The need to be in a guild to sell through vendors should be removed.

tonyglissonb14_ESO · April 2015

Where are the rules for mmorpg's that state that an auction house is a requirement?

We do not need an auction house or would-be Robber-Barons trying to corner the market of Sweet-rolls.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

tonyglissonb14_ESO wrote: »

Where are the rules for mmorpg's that state that an auction house is a requirement?

We do not need an auction house or would-be Robber-Barons trying to corner the market of Sweet-rolls.

No we just have price fixing guilds hiking up prices to cover the cost of thier stupid vendors instead.

Pendrillion · April 2015

Yet we still manage to sell and buy stuff at reasonable prices... Strange how that can work...

Alphashado · April 2015

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

It's no different than joining the mages guild, fighters guild, or dark brotherhood. If you want to be a merchant in ESO, you join a merchants guild. Otherwise as had been mentioned already, sell your stuff at a vendor.

While your at it, go yell at the fighters guild for requiring you to join their ranks in order to use their skills.

There's a big difference between the mages guild and a trade guild. One is run by players.

My god the arguments are getting moronic.

Thank you for both insulting me and pointing out something blatantly obvious.

The point I'm making is it's a game and lore formatted around guilds. If you are so put off by mingling with other people, then perhaps an MMO isn't for you.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Pendrillion wrote: »

Yet we still manage to sell and buy stuff at reasonable prices... Strange how that can work...

4000g-6000g for 200 wood I don't think so.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

It's no different than joining the mages guild, fighters guild, or dark brotherhood. If you want to be a merchant in ESO, you join a merchants guild. Otherwise as had been mentioned already, sell your stuff at a vendor.

While your at it, go yell at the fighters guild for requiring you to join their ranks in order to use their skills.

There's a big difference between the mages guild and a trade guild. One is run by players.

Thank you for both insulting me and pointing out something blatantly obvious.

The point I'm making is it's a game and lore formatted around guilds. If you are so put off by mingling with other people, then perhaps an MMO isn't for you.

If they had of used a npc guild for trading I wouldn't be complaining. I also don't mind interacting with other players I just don't want to be forced into a guild with players I don't want to be in a guild with.

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Pendrillion · April 2015

Definitly not... for 200 Raw material you pay max 2400. Which is reasonable. Other than that you can easily obtain your mats from the world. Those guilds try to rip people off. And they probably will keep doing it. Fortunately most people know the prices ingame. What you need to learn is that you have to check various vendors. And yes that can be a chore. Or to join a guild and profit. Usually you can get mats for free if there are enough.

Its really easy. The folks who overprice, don't sell... If you don't have the stomach to walk the extra mile... For which I can't blame you, then you will pay what that particular person is demanding you to pay. Or you leave it and have no mats. Thats your choice. But what you say does not reflect the state of the ingame practices. Because I get my mats for much less.

And you should treat people who overprice and try to rip off others with enough contempt to not buy into their scheme. There are even people in this game who give surplus mats for free. Even high quality stuff.

As in many areas of life. You are dependable on your relationships. After all this is a social place.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Pendrillion wrote: »

Definitly not... for 200 Raw material you pay max 2400. Which is reasonable. Other than that you can easily obtain your mats from the world. Those guilds try to rip people off. And they probably will do it. What you need to learn is that you have to check various vendors. And yes that can be a chore. Or jo join a guild and profit. Usually you can mats for free if there is enough.

Its really easy. The folks who overprice, don't sell... If you don't have the stomach to walk the extra mile... For which I can't blame you, then you will pay what that particular person is demanding you to pay. Or you leave it and have no mats. Thats your choice. But what you say does not reflect the state of the ingame practices. Because I get my mats for much less.

And you should treat people who overprice and try to rip off other with enough contempt to not buy into their scheme. There are even people in this game who give surplus mats for free. Even high quality stuff.

As in many areas of life. You are dependable on your relationships. After all this is a social place.

Now if there was a free open market I could sell my mats for around 800-1000g because that's what I think they are worth, but I can't because guilds won't allow you to sell your wares for what you want you have to see them for what they want.

That's why the system is flawed then no free trade on the guild vendors it's all price fixed.

Pendrillion · April 2015

Then go look for another guild. Of course if you want 100% certainty to get rid of your materials, you might end up in a big guild because they have the cash to buy the good booths. But its by large not the only option you have. You are not dependent on them.

If you look for some fair trade. Check out Royal Bankers of Tamriel. Maybe they take you up in the guild. They finance their store through donations. (As most guilds do) And only few pay it with their house cut.

