Is DC at a racial disadvantage?

Winnamine · April 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

if any alliance is at a racial disadvantage its EP with nord and argonians beeing totaly useless and dunmer bugged to hell.

EP... racial disadvantage....no.. just no.
Dunmer may be bugged, but it has been the strongest race for vampires the entire game, and you know, vampire meta and all.
Nords... again just no. What is it? 6% flat damage mitigation? That is huge. Huge.
Argonians... yeah they're useless now. But then, every alliance has at least one useless race, be happy you only have one.

Vis · April 2015

Yes. You don't have enough Altmers.

Flawlless · April 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

Imo DC has the best race, at least for Magicka users. Full magicka Breton with seducer/warlock, cost reduction jewelry enchants and Champion Points put into cost reduction and recovery = never ending magicka.

I really hope that isn't your build, if so, hope you enjoy hitting or healing like a wet noodle.

It's my Sorc build and trust me I hit just fine, plus magicka management is a lot more important than hitting as hard as possible, in my opinion.

Tripwyr · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

For the PVP of this game DC has always been behind and even with superior numbers they tend to lose maps. I was wondering if this was a racial problem because looking at their 3 races hey don't seem to have much going for them. EP has Dark Elves who get bonuses to fire damage and take less fire damage. Nord's who take 7% less damage from all sources. AD has Bosner and Khaiit which both have huge bonuses to their Nightblade class. They also have the Altmer who also has damage bonuses. DC only has the Orc who gets a bonus to charging attacks. I think its possible that the bonus damage or damage reduction that EP and AD have are giving them the advantage over DC that is causing them to lose all the time. It is something to be discussed because you can't just say they lose all the time because they don't have any good guilds.

Imperial > Breton > Nord is the tier list, so no I would say DC have a racial advantage.

Cody · April 2015

bretons actually make decent magicka builds:) and redguards make decent stamina builds:)

DC is behind because their PvE content is the most un-appealing to most people. Most people want to go to skyrim or morrowind or explore un-explored areas like black marsh, the summerset isles, or valenwood.

DC has none of that, and many find the stories in it repetitive and unoriginal(or at least I do)

Cody · April 2015

MuseTheDrunkenDragon wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Altmer, Dunmer and Breton are all good for magicka builds.
Bosmer, Redguard and Imperial are good for stamina.
Orc, Khajiit and Nord passives aren't really good now, but not to far behind, all three favoring stamina over magicka.
Argonian racials are utter garbage in 1.6.

So no, even if players couldn't play any race in any alliance, DC wouldn't be in a bad spot. If anything, EP would lack a good stamina race.

Wut

This is news to me. I was under the impression that poison/disease resistance was a good thing.

Plus, I like swimming.

the new potion passive is a shadow of its former self.

the extra poison resistance is nice.... but physical/magical damage is a greater concern.

quick to mend is.... ok. but i myself would rather see it replaced with something more useful.

G0ku · April 2015

Imperial - roll one or gimp yourself - nuff said

Jauriel · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

bretons actually make decent magicka builds:) and redguards make decent stamina builds:)

DC is behind because their PvE content is the most un-appealing to most people. Most people want to go to skyrim or morrowind or explore un-explored areas like black marsh, the summerset isles, or valenwood.

DC has none of that, and many find the stories in it repetitive and unoriginal(or at least I do)

I enjoyed the DC storyline. Trudged through the ad one- it was very boring at times. Can't even finish the ep one because it is equally as lame and Nords are uber annoying. I admit the landscape is pretty in nordville. But that's about it. I also did ep in the closed beta and was unimpressed which is why I rolled DC at launch. Also, I have the distinction of not having Skyrim as my first foray into the world of Es. Many many many who play ep simply did so because Skyrim was their first and only es game.

corx3 · April 2015

DC had the most inspired storyline by far imo. I'm not really an MMO gamer and got into ESO because I'm a massive Elder Scrolls IP geek. Some of the "omg kill the zombies they're everwhere" tropes got old, but all in all DC had the most memorable characters. King Emeric has more personality than Ayrenn and Jorunn combined on account of his bad ass voice actor. (He's the only one with idle chat too, I think. Seriously, get in a chat box with him and just stare at him for a minute ... you're welcome

.) Rivenspire was my favorite questline in all of ESO and one of my most memorable Elder Scrolls questlines in general. Whoever wrote that zone deserves a raise and more work.

