun not for a small health boost. I was a pver at the start but then did pvp and found it fun and started to do half and half not for the buffs but cause I found it fun. But as you said it is in a very bad spot right now cause alot of players do it for wrong reason again being for the buffs or to be emperor. So again my opinion riding buffs from pve and pvp could be a right step into making pvp fun again cause there be no reason for buff servers or 24/7 players players be doing it jsut for fun whihc it's meant to be.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Way I see it, is and I may be flamed for this, shrugs....:P

In the EU campaigns, a lot of PvE`ers don`t bother to fight for buffs, and whine that they have none, which really irritates me, way I see it is this: All buffs should only apply to the brave warriors who actually fight for them, PvE peeps just take it for granted that they will get buffs, and leave everything to us to get them.

Selfish in the extreme, I do know a number of HC PvE`ers who have actually came and fought for buffs, and I respect that.

But to wrap it up, you want your buffs, then fight for them....

End growling rant...

Samadhi · April 2015

Presuming option 3 is meant to read "Get rid of PvP buffs in general." ?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

ZOS keeps trying to justify it as an 'incentive' but the thing is a pve guild doing pve raids shouldn't be worrying about buffs under any circumstances except for what they can provide for themselves with class abilities, potions, and food. If ZOS wants to give people incentives for pvp, add more PVP PVE Content. The amount of dungeons available in Cyro is only a fraction of what is possible. Places like Fanacascuel and Vilverin are just placeholders now, same with Cloud Ruler Temple. IC is still a few months away. I'm patient but not everyone is, and not everyone is chill with entire factions throwing a rampaging hissy fit when a farm or fort turns a different color. Every faction is guilty of it, but it's never been more apparent and more hideous with Haderus. People keep screaming for more servers, more space because they can't stand the queue. There's a perfectly useable server right over here and no one has the balls to even try. Then again it might have to do with a certain neurotic nightblade actively shunning other members of his own faction to maintain his personal AP farm....

Some_Jerk · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

The buffs concept is good but the nature of the buffs needs to change. Keep buffs should be things like exp bonus, gold find bonus, inspiration boost. Elder scrolls should provide a bonus to stats or damages or w/e. Emperor health bonus shouldn't be a thing. I love the buffs and they're a great idea but they need to be toned down

Steinschlag · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

I like the Buffsystem, so keep them

DaveMoeDee · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Get rid of the buffs for PvE. I love having the buffs, but it is probably better to leave PvP to those who really want to play PvP. Removing buffs will remove pressures to seek unbalanced servers.

Lhorion · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Steinschlag wrote: »

I like the Buffsystem, so keep them

Do you do pvp? You like buff campagns? Interesting...

AltusVenifus · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Not sure why I care though... I don't pve...

Armitas · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

I personally don't care about the pve buffs. I tend to play on the oppositions buff server and rarely have any buffs anyway. I chose this option because this has a major draw on PvErs. It causes PvErs that would otherwise never enter cyrodiil to take an interest in it. When ZOS does a census on how many PvPers it has, it will show far more than would actually be considered PvPers. I think that higher population number will go a long way toward steering more resources into PvP. If we appear to have a large player base we will get more attention, if we appear to be a small player base we will get less attention.

Sphinx2318 · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

Why change anything at all? There is absolutely nothing wrong with how things are right now. OP, with all of the bugs and issues in game you are going to pick on this?

Just..........wow...

Rook_Master · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Having these buffs in PvE poisoned the campaigns from the very beginning.

Having "Buff" servers is BS. It's not as bad as it used to be, but the perverse incentives are still there.

Get rid of them, please.

Alcast · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

PvP buffs? Whats that? They exist?

Never seen any on Pact side EU LoL

Phinix1 · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

All you entitled tough guys whining about how those PVE carebears don't deserve your precious buffs as if they weren't right next to you earning them in PVP. There is no black and white line between PVP/PVE. Most that do one also do the other.

If they DO go against what they have repeatedly said, which is that they are NOT taking them away, then ZOS will need to radically alter their focus for PVP use.

