Deposing Jean Luc Picard on Azuras Star NA - 15 minutes later, still alive on the flag

Jauriel · April 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Funny how you act like some of those suggesting changes aren't the same ones who run in the "farming group" you call out. I'd encourage you to do some research on what guilds are at what keeps and when, because we are obviously not playing the same game or map. We aren't all online at the same time, and sometimes a smaller group won't turn the tides the way a full raid would. I'm not at home tonight, so I can't say what is going on. Don't go throwing around accusations without substantial proof. The majority of my AP, and that of many people I run with, comes from successful attacks and, most often, defenses, of emperorship keeps. On top of that, it seems to be that some people focus more on home keeps than ring keeps, and then get upset when not everybody is following what THEY want to focus on. News flash- not everybody wants to focus on buffs alone. Some of us actually prefer trying to prevent the other factions from getting emperorship, or trying to defend our own.

Well EP did a fantastic job of that tonight. I missed out on everything from 6pm central to 10pm central but apparently EP lost the ring and half its home-keeps in record time both due to lack of participation as well as usual DC zerg shenanigans. I'm more likely to see lvl 10s and 30's defending the last emp keep than any of the other high-end lucky charms. The game is structured in a way that it incentivizes horrid behavior and rewards cheap tactics. All three factions are going to continue having to put up with this BS unless ZOS steps in and does something, because I know some of these pro guilds aren't going to do *** themselves that'll compromise how much AP they can get while Chalman and BRK go down simultaneously.

DC zerg shenanigans?! You can't be serious. Ep lost what they lost because they stormed across the map earlier in the day when the other factions pops were low and they took every scroll. Then as DC pop began to finally rise in the prime time hours, ep arrogantly continued to push on ales and glade with HUGE massive big groups of ep players. Then they sat on defense of glade with HUGE numbers for I don't know how long.

So now DC pop is rising and the guilds there who had faced insurmountable odds all afternoon are rallying troops to get OUR scrolls and keeps back to raise faction morale....and you come here and actually call this "DC shenanigans"????

You ep are real pieces of work. Your entitlement mentality is absolutely sickening. You're not entitled to DC and ad scrolls. You're not entitled to take them and expect DC and AD to sit at their gate keeps and quiver in fear at YOUR Zergs and do nothing to reclaim what is theirs.

The point completely flew over your head I think. I think it's wrong that DC feels the only way they can win is dogpiling the flag instead of annihilating any trace of resistance like I've seen with other breaches. At the same time I feel it's wrong for a EP guild to tout itself like it's the sole reason AS isn't a "DC buff server" anymore because of them and them alone. DC is already a shoein to win the camp once it ends, and the only real opposition it faced mid-camp came from AD which sort of crumpled up and died at some point. The other day I noticed they tried to snatch the Mnem scroll and stage a poorly-executed scroll farm at the winery way up north rather than even attempting to run it. If EP lost everything damn right they deserved to. You didn't see what our chat looked like. 3 bars at ales couldn't break it, meanwhile scouts are screaming for reinforcements at roebeck and alessia and they were actually told to SHUT UP, because it's okay for them to sacrifice ring keeps. I've seen better enthusiasm for defense from subvets lately, bless their hearts. I always make it a point to rez anyone even if they're lowbies. At least they try.

But what's going on in AS and Thorn and Had isnt' competition in the slightest bit. You have people screaming that we need moar servers because so many of them are poplocked at the same time there's clearly empty gaps in alot of the factions. EP is nowhere to be found on Haderus, AD about nonexistent on AS even in primetime, and of course DC avoids thorn like the plague. Thorn is basically EP's comfort blanket, and they don't want to give that up because it has their snuggie. AD and DC are guilty of the same thing. The lag is one major issue out of dozens, but it certainly isn't going to fix itself if factions refuse to distribute across clearly open servers.

You're not in DC ts groups and hence have no way of knowing what our directives are. Of course we stack flags when the time comes to stack the flag. Every faction stacks flags. Ep is notorious for rushing in the breech and zerg bombing a flag with a thousand meteors. I personally don't like dilly dallying at the breech because it only affords the enemy crucial minutes to reinforce.