Lastly, Imperial ist ubermensch!

Cody · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

bretons actually make decent magicka builds:) and redguards make decent stamina builds:)

DC is behind because their PvE content is the most un-appealing to most people. Most people want to go to skyrim or morrowind or explore un-explored areas like black marsh, the summerset isles, or valenwood.

DC has none of that, and many find the stories in it repetitive and unoriginal(or at least I do)

I enjoyed the DC storyline. Trudged through the ad one- it was very boring at times. Can't even finish the ep one because it is equally as lame and Nords are uber annoying. I admit the landscape is pretty in nordville. But that's about it. I also did ep in the closed beta and was unimpressed which is why I rolled DC at launch. Also, I have the distinction of not having Skyrim as my first foray into the world of Es. Many many many who play ep simply did so because Skyrim was their first and only es game.

i play EP because of black marsh:/ and my first ES game was Oblivion.

I myself hate the DC areas. I cannot stand them. its the same repetitive crap for 3 of the zones, zombie apocalypse after zombie apocalypse. Stormhaven was boring as heck, and bangokorai was not far behind, altough it was slightly better than the other 4.

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

Oktaine · April 2015

Seriously ...who's NOT rooting for a zombie apocalypse?

corx3 · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

Glenumbra got a little slow after the first half and I agree that Stormhaven and its Freddy-esque storyline was boring. But Rivenspire had the best storytelling in the entire game and the entire craggy landscape added to that gothic spookiness. Bangkorai was cool too; Arzhela was a way stronger female character than Ayrenn ... especially when you let her stab a ***! I think you're trippin' if you thought Rivenspire sucked. (I guess there are people that enjoy AD's typical fantasy tropes and EP's bland story telling though lol. Jorunn sounds like he was voice acted by a LARPer.) The only thing that made Morrowind great is that Michael Kirkbride wrote it anyways! And Kirkbride didn't write anything in this game

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Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

corx3 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

Glenumbra got a little slow after the first half and I agree that Stormhaven and its Freddy-esque storyline was boring. But Rivenspire had the best storytelling in the entire game and the entire craggy landscape added to that gothic spookiness. Bangkorai was cool too; Arzhela was a way stronger female character than Ayrenn ... especially when you let her stab a ***! I think you're trippin' if you thought Rivenspire sucked. (I guess there are people that enjoy AD's typical fantasy tropes and EP's bland story telling though lol. Jorunn sounds like he was voice acted by a LARPer.) The only thing that made Morrowind great is that Michael Kirkbride wrote it anyways! And Kirkbride didn't write anything in this game .

Personally, I found the best storylines for EP in Shadowfen.

Call me crazy, but the Argonians have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fleshed out in this game compared to the others, and that's a good thing. Plus the whole 'attempting to to stop genocide' angle really makes you feel for them. Consistently throughout the EP storylines it is Argonians always standing up to do the right thing, give themselves up in self sacrifice, and generally makes you feel 'These are the real good guys'. Even the ones that follow Sithis are better people than a lot of the Dunmer you run into along the way.

I dozed most of my way through the DC and AD zones. I will say Bill Nighy did, indeed, do the best job voice acting of the various crowned leaders (as Emeric).

Draxys · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

corx3 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

Glenumbra got a little slow after the first half and I agree that Stormhaven and its Freddy-esque storyline was boring. But Rivenspire had the best storytelling in the entire game and the entire craggy landscape added to that gothic spookiness. Bangkorai was cool too; Arzhela was a way stronger female character than Ayrenn ... especially when you let her stab a ***! I think you're trippin' if you thought Rivenspire sucked. (I guess there are people that enjoy AD's typical fantasy tropes and EP's bland story telling though lol. Jorunn sounds like he was voice acted by a LARPer.) The only thing that made Morrowind great is that Michael Kirkbride wrote it anyways! And Kirkbride didn't write anything in this game .

Personally, I found the best storylines for EP in Shadowfen.