Right now the 15% XP/CP gain you can get from PVP buffs is the best you can get in the game. It is 50% better than the 10% you get for PAYING them $14 a month! Tell me how THAT makes sense?

On top of that, Cyrodiil is the only viable grind zone for Champion Points post v14.

That means not only do they put all the content to advance in the game in the PVP zone, but now you elitists want to give ONLY people in that zone the 15% XP bonus as well, because reasons?

Yeah, that's not selfish and shortsighted at all.

thelordoffelines · April 2015

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

All you entitled tough guys whining about how those PVE carebears don't deserve your precious buffs as if they weren't right next to you earning them in PVP. There is no black and white line between PVP/PVE. Most that do one also do the other.

If they DO go against what they have repeatedly said, which is that they are NOT taking them away, then ZOS will need to radically alter their focus for PVP use.

Right now the 15% XP/CP gain you can get from PVP buffs is the best you can get in the game. It is 50% better than the 10% you get for PAYING them $14 a month! Tell me how THAT makes sense?

On top of that, Cyrodiil is the only viable grind zone for Champion Points post v14.

That means not only do they put all the content to advance in the game in the PVP zone, but now you elitists want to give ONLY people in that zone the 15% XP bonus as well, because reasons?

Yeah, that's not selfish and shortsighted at all.

I dont understand... You think its elitist to want to use a campaign for what it was meant for -pvp, but its not elitist for you to come on these forums and whine about how you dont get buffs?

Rylana · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

This is the cancer that has caused the population imbalances on all the campaigns since launch

ToRelax · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

All you entitled tough guys whining about how those PVE carebears don't deserve your precious buffs as if they weren't right next to you earning them in PVP. There is no black and white line between PVP/PVE. Most that do one also do the other.

If they DO go against what they have repeatedly said, which is that they are NOT taking them away, then ZOS will need to radically alter their focus for PVP use.

Right now the 15% XP/CP gain you can get from PVP buffs is the best you can get in the game. It is 50% better than the 10% you get for PAYING them $14 a month! Tell me how THAT makes sense?

On top of that, Cyrodiil is the only viable grind zone for Champion Points post v14.

That means not only do they put all the content to advance in the game in the PVP zone, but now you elitists want to give ONLY people in that zone the 15% XP bonus as well, because reasons?

Yeah, that's not selfish and shortsighted at all.

Do you think it's fun having the current state of Cyrodiil influencing your PvE success?
And the problem with the Champion System is that you constantly become stronger than other players through grinding exp, not where or wich mobs you kill.
To me you sound rather shortsighted.

Cody · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

ZOS keeps trying to justify it as an 'incentive' but the thing is a pve guild doing pve raids shouldn't be worrying about buffs under any circumstances except for what they can provide for themselves with class abilities, potions, and food. If ZOS wants to give people incentives for pvp, add more PVP PVE Content. The amount of dungeons available in Cyro is only a fraction of what is possible. Places like Fanacascuel and Vilverin are just placeholders now, same with Cloud Ruler Temple. IC is still a few months away. I'm patient but not everyone is, and not everyone is chill with entire factions throwing a rampaging hissy fit when a farm or fort turns a different color. Every faction is guilty of it, but it's never been more apparent and more hideous with Haderus. People keep screaming for more servers, more space because they can't stand the queue. There's a perfectly useable server right over here and no one has the balls to even try. Then again it might have to do with a certain neurotic nightblade actively shunning other members of his own faction to maintain his personal AP farm....

i was in haderus when it was liberated for that short month. It took the cooperation of quite a few DC and EP guilds to pull it off, but it was possible.

gonna have to get some guilds together to do it. The gate campers of haderus are strong in number, but not in overall skill. Once you get them in an even match, the battle is yours.

Cody · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

PvP is garbage now. fix it or remove it and make ESO a full on PvE game.