I never had anyone EVER telling me to adjust prices to their whims. I bet you had a run in with the wrong folks from the get go.

Divad Zarn · April 2015

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Pendrillion wrote: »

Definitly not... for 200 Raw material you pay max 2400. Which is reasonable. Other than that you can easily obtain your mats from the world. Those guilds try to rip people off. And they probably will do it. What you need to learn is that you have to check various vendors. And yes that can be a chore. Or jo join a guild and profit. Usually you can mats for free if there is enough.

Its really easy. The folks who overprice, don't sell... If you don't have the stomach to walk the extra mile... For which I can't blame you, then you will pay what that particular person is demanding you to pay. Or you leave it and have no mats. Thats your choice. But what you say does not reflect the state of the ingame practices. Because I get my mats for much less.

And you should treat people who overprice and try to rip off other with enough contempt to not buy into their scheme. There are even people in this game who give surplus mats for free. Even high quality stuff.

As in many areas of life. You are dependable on your relationships. After all this is a social place.

Now if there was a free open market I could sell my mats for around 800-1000g because that's what I think they are worth, but I can't because guilds won't allow you to sell your wares for what you want you have to see them for what they want.

That's why the system is flawed then no free trade on the guild vendors it's all price fixed.

Lol, show me at least one guild who will say you something like "hey you, dont post items for sell for such price!!", you will sell your things in few minutes after u will put them into guild store, for whole topic u jumping on your opinions and dont know what u want, problem indeed in you as someone mention already.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Pendrillion wrote: »

Then go look for another guild. Of course if you want 100% certainty to get rid of your materials, you might end up in a big guild because they have the cash to buy the good booths. But its by large not the only option you have. You are not dependent on them.

If you look for some fair trade. Check out Royal Bankers of Tamriel. Maybe they take you up in the guild. They finance their store through donations. (As most guilds do) And only few pay it with their house cut.

I never had anyone EVER telling me to adjust prices to their whims. I bet you had a run in with the wrong folks from the get go.

That doesn't change the main issue of the original argument though does it. I shouldn't have to join a guild to partake in a core mechanic of the game.

Guilds have always and besides this game will always continue to be an optional part of the game, that has no influence on the core mechanics of the game.

Vizier · April 2015

Umm- How about No- I'm pretty much fine with the system as it is.

Glurin · April 2015

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Selling items is not a problem - its easy to get into Trading guilds.

But buying items is hell of an annoying way to do it. The current system is only good for roleplayers
and sellers. The customers gets ripped off if they dont have 4 hours a day to check all vendors.

What is your definition of "ripped off"? Not getting the absolute lowest price in the entire world for an item you wish to buy?

If that's the case, then you've probably always been ripped off when you bought something. How could you not be? It's impossible to check every seller in every country in the entire world all at once to get the best deal at any given moment.

That's why most other people don't consider it a rip off if they pay a fair price for an item even if it isn't the lowest possible. Being required to spend a huge amount of time if you want to check all vendors everywhere for the absolute best deal on you're desired item makes ESO's system more realistic and dynamic.

I get that there's people out there who would prefer a single, global AH system, but AHs are a sham. All they end up being is everybody constantly undercutting each other on the same item, regardless of its value. Until somebody buys them all up and re-posts them for some arbitrarily inflated value, at which point the countdown starts again.

With the guild stores you at least have to consider the value of the item not only relative to what's already there in your store, but also for the location your vendor is at. And you'll have a good chance of not only selling the item, but also getting a decent price for it as opposed to taking whatever the lowest price is and cutting it by 10%, then praying somebody buys it before too many other people come along and do the same thing to you.

Pendrillion · April 2015

Yes because guild - trading is a core mechanic of the game. Other than that you can yell at people in Zone chat. Those are the core mechanics that are around in ESO. Otherwise you might want to try other games with a centralised auction house. I don't know what will happen in the future but I don't think the current system as disadvantage... On the contrary.

Even though it is a bit sluggish. I grant that.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

It's no different than joining the mages guild, fighters guild, or dark brotherhood. If you want to be a merchant in ESO, you join a merchants guild. Otherwise as had been mentioned already, sell your stuff at a vendor.

While your at it, go yell at the fighters guild for requiring you to join their ranks in order to use their skills.

Except the Fighters Guild and Mages Guild are NOT controlled by players.

Surely you can see the difference.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2015

Pendrillion wrote: »

Fortunately most people know the prices ingame.

Except of course new players, and they are also the ones most disenfranchised from the trade system.

