Panda's Resignation - PvP Feedback

Panda244 · April 2015

Oh where do I begin... Some of you know me, most don't. Just your humble scrubby Dragonknight, from time to time I'm that Nightblade that pulled off a 360 Dodge Roll, Incap Strike, head shot, just a guy, and. I quit PvP. I can't do it anymore. No really.

Been playing in Cyrodiil since v14 probably two or three months after the game launched, and I loved it, and I still love it. But it's turned into that sick dog, that you love, but you need to put down because it's so bad. Now I'm not saying put down PvP, by the gods no. But I just can't do it anymore, between the lag, the broken or unbalanced skills, the crashes, the zergs, the bad player-base. I just physically cannot do it anymore, there's no incentive, there's no reward, there's no nothing. I don't doubt the fact that @ZOS_BrianWheeler and the rest of the PvP dev team is working hard to fix this, but for the time being I just cannot stand another moment in Cyrodiil. I don't know why I'm writing this post, maybe to vent, maybe cause I'm bored, drunk, or all of the above, but I'd just thought I'd get my thoughts out there for the general public because there's only one person on the entire planet that can ever get inside my head.

For starters. 1.6, absolutely gutted, Dragonknight's playstyle, we adapted, we changed builds, we moved on, but it legitimately broke the LA Sword/Board meta that we had been running for 7 months, until of course we grind out enough CP to balance the odds. This isn't my personal opinion on the matter, Dragonknights held the mantle a little too high for a long time, but still. To absolutely gut their playstyle, intentionally or not, was stupid. Damage as of 1.6, is broke, regardless of what other people say, there are so many abilities right now hitting for 60-80% of people's hitpools it's ridiculous, if I wanted a game where you died this fast in PvP I would be playing by Xbone and CoD. Wrecking Blow, Lethal Arrow, Meteor, Incap Strike, just to name a few.

Content, has been absolutely ignored. They removed more content than they added, FCs and Mercenaries, given both of these were crap to begin with and I like PvP better without FCs. The new siege is fun, PvP at dolmens and what not, honestly haven't bothered with the AP buff from dungeons because it'll be wasted in the 40min you ride around playing Horse Simulator Online: Tamriel Unlimited.

I dunno guys, I'll probably pop in every month or so to get at least 100 AP. Need to get those crappy purple rewards somehow, but definitely done with PvP as a whole. Gonna go hardcore carebear for the next few months and get some much needed gold for my broke ass. And that's it for me, gonna go grind DSA now. Love you all

Imdrefan · April 2015

Bye?

bellanca6561n · April 2015

Crap!

Thoughtful post, sir.

Panda244 · April 2015

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Crap!

Thoughtful post, sir.

I try when I can...

Imdrefan wrote: »

Bye?

Toodles.

Jauriel · April 2015

I am teetering this line myself. Or perhaps I am just PMS'ing.

Ezareth · April 2015

Posting in Nerf Sorc thread # 203,7...ohh wait... too soon?

I have a similar mindset man. My goal is to grind 5 CP a day until they fix the host of issues with the game with the occasional foray into Cyrodiil and associate ownage spree. I've never had a game that I've both loved and hated so much at the same time.

Don't know if I can handle full on Carebear though. Just a veteran dungeon run puts me to sleep like a lullaby.

Panda244 · April 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Posting in Nerf Sorc thread # 203,7...ohh wait... too soon?

I have a similar mindset man. My goal is to grind 5 CP a day until they fix the host of issues with the game with the occasional foray into Cyrodiil and associate ownage spree. I've never had a game that I've both loved and hated so much at the same time.

Don't know if I can handle full on Carebear though. Just a veteran dungeon run puts me to sleep like a lullaby.

I'm just going to grind DSA over and over until I get a Master's resto staff a Master's inferno staff and... No that's it.

Panda244 · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

I am teetering this line myself. Or perhaps I am just PMS'ing.

Perhaps both...? @Jauriel

Roselle · April 2015

Bye, Panda, if strictly on a sense that you replied to my mundane or silly comments when no one else would =p

Take care and be well.

Jauriel · April 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

I am teetering this line myself. Or perhaps I am just PMS'ing.

Perhaps both...? @Jauriel

Probs. And I agree with Ezareth-never had a game that elicited this love/hate response from me. It's like a drug: can't wait for my fix that makes me sick.

Panda244 · April 2015

Roselle wrote: »

Bye, Panda, if strictly on a sense that you replied to my mundane or silly comments when no one else would =p

Take care and be well.

I'm still playing the game you know

Just... Avoiding Cyrodiil like the plague.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2015

Yup same here, I didn't even go into cyrodiil at all.this evening.

I'm just gonna grind champ points, level my alt, and very occasionally go into cyrodiil. Least till the fix a host of serious issues.

I say this but watch me find myself back in there....

