Item Transformation Stones - Crown Store item?

olemanwinter · April 2015

In Guild Wars 2 there was this item you got for completing certain quests as you leveled and was also purchasable with "crown-type" currency.

It combined several items into a single bound-item, destroying the others.
THE VISUAL DESIGN/SKIN of Item A
THE STATS of Item B and C
Becomes ITEM D

For example:

Lets say you have the following 3 items.
1) Twice Fanged Serpent Sword
2) Crafted V12 Sword with Legendary Weapon Power enchanment.
3) Looted V12 Daedric Sword

The special item would combine those three, destroying them all, and produce a single bound item:
With a Daedric style, Legendary Weapon Power enchantment, and Twice Fanged Serpent Set stats.

This was available AT LAUNCH with GW2, and it seems line a win-win for everyone. It takes gear and gold out of the game (helping devs) and allows players an option instead of choosing between sets we need and visual designs we want. I think it belongs in the crown store, and sooner rather than later.

asteldian · April 2015

I am up for that, or the idea of an item that immortalizes an entire gear set you have equipped, dyes included, and turns it into a costume. Not my idea, but a good one.

Cogo · April 2015

No! This is not wow!

No way...keep those things away from the game.

The whole idea with rare items is....rare. If you get something easy, it looses its value.

SO NO!

There already is a way for you to get a specific item. Cyro. Sure...you have to earn it but AP gets you it.
No need to open pandoras box to pay to win.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

No! This is not wow!

No way...keep those things away from the game.

The whole idea with rare items is....rare. If you get something easy, it looses its value.

SO NO!

There already is a way for you to get a specific item. Cyro. Sure...you have to earn it but AP gets you it.
No need to open pandoras box to pay to win.

What? What OP refers to essentially changes the visual and the primary enchantment of the item only. The second you can do on most sets anyway.

You still have to possess the items in the first place, so I'm not sure how this affects rarity or is remotely P2W?

(Trials rewards are bound on pick up, so it's not like you can go to the local guild store and stock up.)

Jitterbug · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

This is not wow!

Thanks, Sherlock, but that's nok at all what the guy is suggesting. There would be nothing easy about aquiring the three items he mentions, and he makes a conscious choice to destroy all 3 to make 1.
All 3 would still have to be farmed and the "stone" would have to be purchased / farmed.
Why would you want to take that option away from anyone?

Erotes · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

No! This is not wow!

No way...keep those things away from the game.

The whole idea with rare items is....rare. If you get something easy, it looses its value.

SO NO!

There already is a way for you to get a specific item. Cyro. Sure...you have to earn it but AP gets you it.
No need to open pandoras box to pay to win.

I don't think you understand the thread. This is in no way pay to win and I am all for changing skins of weapon and armor! I want to wear what I want to wear and hate having to wear armor I dislike just because I like the stats. I know costumes mask the gear but I still want the gear to look good.

Sykotical · April 2015

Sure, there's magic in TES titles, but I'd rather craft my own gear or loot the corpse of a god than use polymerization. While I believe some sets should be beyond the expertise of a mortal, I'd still like to be able to craft anything I'd ever need (after plenty of in-game research, not shelling out cash) and the results from your example could/should be attained via crafting.

Anything like this should be incorporated into existing systems. These suggestions that keep popping up for the crown store is really starting to remind me of public wow servers where the donors get whatever custom godware they want.

tallenn · April 2015

Combining stats from different gear would make balancing even more of a nightmare than it already is. Something to replace the skin of one piece with the skin of another would be awesome though.

Phinix1 · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

No! This is not wow!

No way...keep those things away from the game.

Pure Stockholme Syndrome right here. Allow me to explain...

People crying "no race changes, no name changes, no transmog/wardrobe system, etc." are doing so because they have grown so used to ZOS neglecting these essential MMO systems after a year they now align themselves with the opposite in order to aleviate their sense of disappointment.

Much like a child getting coal for Christmas year after year will manufacture a false sense of contentment by convincing themselves they WANT coal, so the next time they can pretend to be happy about it.

Reverse psychology of self-delusion 101.

Reality check: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MORE CHOICES.

If people want more options and are willing to pay for them to support the game they enjoy, it is no one's place to show up with declarations of "NO" as if their opinion were of some end-all be-all significance to anyone but themselves.

