It's time we find a solution to those who are abusing server lag.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

RivenVII wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

One of the biggest issues is probably meteor, its strange that the ultimate doesnt deplete when its used in laggy conditions and this causes some people to spam it. If ultimate would deplete normally it wouldnt be spammable which would prevent lag.

Spamming healing springs is different though and this shouldnt cause this much lag, its a normal ability and its inteneded to be used often.

Just a theory, but the lagging abilities have to do with things that pulse multiple times and/or have a lot of particles, which healing springs does.

I've also experienced the cast multiple ultimate casts bug (even though it is only the animation and not the skill doing damage) and it has been confined to only the times when we have been fighting this particular group.

And, as the EP player has done us the service of admitting, he knows the exact group that we are talking about. Doesn't really seem like "naturally occurring large group lag" if he immediately knows who we are discussing that use this exploit. Seems like it would be anyone he ran with if it was so common, given that EP usually has massive zergballs. In fact though, it is not. When it is confined to a singular group causing this, I am going to cry foul.

Your "logic" is off.

Everyone knows which guilds are being referred to because the drama on this forums has centered around those guilds for months now. It's hard not to know.

You being correct about your assertions is still up for debate.

Bouvin · April 2015

RivenVII wrote: »

Ban them.

Give every person who is found to be spamming abilities in a way to intentionally create lag (i.e. Healing Springs, Meteor, Proximity Det) a 2 week ban. Let them stew and see how they like it.

Their way of "playing the game" is intentionally ruining the game experience for everyone else.

A certain group of EP just took Faregyl in Chillrend and we could not defend because of the crippling lag that they caused with their abilities. It's consistent with this particular group of EP as well that this sort of lag occurs. We all know who they are and, ZoS, if you need some help figuring out who they are, we can give you a *** list.

This is *** ridiculous and if their conduct isn't banworthy, I don't know what is.

2 week bans. I guarantee you that this BS would stop. If it doesn't, permaban them. It is exploiting and it is griefing. Both of those are against your ToS.

Problem is, it's impossible to tell who's intentionally doing it and who's just using the skills.

If there were going to ban it should have been for gate hopping as that was a pretty intentional and obvious exploit. But they folded on that one too....

Meanwhile they handed out mass 3-day bans for anyone doing Skyreach Catacombs after 1.6 launched. LOL

Joy_Division · April 2015

I get dumber every day I read these forums. Ok, I'll stop "spamming" meteor. Oh, wait, it is an ultimate that you can only cast once.

What's that, you want me not to use it when the pisspoor servers already can't keep track of what is going on in the battle and it doesn't register? TOO BAD. I will keep pressing buttons until it works and a meteor lands on your butt.

Cody · April 2015

Make them play with level 1 stats with soul shriven gear and no abilities or weapons, or siege.

oh, and make them argonians:D

Daysie · April 2015

Honestly blaming an opposing faction or a particular guild is silly. The fact of the matter is the lag is on both sides or 3 sides if all three factions are involved in a battle. The blame game on certain groups or player is only giving zos an out, as long as we keep blaming each other and not zos they dont have to address the issue. Please stop with the conspiracy theories and start pointing the finger where it belongs perhaps then the issue will be addressed and resolved.

Cody · April 2015

alright, lets not get skills nerfed over it. Just deal with the lag and anyone causing it intentionally.

Pausekey · April 2015

What about rollbacks? Used to happen all the time. I mean sure they suck, but hey, its not like actual PvP is going on anyway. Those keep fights I have the same success I would using skills against friendly PC's standing around in Rawlkha.

Why not just roll the server back anytime they get that crippling stand still lag? If ZOS truly cannot fix it, then at least it will ensure that no side receives any benefit.

Fatalyis · April 2015

Just reset your routers/modems and go do some dolmens. Lag problem solved!

#ZOSlogic

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · April 2015

Pausekey wrote: »

What about rollbacks? Used to happen all the time. I mean sure they suck, but hey, its not like actual PvP is going on anyway. Those keep fights I have the same success I would using skills against friendly PC's standing around in Rawlkha.

Why not just roll the server back anytime they get that crippling stand still lag? If ZOS truly cannot fix it, then at least it will ensure that no side receives any benefit.

This would be a very good idea, if it weren't for the fact that a rollback would be wonderful for the losing team. As soon as you lose a keep, lagspam, and you get a second chance...