If it makes you feel any better we also yell at the DC pugs to stop worrying about Roe and Nikel. But when AD seems determined to push Ash while Ep merrily holds their scrolls what can we expect?

I can only share with you our experience from our side. A great majority of us rallied up to get our scrolls back. It took a long time to accomplish. Once we got one scroll back it seemed ep weakened and getting scroll 2 was a bit easier but was still a fight.

I've rarely ever seen EP zergpile the flag, but that's beacuse I'm used to smaller raid breaches from Haderus and mid-camp AS where we relied heavily on external siege support and strategic sniping, and if we did bumrush we cleared top deck before wiping out the last resistance on the flags. I've observed the same with AD where they'll completely bypass the defensive siege we have set up and surprise us by going across the flag and clearing the top deck in reverse. If you did take your scrolls after a hardfought battle then it was well deserved. Those scroll-reclamation quests won't complete themselves and at least you have the decency to run them one at a time rather than gather them up in a pile and turn them in simultaneously.

But yeah, comments along the lines of "don't repair the front door at bleakers. it's easier for DC that way" from a known AP farmer really don't endear me to their guild. Securing an objective should be just that, securing it and holding it as long as possible, not set it up as a AP hotel with complementary drinks and mints on your pillow. If allowing EP's holdings to just wither to nothing is part of a grand scheme to boost the morale of the enemy and gain more points, it's backfiring tremendously.

So I take it you have never been on the back flag at Chalamo where ep and DC are trying to out ulti and out aoe and out lag the other? Welcome to TB 2.0. :-/

vortexman11 · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Funny how you act like some of those suggesting changes aren't the same ones who run in the "farming group" you call out. I'd encourage you to do some research on what guilds are at what keeps and when, because we are obviously not playing the same game or map. We aren't all online at the same time, and sometimes a smaller group won't turn the tides the way a full raid would. I'm not at home tonight, so I can't say what is going on. Don't go throwing around accusations without substantial proof. The majority of my AP, and that of many people I run with, comes from successful attacks and, most often, defenses, of emperorship keeps. On top of that, it seems to be that some people focus more on home keeps than ring keeps, and then get upset when not everybody is following what THEY want to focus on. News flash- not everybody wants to focus on buffs alone. Some of us actually prefer trying to prevent the other factions from getting emperorship, or trying to defend our own.

Well EP did a fantastic job of that tonight. I missed out on everything from 6pm central to 10pm central but apparently EP lost the ring and half its home-keeps in record time both due to lack of participation as well as usual DC zerg shenanigans. I'm more likely to see lvl 10s and 30's defending the last emp keep than any of the other high-end lucky charms. The game is structured in a way that it incentivizes horrid behavior and rewards cheap tactics. All three factions are going to continue having to put up with this BS unless ZOS steps in and does something, because I know some of these pro guilds aren't going to do *** themselves that'll compromise how much AP they can get while Chalman and BRK go down simultaneously.

DC zerg shenanigans?! You can't be serious. Ep lost what they lost because they stormed across the map earlier in the day when the other factions pops were low and they took every scroll. Then as DC pop began to finally rise in the prime time hours, ep arrogantly continued to push on ales and glade with HUGE massive big groups of ep players. Then they sat on defense of glade with HUGE numbers for I don't know how long.

So now DC pop is rising and the guilds there who had faced insurmountable odds all afternoon are rallying troops to get OUR scrolls and keeps back to raise faction morale....and you come here and actually call this "DC shenanigans"????

You ep are real pieces of work. Your entitlement mentality is absolutely sickening. You're not entitled to DC and ad scrolls. You're not entitled to take them and expect DC and AD to sit at their gate keeps and quiver in fear at YOUR Zergs and do nothing to reclaim what is theirs.

Just like to point something out -- There really isn't any safe way to use the 'nightcapping' or 'off hours capping' card. AS has, repeatedly, been night capped by all three alliances over this last two week span. AD's probably been the least offensive in regards to this.