Well it's not garbage just players are PvPing for the wrong reasons. Reason why pvers pvp is simply for those buffs. If you pvp do it cause you want to have fun not for a small health boost. I was a pver at the start but then did pvp and found it fun and started to do half and half not for the buffs but cause I found it fun. But as you said it is in a very bad spot right now cause alot of players do it for wrong reason again being for the buffs or to be emperor. So again my opinion riding buffs from pve and pvp could be a right step into making pvp fun again cause there be no reason for buff servers or 24/7 players players be doing it jsut for fun whihc it's meant to be.

the people that camp the gates for the buffs are selfish jerks(yes, i just called those people that, because that is what they ultimately are) who have had a hand in ruining PvP. PvP buffs being available in PvE has caused factions to turn entire campaigns into soulless "buff servers" and have ruined quite a large portion of PvP for both the hardcore PvPers and the casual PvPers/PvErs giving it a go.

some call me elitist. Well then tell me, how is hogging a server to your faction and preventing others from playing by camping the gates with 5x their number any better? answer, it is not. the people that do this intentionally ruin the game for others over buffs for PvE content, and it is disgusting.

I've even had some one tell me its "competitive" how is that competitive? How is camping your enemies spawn for 5 hours competitive?

so yes, I agree with you I suppose.

bah, idk why im even here. I just told PVP to screw off last night. lol

joshisanonymous · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

PvP buffs in PvE are an incentive for PvE players to enter Cyrodiil. It's a key element to tying the two systems together in a way that feels cohesive and meaningful.

The problem really is that there's no need to commit to a campaign. It either has to be much more difficult to switch campaigns or populations have to increase to where it's not possible to maintain any campaign as a buff campaign.

Ezareth · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

Cody wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

PvP is garbage now. fix it or remove it and make ESO a full on PvE game.

Well it's not garbage just players are PvPing for the wrong reasons. Reason why pvers pvp is simply for those buffs. If you pvp do it cause you want to have fun not for a small health boost. I was a pver at the start but then did pvp and found it fun and started to do half and half not for the buffs but cause I found it fun. But as you said it is in a very bad spot right now cause alot of players do it for wrong reason again being for the buffs or to be emperor. So again my opinion riding buffs from pve and pvp could be a right step into making pvp fun again cause there be no reason for buff servers or 24/7 players players be doing it jsut for fun whihc it's meant to be.

the people that camp the gates for the buffs are selfish jerks(yes, i just called those people that, because that is what they ultimately are) who have had a hand in ruining PvP. PvP buffs being available in PvE has caused factions to turn entire campaigns into soulless "buff servers" and have ruined quite a large portion of PvP for both the hardcore PvPers and the casual PvPers/PvErs giving it a go.

some call me elitist. Well then tell me, how is hogging a server to your faction and preventing others from playing by camping the gates with 5x their number any better? answer, it is not. the people that do this intentionally ruin the game for others over buffs for PvE content, and it is disgusting.

I've even had some one tell me its "competitive" how is that competitive? How is camping your enemies spawn for 5 hours competitive?

so yes, I agree with you I suppose.

bah, idk why im even here. I just told PVP to screw off last night. lol

I camp gates when I need the AP to get my Tier 3 for the campaign and there is no where else to get it. That's the problem with the campaign not being balanced, not with the gate campers.

Besides your reward for getting gate camped is you get double AP for every kill since you get Dticks as well.

I think PvE buffs should exist as it is the only way you're going to continue to infuse Cyrodiil with new players and new blood. If Cyrodiil becomes isolated and its own game, then the death of PvP accelerates.

Cody · April 2015

Get rid of PvP in general. No buffs for PvP or PvE.

Ezareth wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

PvP is garbage now. fix it or remove it and make ESO a full on PvE game.