Jauriel · April 2015

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

Pausekey wrote: »

What about rollbacks? Used to happen all the time. I mean sure they suck, but hey, its not like actual PvP is going on anyway. Those keep fights I have the same success I would using skills against friendly PC's standing around in Rawlkha.

Why not just roll the server back anytime they get that crippling stand still lag? If ZOS truly cannot fix it, then at least it will ensure that no side receives any benefit.

This would be a very good idea, if it weren't for the fact that a rollback would be wonderful for the losing team. As soon as you lose a keep, lagspam, and you get a second chance...

Already been done. I witnessed a team lag a scroll cap so bad it rubber banded about 5 times in the space of 5 minutes and the scroll ended up back in the temple.

The_Death_Princess · April 2015

Hmm shouldn't that lame long waste of forum space end with:

l2xploit

The_Death_Princess · April 2015

Oh and of further note OP, the skills you list are a symptom. The hax are actually a true hax that can be used at their will. These players have been reported numerous times for this and other hax, since the beginning of the game. Yet they still are around. Actually I even think they get banned occasionally, because they disappear a bit, then come back - but maybe thats just real life idk.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

For those dubious about the "meteor spam' accusation, it is spam when you have multiple raids with members running the ultimate itself or the VS set. Its not that they're magically cheating and spamming ultimates within a second of each other, it's that the system can't process the requests going off, so players get the impression their abilities aren't being used and they click it again. I had the same problem happen with Storm Atronach for Sorc Summoning line. Not only that with the SHooting Star morph of metor, it's entirely possible to get multiple meteors going at the same time since it awards ult based on how many targets it hits. Combine that with almost 300ppl smooshed in a flag room, it's a recipe for disaster.

Either ZOS needs to work on the equipment on their end or dial back some of the particle effects.

Cogo · April 2015

This is dumb. Stop.

About players causing lag like some tactic
Does anyone really think that players are causing lag by choice?
What the....where did that even come from? The flying teapot said so?

Even IF someone was trying to cause lag as a tactic.......that's even dumber, since they lag too.

Using healing springs to cause lag? Eh....So not heal then?
Moving as a group...to cause lag?
Using abilities for warfare which they are intended to....to cause lag?

Free discussions are great but this has crossed some kind of line in common sense.

ZoS works on bugs and Cyro have improved a lot. Still stuff to fix for ZoS but ....players causing lag by choice?
Comon!?

xDOVAHKIINx · April 2015

Reasonable people know its not players who cause lag.

Satiar · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

This is dumb. Stop.

About players causing lag like some tactic
Does anyone really think that players are causing lag by choice?
What the....where did that even come from? The flying teapot said so?

Even IF someone was trying to cause lag as a tactic.......that's even dumber, since they lag too.

Using healing springs to cause lag? Eh....So not heal then?
Moving as a group...to cause lag?
Using abilities for warfare which they are intended to....to cause lag?

Free discussions are great but this has crossed some kind of line in common sense.

ZoS works on bugs and Cyro have improved a lot. Still stuff to fix for ZoS but ....players causing lag by choice?
Comon!?

Hand in your forum warrior card, we do not tolerate logic and reason on this holy battlefield.

Cogo · April 2015

RivenVII wrote: »

It would appear someone is in denial.

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. If it were, other groups aside from this certain one would generate the lag too. They do not.

Get over yourself, Flawlless. You can only sling around the "pics or it didn't happen" excuse for so long, especially when everyone else here, even your own faction, knows what the truth is. What a *** joke.

Where the heck is my "disagree", "lol" and "What?" button?

Are you serious? Someone causing lag on purpose, so you lag and they don't?

Milky · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

This is dumb. Stop.

1. About players causing lag like some tactic
Does anyone really think that players are causing lag by choice?
What the....where did that even come from? The flying teapot said so?

Even IF someone was trying to cause lag as a tactic.......that's even dumber, since they lag too.

2. Using healing springs to cause lag? Eh....So not heal then?
Moving as a group...to cause lag?
Using abilities for warfare which they are intended to....to cause lag?

Free discussions are great but this has crossed some kind of line in common sense.

3. ZoS works on bugs and Cyro have improved a lot. Still stuff to fix for ZoS but ....players causing lag by choice?
Comon!?