Making up a strawman argument about how EP feels entitled to the scrolls doesn't help your point either.

Jahyn's venting that a lot of EP didn't help with the defense. Shouldn't you be happy they weren't?

Remember guys, its not night capping if you're an Aussie.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Funny how you act like some of those suggesting changes aren't the same ones who run in the "farming group" you call out. I'd encourage you to do some research on what guilds are at what keeps and when, because we are obviously not playing the same game or map. We aren't all online at the same time, and sometimes a smaller group won't turn the tides the way a full raid would. I'm not at home tonight, so I can't say what is going on. Don't go throwing around accusations without substantial proof. The majority of my AP, and that of many people I run with, comes from successful attacks and, most often, defenses, of emperorship keeps. On top of that, it seems to be that some people focus more on home keeps than ring keeps, and then get upset when not everybody is following what THEY want to focus on. News flash- not everybody wants to focus on buffs alone. Some of us actually prefer trying to prevent the other factions from getting emperorship, or trying to defend our own.

Well EP did a fantastic job of that tonight. I missed out on everything from 6pm central to 10pm central but apparently EP lost the ring and half its home-keeps in record time both due to lack of participation as well as usual DC zerg shenanigans. I'm more likely to see lvl 10s and 30's defending the last emp keep than any of the other high-end lucky charms. The game is structured in a way that it incentivizes horrid behavior and rewards cheap tactics. All three factions are going to continue having to put up with this BS unless ZOS steps in and does something, because I know some of these pro guilds aren't going to do *** themselves that'll compromise how much AP they can get while Chalman and BRK go down simultaneously.

DC zerg shenanigans?! You can't be serious. Ep lost what they lost because they stormed across the map earlier in the day when the other factions pops were low and they took every scroll. Then as DC pop began to finally rise in the prime time hours, ep arrogantly continued to push on ales and glade with HUGE massive big groups of ep players. Then they sat on defense of glade with HUGE numbers for I don't know how long.

So now DC pop is rising and the guilds there who had faced insurmountable odds all afternoon are rallying troops to get OUR scrolls and keeps back to raise faction morale....and you come here and actually call this "DC shenanigans"????

You ep are real pieces of work. Your entitlement mentality is absolutely sickening. You're not entitled to DC and ad scrolls. You're not entitled to take them and expect DC and AD to sit at their gate keeps and quiver in fear at YOUR Zergs and do nothing to reclaim what is theirs.

The point completely flew over your head I think. I think it's wrong that DC feels the only way they can win is dogpiling the flag instead of annihilating any trace of resistance like I've seen with other breaches. At the same time I feel it's wrong for a EP guild to tout itself like it's the sole reason AS isn't a "DC buff server" anymore because of them and them alone. DC is already a shoein to win the camp once it ends, and the only real opposition it faced mid-camp came from AD which sort of crumpled up and died at some point. The other day I noticed they tried to snatch the Mnem scroll and stage a poorly-executed scroll farm at the winery way up north rather than even attempting to run it. If EP lost everything damn right they deserved to. You didn't see what our chat looked like. 3 bars at ales couldn't break it, meanwhile scouts are screaming for reinforcements at roebeck and alessia and they were actually told to SHUT UP, because it's okay for them to sacrifice ring keeps. I've seen better enthusiasm for defense from subvets lately, bless their hearts. I always make it a point to rez anyone even if they're lowbies. At least they try.

But what's going on in AS and Thorn and Had isnt' competition in the slightest bit. You have people screaming that we need moar servers because so many of them are poplocked at the same time there's clearly empty gaps in alot of the factions. EP is nowhere to be found on Haderus, AD about nonexistent on AS even in primetime, and of course DC avoids thorn like the plague. Thorn is basically EP's comfort blanket, and they don't want to give that up because it has their snuggie. AD and DC are guilty of the same thing. The lag is one major issue out of dozens, but it certainly isn't going to fix itself if factions refuse to distribute across clearly open servers.