Call me crazy, but the Argonians have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fleshed out in this game compared to the others, and that's a good thing. Plus the whole 'attempting to to stop genocide' angle really makes you feel for them. Consistently throughout the EP storylines it is Argonians always standing up to do the right thing, give themselves up in self sacrifice, and generally makes you feel 'These are the real good guys'. Even the ones that follow Sithis are better people than a lot of the Dunmer you run into along the way.

I dozed most of my way through the DC and AD zones. I will say Bill Nighy did, indeed, do the best job voice acting of the various crowned leaders (as Emeric).

bill nighy for emp 2015

Artheiron · April 2015

I blame the cinematic trailers.
these things are just my opinions.
(I'm not talking about everybody, don't rage, you've been warned.)

1st.

Admit it. you wanted to use the skyrim's fame. EP is all about Nords now? Why didn't you choose a Dunmer instead of a fancy nord with a skyrim theme. Nords' leader is a mere human who tries to follow the footsteps of Ysgramor while Dunmer's leaders are basicly chimer gods walking among mortals, feared by the daedra itself. Don't even compare jorunn and tribunal.

So this resulted in the beginning most of the the young people who don't know anything about the lore and the older games picked ep. Cos they think they are still dragonborns. Maybe that's why ep side had the most DK numbers when the game released.

2nd.

In the trailers, both elf lady and nord guy look like and act like their respectable leaders, and dc got an assasing creed like guy who does stunts and cool moves. Great. But that is not representing DC. DC actually got Orcs (famous brutes and shamans) bretons (battlemages, something like half elves) and redguards (prince of persia?)

Ok anyway what done is done DC got Altair the acrobat. Fine. What happened to him in trailers? the guy got killed. Then he became undead. Then he got killed again by a nord. Oh he was still alive then the elf lady finished him. And the nord guy reached to mannimarco. What are you trying to tell us here? Don't play on AD or DC side. They'll suck?

3rd

This is not related to trailers. I won't talk about racial passives etc. When a player loves a race and class he/she can roll even a redguard sorcerer. I played every single tes game, read almost everything about tes lore. Ok nords and high elves are taller. BUT Why bretons and imperials are small as they fit in my pocket? Oh so you wanted to make nords look even cooler by basicly making them giants right?

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate ep, or nords. Nords Imperials and Bretons are my favourite races in every tes game. But after skyrim I believe we had enough nord publicity. We needed to move on but instead you just used skyrim's fame and even made questing funnier on ep side. The population imbalance is a result of your wrong advertising/game designing choices.

You can undo your failure by making cinematic trailers for each race and buff our underrated khajiits, argonians, bretons, orcs and bosmers.

Add cool content to each faction (make it balanced this time!), tweak their looks a little bit, maybe add racial skills, then races of tamriel trailer.

Then consider a faction change service, win - win.

(wrote this after hours of gameplay and with no sleep, there will be mistakes, sorry in advance)

Jauriel · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

bretons actually make decent magicka builds:) and redguards make decent stamina builds:)

DC is behind because their PvE content is the most un-appealing to most people. Most people want to go to skyrim or morrowind or explore un-explored areas like black marsh, the summerset isles, or valenwood.

DC has none of that, and many find the stories in it repetitive and unoriginal(or at least I do)

I enjoyed the DC storyline. Trudged through the ad one- it was very boring at times. Can't even finish the ep one because it is equally as lame and Nords are uber annoying. I admit the landscape is pretty in nordville. But that's about it. I also did ep in the closed beta and was unimpressed which is why I rolled DC at launch. Also, I have the distinction of not having Skyrim as my first foray into the world of Es. Many many many who play ep simply did so because Skyrim was their first and only es game.

i play EP because of black marsh:/ and my first ES game was Oblivion.

I myself hate the DC areas. I cannot stand them. its the same repetitive crap for 3 of the zones, zombie apocalypse after zombie apocalypse. Stormhaven was boring as heck, and bangokorai was not far behind, altough it was slightly better than the other 4.