Galalin · April 2015

I agree with you 100% this whole 1.6 is a mess with the TTK and has made an even smaller gap between skill lvl and numbers. Its all based on sheer numbers now. I cant stress enough how much player skill has been taken out of the game.

DK SCRUB OUT

Xsorus · April 2015

I'm kind of some with my dk, I've gotten it to alliance rank 10. So I'm working Getting my nb setup for stamina and geared then I'll start back again lvling my sorc while my nb will be my pvp toon and dk my dungeon toon

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

Panda weren't you the one who told me to try soloing crag delves to find something to do? I don't know if people from diff alliances can grp and be in the same zone together, but I wouldn't mind doing some crag delves so we can measure each other's strength. Ilthag's Undertower is the only upper crag one I can solo mostly in its entirety, except for the arena event because even if I CAN kill the first set of mobs, if it isn't the stormie the size of a *** skyscraper it's the 8 DSA guards that spam stun your ass. I've been able to solo most of the lower crag ones except for Balamath (*** stormies) and Tombs of the Na-Totambu (*** gargoyles). The only end bosses I can't do are the lamia *** in Zalgaz's den and the steam centurion in that one place with the goblins.

It's just a suggestion if you want to pick nits together. I'm not trying to grind cp at all, usually I get 1-2 per day just pvping or doing whatever. I'm used to dying too, but I don't let it bother me so much because most of the time I either manage to take someone down that I didn't expect to, or I interfere so much that in the time they spend killing my squishy ass, the rest of the raid arrives to stomp them.

Really you shouldn't let yourself get so stressed out. It's good to take a break. I know I took something like 2-3 weeks off to do mostly pve including lvling up stealing, but that mostly had to do with Haderus getting completely and utterly stale.

I really would recommend you trying Azura's more for pvp. I seen you on the leaderboard but I hadn't actually SEEN you on the times I been on, and I been on alot.

so much so I got some goodies for the first time ever. AD on AS could use alot more people, and you guys cant' complain that EP dominates the map when we get doubleteamed down to 3 whole keeps.

YOU'RE NOT TAKING BACK YOUR SCROLL UNLESS ITS FROM MY COLD DEAD HAAAAANDS!!!

If anything you could try Cyro delves. The boosted xp is stupid, and you could either work on those obscure bosses like the one that takes *** 4 hours to spawn in Bloodmayne, or just chill out and kill any unsuspecting enemies that think they can sneak their way down there. I ended up eating a guy who'd actually killed another EP player that was grinding too. Yum!

Xiphyla · April 2015

Panda , let's play dota2 together.

Panda244 · April 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Panda weren't you the one who told me to try soloing crag delves to find something to do? I don't know if people from diff alliances can grp and be in the same zone together, but I wouldn't mind doing some crag delves so we can measure each other's strength. Ilthag's Undertower is the only upper crag one I can solo mostly in its entirety, except for the arena event because even if I CAN kill the first set of mobs, if it isn't the stormie the size of a *** skyscraper it's the 8 DSA guards that spam stun your ass. I've been able to solo most of the lower crag ones except for Balamath (*** stormies) and Tombs of the Na-Totambu (*** gargoyles). The only end bosses I can't do are the lamia *** in Zalgaz's den and the steam centurion in that one place with the goblins.

It's just a suggestion if you want to pick nits together. I'm not trying to grind cp at all, usually I get 1-2 per day just pvping or doing whatever. I'm used to dying too, but I don't let it bother me so much because most of the time I either manage to take someone down that I didn't expect to, or I interfere so much that in the time they spend killing my squishy ass, the rest of the raid arrives to stomp them.

Really you shouldn't let yourself get so stressed out. It's good to take a break. I know I took something like 2-3 weeks off to do mostly pve including lvling up stealing, but that mostly had to do with Haderus getting completely and utterly stale.

I really would recommend you trying Azura's more for pvp. I seen you on the leaderboard but I hadn't actually SEEN you on the times I been on, and I been on alot. so much so I got some goodies for the first time ever. AD on AS could use alot more people, and you guys cant' complain that EP dominates the map when we get doubleteamed down to 3 whole keeps.

YOU'RE NOT TAKING BACK YOUR SCROLL UNLESS ITS FROM MY COLD DEAD HAAAAANDS!!!

If anything you could try Cyro delves. The boosted xp is stupid, and you could either work on those obscure bosses like the one that takes *** 4 hours to spawn in Bloodmayne, or just chill out and kill any unsuspecting enemies that think they can sneak their way down there. I ended up eating a guy who'd actually killed another EP player that was grinding too. Yum!

Eh. I really have no response to this other than Eh.

As @Gidorick said in another thread, "I'm done being upset about these things."

And I'm done caring about what I want to do, if I get on ESO, I'm going to do whatever the first person asks me to do. So long as it isn't PvP.

Soulac · April 2015

:'(

Panda244 · April 2015

Xiphyla wrote: »

Panda , let's play dota2 together.