You're not in DC ts groups and hence have no way of knowing what our directives are. Of course we stack flags when the time comes to stack the flag. Every faction stacks flags. Ep is notorious for rushing in the breech and zerg bombing a flag with a thousand meteors. I personally don't like dilly dallying at the breech because it only affords the enemy crucial minutes to reinforce.

If it makes you feel any better we also yell at the DC pugs to stop worrying about Roe and Nikel. But when AD seems determined to push Ash while Ep merrily holds their scrolls what can we expect?

I can only share with you our experience from our side. A great majority of us rallied up to get our scrolls back. It took a long time to accomplish. Once we got one scroll back it seemed ep weakened and getting scroll 2 was a bit easier but was still a fight.

I've rarely ever seen EP zergpile the flag, but that's beacuse I'm used to smaller raid breaches from Haderus and mid-camp AS where we relied heavily on external siege support and strategic sniping, and if we did bumrush we cleared top deck before wiping out the last resistance on the flags. I've observed the same with AD where they'll completely bypass the defensive siege we have set up and surprise us by going across the flag and clearing the top deck in reverse. If you did take your scrolls after a hardfought battle then it was well deserved. Those scroll-reclamation quests won't complete themselves and at least you have the decency to run them one at a time rather than gather them up in a pile and turn them in simultaneously.

But yeah, comments along the lines of "don't repair the front door at bleakers. it's easier for DC that way" from a known AP farmer really don't endear me to their guild. Securing an objective should be just that, securing it and holding it as long as possible, not set it up as a AP hotel with complementary drinks and mints on your pillow. If allowing EP's holdings to just wither to nothing is part of a grand scheme to boost the morale of the enemy and gain more points, it's backfiring tremendously.

So I take it you have never been on the back flag at Chalamo where ep and DC are trying to out ulti and out aoe and out lag the other? Welcome to TB 2.0. :-/

The other day that first time that kicked off this entire thread was my first time. I'm led to believe its commonplace on Thorn but the only time I ever went to Thorn was on a lvl 30 alt and the lag near bleakers was so terrible I refused to go back there ever again. It's obviously not a one-time fluke and can easily and often be replicated. It speaks both to poor game mechanics and player conduct. If EP had all their pop in the keep along with proper siege placement and ability useage there's no reason why we couldn't have held off the enemy. But we didn't. The enemy had far superior numbers, and even if we hadn't been slaughtered to the last man, they would've still won because of the way the mechanics work. When a flag is taken I'm used to it being after myself and everyone else in my raid or in the keep is a white + on the ground and all the guards are dead. What I've seen happening on AS recently is just very silly but it's simultaneously permissible and decried by either perpetrating faction. This can either result in 2 things. Either ZOS introduces fixes to the particle system and keep capture mechanics, or we see a mass exodus of players from PVP that resulted in the 3 factions thorn, every other server a buff server.

Jauriel · April 2015

I understand your frustration. Trust me I do. But from dc's perspective (and I am sure ep's as well) if stacking a flag to save a keep cap or to engage the enemy and distract them in that spot is the only way to save a mission we just spent several dozen siege weapons on...most peeps are gonna do it. And mind you this all too often occurs AFTER a clean keep take like you described and when eneny rushes in a breech after both flags have been flipped or are in the process of flipping. Should the victor not try to hold on to their victory and not try to out ulti the invader stacking the flag?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

I understand your frustration. Trust me I do. But from dc's perspective (and I am sure ep's as well) if stacking a flag to save a keep cap or to engage the enemy and distract them in that spot is the only way to save a mission we just spent several dozen siege weapons on...most peeps are gonna do it. And mind you this all too often occurs AFTER a clean keep take like you described and when eneny rushes in a breech after both flags have been flipped or are in the process of flipping. Should the victor not try to hold on to their victory and not try to out ulti the invader stacking the flag?

If you're talking about those times when AD decides to be cheeky and backcap after DC takes a EP keep, then yes, a player/players should use everything in their disposal to hold on. It's situations like that I wish ZOS would bring back ground oils. If they're that upset about having a puddle of oil around the user's feet being immersion breaking, then add a little platform for the user to stand on. Problem solved.