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

I will admit Auridon has the best beaches for sunning your toon and leisurely swims without the slaughterfish removing limbs. I do need to finish the ep zones-perhaps I will find a map and a storyline I can sink my teeth into. But when a gal has been recruited to the war zone and her men won't even let her steal in peace for her living what can she do?

corx3 · April 2015

I spent most of my time in Eastmarch and the Rift looking for stuff that I recognized from Skyrim lol.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Artheiron wrote: »

I blame the cinematic trailers.
these things are just my opinions.
(I'm not talking about everybody, don't rage, you've been warned.)

1st.

Admit it. you wanted to use the skyrim's fame. EP is all about Nords now? Why didn't you choose a Dunmer instead of a fancy nord with a skyrim theme. Nords' leader is a mere human who tries to follow the footsteps of Ysgramor while Dunmer's leaders are basicly chimer gods walking among mortals, feared by the daedra itself. Don't even compare jorunn and tribunal.

So this resulted in the beginning most of the the young people who don't know anything about the lore and the older games picked ep. Cos they think they are still dragonborns. Maybe that's why ep side had the most DK numbers when the game released.

2nd.

In the trailers, both elf lady and nord guy look like and act like their respectable leaders, and dc got an assasing creed like guy who does stunts and cool moves. Great. But that is not representing DC. DC actually got Orcs (famous brutes and shamans) bretons (battlemages, something like half elves) and redguards (prince of persia?)

Ok anyway what done is done DC got Altair the acrobat. Fine. What happened to him in trailers? the guy got killed. Then he became undead. Then he got killed again by a nord. Oh he was still alive then the elf lady finished him. And the nord guy reached to mannimarco. What are you trying to tell us here? Don't play on AD or DC side. They'll suck?

3rd

This is not related to trailers. I won't talk about racial passives etc. When a player loves a race and class he/she can roll even a redguard sorcerer. I played every single tes game, read almost everything about tes lore. Ok nords and high elves are taller. BUT Why bretons and imperials are small as they fit in my pocket? Oh so you wanted to make nords look even cooler by basicly making them giants right?

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate ep, or nords. Nords Imperials and Bretons are my favourite races in every tes game. But after skyrim I believe we had enough nord publicity. We needed to move on but instead you just used skyrim's fame and even made questing funnier on ep side. The population imbalance is a result of your wrong advertising/game designing choices.

You can undo your failure by making cinematic trailers for each race and buff our underrated khajiits, argonians, bretons, orcs and bosmers.

Add cool content to each faction (make it balanced this time!), tweak their looks a little bit, maybe add racial skills, then races of tamriel trailer.

Then consider a faction change service, win - win.

(wrote this after hours of gameplay and with no sleep, there will be mistakes, sorry in advance)

Meh. I can't fault their choice of trailer representatives.

I think they wanted 'Warrior / Ranger / Mage' to represent the typical TES series stereotypes and they went with the prominent race of each faction. Bretons unquestionably lead the Covenant (Emeric is High King, not just King), Nords lead the Pact (there's a whole storyline in the EP zones where this is pointed out), and the Aldmeri lead the Aldmeri in fact and name.

Notice in the first trailer they also have Breton Knights crossing the gap with the unnamed Breton Ranger. There are Nord wizards, Argonian wizards, and Argonian warriors shown through the trailers. You see Bosmer rogues/rangers as well as the Altmer wizard.

Observant · April 2015

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

corx3 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

dont even get me started on rivenspire...... /shivers

Glenumbra got a little slow after the first half and I agree that Stormhaven and its Freddy-esque storyline was boring. But Rivenspire had the best storytelling in the entire game and the entire craggy landscape added to that gothic spookiness. Bangkorai was cool too; Arzhela was a way stronger female character than Ayrenn ... especially when you let her stab a ***! I think you're trippin' if you thought Rivenspire sucked. (I guess there are people that enjoy AD's typical fantasy tropes and EP's bland story telling though lol. Jorunn sounds like he was voice acted by a LARPer.) The only thing that made Morrowind great is that Michael Kirkbride wrote it anyways! And Kirkbride didn't write anything in this game .

Personally, I found the best storylines for EP in Shadowfen.