Well it's not garbage just players are PvPing for the wrong reasons. Reason why pvers pvp is simply for those buffs. If you pvp do it cause you want to have fun not for a small health boost. I was a pver at the start but then did pvp and found it fun and started to do half and half not for the buffs but cause I found it fun. But as you said it is in a very bad spot right now cause alot of players do it for wrong reason again being for the buffs or to be emperor. So again my opinion riding buffs from pve and pvp could be a right step into making pvp fun again cause there be no reason for buff servers or 24/7 players players be doing it jsut for fun whihc it's meant to be.

the people that camp the gates for the buffs are selfish jerks(yes, i just called those people that, because that is what they ultimately are) who have had a hand in ruining PvP. PvP buffs being available in PvE has caused factions to turn entire campaigns into soulless "buff servers" and have ruined quite a large portion of PvP for both the hardcore PvPers and the casual PvPers/PvErs giving it a go.

some call me elitist. Well then tell me, how is hogging a server to your faction and preventing others from playing by camping the gates with 5x their number any better? answer, it is not. the people that do this intentionally ruin the game for others over buffs for PvE content, and it is disgusting.

I've even had some one tell me its "competitive" how is that competitive? How is camping your enemies spawn for 5 hours competitive?

so yes, I agree with you I suppose.

bah, idk why im even here. I just told PVP to screw off last night. lol

I camp gates when I need the AP to get my Tier 3 for the campaign and there is no where else to get it. That's the problem with the campaign not being balanced, not with the gate campers.

Besides your reward for getting gate camped is you get double AP for every kill since you get Dticks as well.

I think PvE buffs should exist as it is the only way you're going to continue to infuse Cyrodiil with new players and new blood. If Cyrodiil becomes isolated and its own game, then the death of PvP accelerates.

Getting camped at your factions gate for 5+ hours is not fun. Me and my faction getting potentially double AP for kills means absolutely nothing if we cant even leave our gates to do anything.

you support keeping PvP buffs in PvE? alright. so your reason is that it will keep PvErs attracted to PvP..

I respectfully disagree. I have seen TONS of people in PvP servers come ONLY when their buffs get threatened. Those guys dont give heads, tails, or scales about PvP, they just want their buffs. they are adding to the ruination of PvP and the buffs in PvE needs to go. "incentize"? it convinces people to camp their opponents spawns just for the buffs. How is that beneficial to PvP? or to particular servers such as haderus or thornblade? its not. In fact, just to give you a good example, one of vjoris' guilds whispered him, back during the time haderus got freed for that short month, to stop taking stuff in haderus. I remember, he told us in Teamspeak(good laugh we had too. lol) do you really think PvP needs people that dont care about PvP? I will leave you to answer that yourself.

obviously not every PvEr is like this, but its enough to the point it heavily damages PvP. thankfully, buff servers are dying a death(albiet slow) so perhaps in the future, buff servers will be gone, and no one will ever have to re-visit this dreadful topic again

IxSTALKERxI · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Keep PvP buffs but have them apply to PvP only. Remove them from PvE. I never leave cyrodiil anyway so it won't have a negative impact lol. It will also help discourage 'buff campaigns' and get rid of these pve players that take up queue space.

OrphanHelgen · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

showing off my color

Zhoyzu · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Unless pve players start handing me loot from trials and pledges they can start pvping for the buffs themselves.

They arent event that noticeable or useful in pvp and it promotes buff servers. i say get rid of it all together.

SafiyerAmitora · April 2015

Keep PvP buffs and keep them in PvE

Ezareth wrote: »

I think PvE buffs should exist as it is the only way you're going to continue to infuse Cyrodiil with new players and new blood. If Cyrodiil becomes isolated and its own game, then the death of PvP accelerates.

Aww... Just what I was gonna say.

vortexman11 · April 2015

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE

Get rid of PvP buffs from PvE. Or at least require a certain amount of attendance in Cyrodiil for these buffs to come into effect. No one should get free buffs just by homing a campaign.

And please don't remove PvP buffs completely...this will destroy the entire reasoning behind PvP other then faction scoring and to gain AP

Ezareth wrote: »

I think PvE buffs should exist as it is the only way you're going to continue to infuse Cyrodiil with new players and new blood. If Cyrodiil becomes isolated and its own game, then the death of PvP accelerates.

What??!!! Theres a part of this game that isn't in Cyrodiil?!?!!

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