No offense intended, but some sort of wardrobe/transmog system is essential to the longevity of ANY MMO. ZOS has simply been too lazy/too busy fixing bugs to get around to it.

Danikat · April 2015

Small clarification: the GW2 system only combined two items. The skin (appearance) of one with the stats of the other. The 3rd slot was to let you choose which upgrade (same as Glyphs in ESO) you kept.

Other than that it works exactly as the OP has suggested and I really can't see how it could be considered P2W or making things easier because you have to have the items first in order to combine them. It just allows you to customise them by putting a new skin on them. (So for example if you get a dungeon set with really good stats but you think if looks ugly you can make it look like any other set, like wearing a costume but more customisable.)

I would like to see something like this. In another thread a while ago I suggested a more complicated system where we'd be able to deconstruct dungeon sets and other non-craftable sets to learn to craft (bound) sets with their stats or in that style, which I think would be more fun and fit in well with the current crafting system. But this would probably be simpler to implement.

Cogo · April 2015

Oh, skin of the item, not a new one. Lol! Ya, wasnt paying attention. Was flaming the one who want Sorcerer more buffs.

Why pay for item skin though? If its in game....should that not be crafting? Or a smith you pay gold?

Don't see it as terribly important since you can craft whenever you want. What you want.
Oh....so you can buy for $ a transform to Imperial? Noooo!

Rust_in_Peace · April 2015

GW2 changed their system to where you have a list of armor and weapon skins and you unlock them as you equip, craft or destroy items. Once that skin is unlocked on your account the Stones can be consumed to apply unlocked skins to your armor.

Cogo · April 2015

I still dont understand why it would be in crownstore and not avaible to do in game?

Latter · April 2015

NO, NO NO!

I am for a transmog sort of thing, where you can transform the LOOKS of a weapon. But GOD DAMNIT, stop suggesting Pay to win ***!

neueregel · April 2015

I think they should add an unbinding stone so that you can unbind items/resell them, but at a cost of course...

Danikat · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

I still dont understand why it would be in crownstore and not avaible to do in game?

I suspect a lot of people think it's more likely to happen if they can monetize it. And since it is purely a cosmetic function it wouldn't be much of an issue if people had to go without it.

In GW2 it's a bit of both. You can get some transmutation stones for free in-game as rewards for various things, and then you can buy others from the shop. I've got about 50 of them and I've used probably the same again, never had to buy them. Other people complain that they barely get any for free compared to the number they want to use and are constantly having to buy them. I guess it depends on how often you want to change the look of your armor.

TheShadowScout · April 2015

Basic gist of the suggestion - take stats of one item and looks of a second item and combine them - that one is all right.

Everything more to make the final item better then the sum of its parts wouldn't be.

olemanwinter · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

No! This is not wow!

No way...keep those things away from the game.

The whole idea with rare items is....rare. If you get something easy, it looses its value.

SO NO!

There already is a way for you to get a specific item. Cyro. Sure...you have to earn it but AP gets you it.
No need to open pandoras box to pay to win.

What the heck are you even talking about?

This crown store item would take multiple items YOU ALREADY HAVE and combine them into something ONLY YOU COULD USE.

Why should a player be forced to choose between a weapon that looks good and the weapon he needs for his skills.

Maybe someone want's to run the Aether set without wearing what looks like a Chinese Fan on his head.

Maybe someone actually likes the look of lower-level armor but wants a max stat set.

Why shouldn't someone be able to take that V14 piece of armor they crafted and merge it with the visual appearance of another piece of lvl 30 armor they also crafted?

What the heck does any of this have to do with pay-2-win?

olemanwinter · April 2015

tallenn wrote: »

Combining stats from different gear would make balancing even more of a nightmare than it already is. Something to replace the skin of one piece with the skin of another would be awesome though.

I never said combine stats.

Combine stats from 1 with skin of a 2nd and enchantments of a 3rd.

That's what I said.

olemanwinter · April 2015

Latter wrote: »

NO, NO NO!

I am for a transmog sort of thing, where you can transform the LOOKS of a weapon. But GOD DAMNIT, stop suggesting Pay to win ***!

Not sure if sarcasm. This thread is starting to make me sad. *shakes head*