New players are, in effect, lambs to the slaughter in a closed-shop system that ONLY benefits established players/guilds.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2015

wOOOOt_of_SD wrote: »

Selling items is not a problem - its easy to get into Trading guilds.

No one has aver said getting into a Trade Guild is difficult, so why people keep mentioning it is quite beyond me.

What people are saying is we shouldn't have to join a guild just to sell stuff.

All The Best

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO · April 2015

Being one of those people who wants to play eso more casually.. this is kind of a problem.

- I don't want to burden a guild by using up a slot and logging in variably.
- I would expect to be kicked on average in this case, and that registers as a kitten killed every time.
- Its other players game experiences that are getting reduced by this, I mainly want to recycle blue items as I level (which is a real buff when you buy an item yourself) and right now they're all getting wasted on decon.. plenty of greens to feed that.

I'm not sure I ever understood the reasons for not have a game wide auction house anyway.. The gameplay reasons are completely invalid if you simply put a restriction on what items can be sold.. Fine no crafting mats. Or simply do the unthinkable so that you can actually use crafting mats so compellingly that selling them will be the worse option. Yeah just to screw around and crash the economy for giggles players are going to lose money constantly just because they can? I dont think so. The crafting writs are a great start.. buff those?

If its a technical problem that's in the too hard bucket just come out and say so and players can move on.

JKorr · April 2015

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liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Pendrillion wrote: »

Definitly not... for 200 Raw material you pay max 2400. Which is reasonable. Other than that you can easily obtain your mats from the world. Those guilds try to rip people off. And they probably will do it. What you need to learn is that you have to check various vendors. And yes that can be a chore. Or jo join a guild and profit. Usually you can mats for free if there is enough.

Its really easy. The folks who overprice, don't sell... If you don't have the stomach to walk the extra mile... For which I can't blame you, then you will pay what that particular person is demanding you to pay. Or you leave it and have no mats. Thats your choice. But what you say does not reflect the state of the ingame practices. Because I get my mats for much less.

And you should treat people who overprice and try to rip off other with enough contempt to not buy into their scheme. There are even people in this game who give surplus mats for free. Even high quality stuff.

As in many areas of life. You are dependable on your relationships. After all this is a social place.

Now if there was a free open market I could sell my mats for around 800-1000g because that's what I think they are worth, but I can't because guilds won't allow you to sell your wares for what you want you have to see them for what they want.

That's why the system is flawed then no free trade on the guild vendors it's all price fixed.

You want to sell your stuff for what you think its worth. That's great. However, if the people who want to buy it don't think your stuff is worth that much, they aren't going to buy. Could the guild you approached try to tell you something to that effect? I've never paid anything close to what you posted earlier for any materials, even tempers. I go to the next kiosk and check. The overpriced items don't sell. Or I've gotten items from my guild bank, or from guildmates, for free. I've added crafted items and materials to the bank as well as giving items away to new players. But making tons of gold isn't the primary reason I play the game, so your mileage may vary.

Perhaps, if you have the names of the guilds who are allegedly price fixing, you could make a report to Zenimax. I don't know whether there are guilds who demand members fix prices or not. My main guild doesn't. Doesn't have membership fees either. Support is voluntary.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

JKorr wrote: »

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liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Pendrillion wrote: »

Definitly not... for 200 Raw material you pay max 2400. Which is reasonable. Other than that you can easily obtain your mats from the world. Those guilds try to rip people off. And they probably will do it. What you need to learn is that you have to check various vendors. And yes that can be a chore. Or jo join a guild and profit. Usually you can mats for free if there is enough.

Its really easy. The folks who overprice, don't sell... If you don't have the stomach to walk the extra mile... For which I can't blame you, then you will pay what that particular person is demanding you to pay. Or you leave it and have no mats. Thats your choice. But what you say does not reflect the state of the ingame practices. Because I get my mats for much less.

And you should treat people who overprice and try to rip off other with enough contempt to not buy into their scheme. There are even people in this game who give surplus mats for free. Even high quality stuff.

As in many areas of life. You are dependable on your relationships. After all this is a social place.

Now if there was a free open market I could sell my mats for around 800-1000g because that's what I think they are worth, but I can't because guilds won't allow you to sell your wares for what you want you have to see them for what they want.

That's why the system is flawed then no free trade on the guild vendors it's all price fixed.