1. Since the removal of AoE caps, and to an extent before the removal, a smaller force, if well skilled and well-equipped can defeat a larger force. This is not easy, and requires a high level of skilled play. By outnumbering your enemy, then exploiting mechanics to make the server lag, the larger force can force lag upon the smaller force, making it very difficult to time skills appropriately and see what is happening. What this means is that the larger force can more easily roll over the smaller force without having to exert much effort. I don't know how to explain it better than that, so I hope you understood it.

2. The issue is not healing springs used as intended, it's when it's spammed continuously my a large number of people for a duration of time so as to create lag within the server. If you use healing springs normally, even in big fights, it might contribute a bit to the lag, but that's not what we are talking about.

3. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's happening. Maybe you're in the wrong time-frame to experience it, or the wrong server.

Jauriel · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

Does anyone really think that players are causing lag by choice?

Yes. I've seen it done. It has been admitted to. It has been bragged about.

What the....where did that even come from? The flying teapot said so?

The people who have deliberately done it have admitted to it. It isn't even really that hard to do. I don't know why anyone tries to come off anymore like its some impossible conspiracy. Lol

Even IF someone was trying to cause lag as a tactic.......that's even dumber, since they lag too.

They don't care if they lag, too. As long as it results in the opposition being unable to take their keep or scroll.

Using healing springs to cause lag?

Uh...yes. It has been done again and again.

Teargrants · April 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

For those dubious about the "meteor spam' accusation, it is spam when you have multiple raids with members running the ultimate itself or the VS set. Its not that they're magically cheating and spamming ultimates within a second of each other, it's that the system can't process the requests going off, so players get the impression their abilities aren't being used and they click it again. I had the same problem happen with Storm Atronach for Sorc Summoning line. Not only that with the SHooting Star morph of metor, it's entirely possible to get multiple meteors going at the same time since it awards ult based on how many targets it hits. Combine that with almost 300ppl smooshed in a flag room, it's a recipe for disaster.

Either ZOS needs to work on the equipment on their end or dial back some of the particle effects.

Not quite, something was changed in the coding for 1.6 that causes the graphics for the ult to display every time you spam the button when everything is lagged out and not casting "for real" (ult not being depleted). Before 1.6 when lag like that happened, the ult graphic wouldn't display until the cast went through and depleted your ult.

It's not just a problem with meteor, hence you see things like 1 DK pooping out 20 banners. When you see 10 meteors raining down from 1 dude in the lag, it's not that he's refilling his ult on impact, it's this buggy mechanic that is displaying the cast animation every time he pushes the button even though it's not successfully casting.

Jauriel · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

RivenVII wrote: »

It would appear someone is in denial.

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. If it were, other groups aside from this certain one would generate the lag too. They do not.

Get over yourself, Flawlless. You can only sling around the "pics or it didn't happen" excuse for so long, especially when everyone else here, even your own faction, knows what the truth is. What a *** joke.

Where the heck is my "disagree", "lol" and "What?" button?

Are you serious? Someone causing lag on purpose, so you lag and they don't?

You deniers are like the people who kept denying the earth was round long long long after it was proven to be round. And I think most people tune you out now because as the OP demonstrates more and more people are having their own experiences with the exploiters. I mean really. What makes you think your opinion based denials trumps their experience based opinion?

Satiar · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

RivenVII wrote: »

It would appear someone is in denial.

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. If it were, other groups aside from this certain one would generate the lag too. They do not.

Get over yourself, Flawlless. You can only sling around the "pics or it didn't happen" excuse for so long, especially when everyone else here, even your own faction, knows what the truth is. What a *** joke.

Where the heck is my "disagree", "lol" and "What?" button?

Are you serious? Someone causing lag on purpose, so you lag and they don't?

You deniers are like the people who kept denying the earth was round long long long after it was proven to be round. And I think most people tune you out now because as the OP demonstrates more and more people are having their own experiences with the exploiters. I mean really. What makes you think your opinion based denials trumps their experience based opinion?

My experience trumps yours because I'm actually in the group, or in team speak, watching it happen.

Take Arrius last Thornblade cycle for example, with Vehemence and Pride defending. We made a huge siege set up on the top floor, to defend the stairway. Keep lags, siege won't fire, we lose scroll.

And then we are blamed for purposely lagging the battle. Because we wanted to fight outnumbered without siege, for whatever reason.