Dibs on sven.

Panda244 · April 2015

Soulac wrote: »

:'(

@Soulac

Soulac · April 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

:'(

@Soulac

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · April 2015

Now I'm not saying put down PvP, by the gods no.

At some point, they need to consider the option of putting it out of its misery rather than trying to fix it. The option of giving up is very much on the table. It would be a shame, and also a huge embarrassment for them, but it is an option.

Panda244 · April 2015

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

Now I'm not saying put down PvP, by the gods no.

At some point, they need to consider the option of putting it out of its misery rather than trying to fix it. The option of giving up is very much on the table. It would be a shame, and also a huge embarrassment for them, but it is an option.

Really.... I mean there are people out there with greater faith in ZOS and PvP that would go berserk if PvP was removed from the game, and it would also ruin their sales and reputation so I doubt it'll ever happen, I mean... It sucks, on a technical level, it's horrible. But it has it's moments, sadly the good moments don't outweight the few in this case.

FireCowCommando · April 2015

i would like to reply to this when im not about to go to bed, but its going to be locked soon.

very few people in this game would disagree with you. i myself stopped playing for nine months, came back to find the new content that seemed fun being DSA. Still have not tried vet DSA, normal DSA only took less than 2 hours and completed in first run through with only 1 wipe.

im sure vet DSA is more challenging, but it is a little sad how simple PvE feels to me. PvP has always been where i spend my effort in any game since it provides the ever changing dynamic and you cant know what's going to come next; someone poping out of stealth with an ultimate, surprise siege, unjustified epeen in zone chat, ect.

1.6 brought about a completely new combat system. Many builds became unviable, many abilities became completely unfunctional, the game continues to chug on adding new content without focusing on addressing core issues that drain the fun out of hardcore play.

granted, they are taking a huge break from adding new content, to fix bugs prior to console release, and all future content is only discribed as 'after console release' with no time frame of what that actually means.

Fall 2016? Spring 2016? It's hard not to be negative as a player who stuck with the game for the whole time, or as someone returning after 9 or 10 months to find things that were removed from PvP with the center of the map still empty, still inaccessible. One would think they would finish the heart of the AvAvA zone before adding trial after trial, dungeon after dungeon.

-Still waiting to see a complete Cyrodiil, heres hoping its within 2015.

Sotha_Sil · April 2015

You will soon realize DSA is not that much fun and you will drop PVE too.

Phinix1 · April 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

But it's turned into that sick dog, that you love, but you need to put down because it's so bad. Now I'm not saying put down PvP, by the gods no.

Your sick dog died IRL, didn't it. That's the real reason, isn't it.

Enjoy your vacation to the realm of sanity and cheese!

Tankqull · April 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Posting in Nerf Sorc thread # 203,7...ohh wait... too soon?

I have a similar mindset man. My goal is to grind 5 CP a day until they fix the host of issues with the game with the occasional foray into Cyrodiil and associate ownage spree. I've never had a game that I've both loved and hated so much at the same time.

Don't know if I can handle full on Carebear though. Just a veteran dungeon run puts me to sleep like a lullaby.

5?!? i can hardly stand 2 each day given the boring PvE in this game...

Sharee · April 2015

You should give heavy armor a try. It's a different playstyle, but you will rarely get hit for 60-80% of your hitpoints in a single hit. The highest i've been hit for is 40% (10K wrecking blow on my 25K hp), and that only happened once.

And my DK is still only vet 8, i expect to do better when i get proper v14 equipment.

AbraXuSeXile · April 2015

I feel very similar and frustrated with PvP as a whole at the moment.

Yesterday i logged in, Got stuck in the middle of nowhere after a battle, So i typed /stuck went back to where i was, Got into a fight vs about 7 reds, my potion wouldnt work so i died and never really got chance to defend myself, so upon reviving i got stuck in a endless loading screen.

Then add the shield stacking BoL sorcs to the mix and perma dodge rollers, It's quite frustrating as a Templar with 90% of our skills broken or useless.

Is this worth the stress?

Vanzen · April 2015

Heavy magicka DK is a blast. More so with every cp gained. On mass pvp open field, you are a killing machine rarely dieing thanks to scale. 1vs1, only the best burst NB can kill you from stealth. The other stam, DK, Temp, are a joke. Sorc, you just ignore them.
Course am talking about the average player...

Gidorick · April 2015

I'm sorry to hear it's gotten to this point @Panda244. I have actually never tried PVP because I wanted to go through all the single player content first and I'm a slow player. At this point, I'm not even sure I should bother with PVP. Why go into what is obviously and admittedly a broken mess?

If ZOS can't nail this down before console release then ESO will fail. The Console player-base is MUCH less forgiving than the PC player base. They'll drop ESO faster than a dub-step song drops its beat.

Oh well, Silver and Gold here I come.