You want to sell your stuff for what you think its worth. That's great. However, if the people who want to buy it don't think your stuff is worth that much, they aren't going to buy. Could the guild you approached try to tell you something to that effect? I've never paid anything close to what you posted earlier for any materials, even tempers. I go to the next kiosk and check. The overpriced items don't sell. Or I've gotten items from my guild bank, or from guildmates, for free. I've added crafted items and materials to the bank as well as giving items away to new players. But making tons of gold isn't the primary reason I play the game, so your mileage may vary.

Perhaps, if you have the names of the guilds who are allegedly price fixing, you could make a report to Zenimax. I don't know whether there are guilds who demand members fix prices or not. My main guild doesn't. Doesn't have membership fees either. Support is voluntary.

Materials besides leather usually sell for around 1400-2000g, so don't say what I want to sell the for is high. I am also talking about full stacks of 200.

If you are finding full stack of 200 wood for less than 800g please tell me where.

P3ZZL3 · April 2015

And if you are finding raw materials for less than 4k a stack, please also tell me.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

And if you are finding raw materials for less than 4k a stack, please also tell me.

Are you on the EU or US server

P3ZZL3 · April 2015

EU - taken to PM rather than derail thread.

Cogo · April 2015

This is only about 1 thing. Lazy. People want more things for less effort.

I don't get it. Why play a game where you log in, get everything and log out?

Why is there no suggestion like "To get a guild server wide merchant that accepts sellers not in guild, but have a profit to the guild, hard to get hold of and cost alot?"

Risk vs reward. Or effort vs treasure?

Suggestion: Treasure maps that got better chance for good stuff but moving location weekly to stop googling?

Only thing we see...FREE RESPEC! Free stuff!

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

EU

I must have gotten lucky with those stacks I bought for 2k then.

See I don't mind selling them for around 800g-1200g a full stack because I am in the zone on my own most of the time and collect it in no time, but no one likes me undercutting their 2-4k prices.

JKorr · April 2015

Materials besides leather usually sell for around 1400-2000g, so don't say what I want to sell the for is high. I am also talking about full stacks of 200.

If you are finding full stack of 200 wood for less than 800g please tell me where.
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It would require you find a good guild to join, so it would never happen.

I've given full stacks of materials away to guildmates. I go out and harvest stuff for guildmates. For free. I've added mats and crafted sets of items for the guild bank for anyone in the guild who needs them. Not every guild is run like a dictatorship.

If anyone is completely dead set against the system the game has, the game might not be the right one for that person.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Cogo wrote: »

This is only about 1 thing. Lazy. People want more things for less effort.

I don't get it. Why play a game where you log in, get everything and log out?

Why is there no suggestion like "To get a guild server wide merchant that accepts sellers not in guild, but have a profit to the guild, hard to get hold of and cost alot?"

Risk vs reward. Or effort vs treasure?

Suggestion: Treasure maps that got better chance for good stuff but moving location weekly to stop googling?

Only thing we see...FREE RESPEC! Free stuff!

Do me a favour start from page one and skim through the topic and get a idea of what we are actually talking about in here.

Everything you just said is total nonsense and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

zeuseason · April 2015

I agree, this should be removed. I was even kicked from a guild for 'not selling enough'. How pathetic. It's only a matter of time before *all* trade guilds impose this rule. Sell or get kicked.

Funny part is that you can't control what sells outside of posting something, then removing to post it up again and undercut the next listing. Rinse repeat till it sells.

Zeri · April 2015

i dont understand the fuss over guild stores. in other mmos you have auction houses, which ALWAYS charge a cut of your profit, that goes to nobody. a guild store actually makes sense, because any cut actually goes to someone. its a win win situation. you get to sell your goods, and the seller gets profit. your losing a cut anyway, whats the difference? its not like you have to like the guild you are in, hell you dont ever have to even talk to them. be in one guild that you like, and another one just for selling, you can have five yaknow.

seriously, this 'we need an auction house' argument is completely confusing to me

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

Zeri wrote: »

i dont understand the fuss over guild stores. in other mmos you have auction houses, which ALWAYS charge a cut of your profit, that goes to nobody. a guild store actually makes sense, because any cut actually goes to someone. its a win win situation. you get to sell your goods, and the seller gets profit. your losing a cut anyway, whats the difference? its not like you have to like the guild you are in, hell you dont ever have to even talk to them. be in one guild that you like, and another one just for selling, you can have five yaknow.

seriously, this 'we need an auction house' argument is completely confusing to me

The reasons against the system are

You have to join a guild you don't want to, to be able to sell

A player has control over you selling

Top guilds control the best vendors

Vendors are spread out all over the place

Most vendors are in useless out the way places