Stuff like this, all the time. We're in game raging about unresponsive skills and siege while you and other brave forum warriors come here to proclaim we did it on purpose. And it's bloody ridiculous!

RivenEsq · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

My experience trumps yours because I'm actually in the group, or in team speak, watching it happen.

Take Arrius last Thornblade cycle for example, with Vehemence and Pride defending. We made a huge siege set up on the top floor, to defend the stairway. Keep lags, siege won't fire, we lose scroll.

And then we are blamed for purposely lagging the battle. Because we wanted to fight outnumbered without siege, for whatever reason.

Stuff like this, all the time. We're in game raging about unresponsive skills and siege while you and other brave forum warriors come here to proclaim we did it on purpose. And it's bloody ridiculous!

I refuse to believe for a second that you've ever even used siege. All I ever see is Steel Tornado spam with your name attached to it.

Secondly, as Milky explained, purposely lagging when you have a larger amount of players virtually guarantees you the win in the fight. Maybe someone used the exploit against you guys, according to your statement.

I'm sure the exploit isn't purely confined to the particularly heinous offenders, but they are the ones griefing opposing factions the worst right now.

Anyone exploiting lag should be banned, either for a week, 2 weeks, or however long it takes for this nonsense to stop. This includes your guild, if they do it, opposing guilds, anyone.

This isn't a thread naming specific guilds, it is identifying a very real problem that players are using maliciously and, in effect, ruining the PvP experiences for anyone on the same campaign as them.

If you think that lag exploiting is not happening, you are daft.

Galalin · April 2015

Or they could just fix all the spammable skills causing lag or even just remove them entirely... either way i don't give a ***... but something needs to be done to fix the ability to even do this intentionally or not. Unfortunately everyone will just cry don't nerf my *** so nothing will be done and no bans will be handed out... so we all might aswell get used to it.

Can you tell im a tad bit fed up?

DK SCRUB OUT

Cinbri · April 2015

Ok i playing on low pop haderus. When battles starts while campaign on minimal population, heavy lags dropping from the sky. So ZOS please ban every DC/AD on haderus coz they cause lags.
P.S. Wait-a-second, i use Healing Springs in PvE dungeon runs and that causing lags intentionally for mobs, thats why they can't kill my group, poor mobs, they can't report me for exploiting. Damn, i am exploiter, before these thread i thought i am good healer :'( .

Tyvarra · April 2015

Only one to blame is ZOS that it is even possible to lagsploit. Sorry guys but thats how it is.

If people really use AoE when no one is around to produce lag than that is just sad and bad behavior. In a fight when everyone wants to win the fight over a keep and stand on the flag casting like crazy it is understandable. I do the same and it annoys me everytime. You click the same button for 10 minutes, your finger hurts and nothing is happening except a huge flood of lightning....

I'm now going to cancel my sub, thx for the reminder. I play EU Thornblade btw. Weekend was horrible!!

Sad thing is: the game worked better when it launched...

PeggymoeXD · April 2015

As much as I dislike the guild you are speaking of, there are many cases where there's just straight up lag that we can't control. Yes, I am EP. No, I don't zerg. But I have been a part of battles where any attempt at defense is futile because of server lag.

There was once a case where EP was defending a keep from a large group of AD. It was maybe a month-ish ago, and it lasted a good hour. One of those defenses where both inner walls are down and we're stuck on the flags. Anyways, to make a long story longer, we eventually lost that keep due to what we thought was AD lagging us out intentionally. Everyone's ping shot up to 999+ and I literally had to remove my headset the sound of constant meteors was so obnoxious. So what EP thought was "Freakin AD, lagging us out with their stupid meteor spam." For the record, this is indeed a true story.

Well later that day, an AD posted a video of that battle, but from their point of view, we were the ones spamming abilities. They captured meteor spam just like I had witnessed. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everyone is aware what abilities and ultimates can cause major lag if used all at once, but I don't think it's always one-sided.

c0rp · April 2015

Zos would have to actually have someone GO PLAY IN CYRODIIL to verify its happening before they banned anyone. Thats not likely to happen.

FENGRUSH · April 2015

Satiar wrote: »

We're in game raging about unresponsive skills

Wow you must be raging about unresponsive skills every night - throughout every siege cap.

Ive just switched campaigns whenever havoc is moving in full force. Its been a lagfree solution so far. Enjoy your unique style of play!

Methuselah · April 2015

MOAR HEALING SPRINGS