Call me crazy, but the Argonians have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay fleshed out in this game compared to the others, and that's a good thing. Plus the whole 'attempting to to stop genocide' angle really makes you feel for them. Consistently throughout the EP storylines it is Argonians always standing up to do the right thing, give themselves up in self sacrifice, and generally makes you feel 'These are the real good guys'. Even the ones that follow Sithis are better people than a lot of the Dunmer you run into along the way.

I dozed most of my way through the DC and AD zones. I will say Bill Nighy did, indeed, do the best job voice acting of the various crowned leaders (as Emeric).

bill nighy for emp 2015

Read this and thought "DA ***, BILL NYE IS IN THIS GAME AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bebSxF0rr5I

corx3 · April 2015

The Warrior/King, the Thief/Rebel, the Mage/Observer, are recurring themes in Elder Scrolls and I think the appearance of these archetypes in the trailers is really cool actually

RedTalon · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

bretons actually make decent magicka builds:) and redguards make decent stamina builds:)

DC is behind because their PvE content is the most un-appealing to most people. Most people want to go to skyrim or morrowind or explore un-explored areas like black marsh, the summerset isles, or valenwood.

DC has none of that, and many find the stories in it repetitive and unoriginal(or at least I do)

Personally did like AD but found the queen kinda of off, was just dont know she just didn't come off well. though liked the wood elf king and repear's march, for EP have only enjoyed the shadowfens so far rest seems like old game stuff to me.

But for DC enjoyed all the stuf though the opening isles where a little slow and dull, but the rest of it had good stories that tied into the over all story rather well.

Wreuntzylla · April 2015

Please donate to Save the Argonians. Your donation of just 5000 gold can go to free crafted Imperial gear for everyone!

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Please donate to Save the Argonians. Your donation of just 5000 gold can go to free crafted Imperial gear for everyone!

For every 10,000GP donation, you too can have this adorable plush collector's version of Tatsu, our Argonian Mascot!

Winnamine · April 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Please donate to Save the Argonians. Your donation of just 5000 gold can go to free crafted Imperial gear for everyone!

For every 10,000GP donation, you too can have this adorable plush collector's version of Tatsu, our Argonian Mascot!

Oh boy!
Where do I donate?

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Please donate to Save the Argonians. Your donation of just 5000 gold can go to free crafted Imperial gear for everyone!

For every 10,000GP donation, you too can have this adorable plush collector's version of Tatsu, our Argonian Mascot!

Oh boy!
Where do I donate?

Just send 10,000 GP to the 'Save the Argonian Fund' c/o Agrippa Invisus. There is a three to six week shipping and handling wait period after any monies are received.

Jauriel · April 2015

I will also donate! I have a soft spot for Argonians. Maybe because their voice reminds me of the FO ghouls who could talk.

Winnamine · April 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

I will also donate! I have a soft spot for Argonians. Maybe because their voice reminds me the FO ghouls who could talk.

Yes, Tatsu has a lovely speaking voice.

Tatsumaki · April 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Please donate to Save the Argonians. Your donation of just 5000 gold can go to free crafted Imperial gear for everyone!

For every 10,000GP donation, you too can have this adorable plush collector's version of Tatsu, our Argonian Mascot!

Oh boy!
Where do I donate?

I can see plush Tatsu becoming a best seller, make it happen ZOS

michaelarryn · April 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

For the PVP of this game DC has always been behind and even with superior numbers they tend to lose maps. I was wondering if this was a racial problem because looking at their 3 races hey don't seem to have much going for them. EP has Dark Elves who get bonuses to fire damage and take less fire damage. Nord's who take 7% less damage from all sources. AD has Bosner and Khaiit which both have huge bonuses to their Nightblade class. They also have the Altmer who also has damage bonuses. DC only has the Orc who gets a bonus to charging attacks. I think its possible that the bonus damage or damage reduction that EP and AD have are giving them the advantage over DC that is causing them to lose all the time. It is something to be discussed because you can't just say they lose all the time because they don't have any good guilds.

It has nothing to do with racial passives, it has more to do with the Skyrim/Morrowind fanboys and Elf lovers. Gah, who knew so many people (grown men especially) would decide to make a character in the Aldmeri Dominion?

Jauriel · April 2015

I am more surprised at the number of grown men who make lithe little female toons!