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Races Completely Unbalanaced
Spangla
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I'm sorry I'm going to bang on about this until it is acknowledged that they are massively imbalanced.
Either offer a race change or balance the passives.
Either offer a race change or balance the passives.
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✭✭✭✭I don't think that should be an 'or'. They should buff the poor performing racials, AND offer a race change after the buffs. They definitely know about it, even if they don't communicate it in the forums. We honestly will just have to wait to see what they put out, and when they put it out. Racial balance is on a laundry list of items people have been clamoring about for a while now.1 -
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✭I'm starting to think ZOS need a bigger dev team. Personally the racials don't bother me that much, but there's so much they could be doing and what we actually get is very little when stuff is released.
ZOS hire more devs pls, you've got box sale money you can use now for a few six month contracts to speed things up
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Revenant_Spartan✭✭✭When everyone is buffed no one is buffed. Life isn't fair and people aren't born equal. Why should it be any different in ESO?
When you ask for everything to be perfectly balanced you make choice pointless. This type of thinking has lead to games like WoW turning into a cesspool of bland. Now everyone gives raid applicable buffs, now every racial is nerfed into uselessness. All flavour is removed because everyone can do what everyone does. No more priests giving stam buffs and needing ritualistic candles to do it. No more mages for intellect buffs...now multiple classes can give a stam/int buffs and hey... we even have scrolls and stuff that can apply the buff even if you aren't a class that has the buff! Amazing, how.....boring.
Maybe you should reconsider what you consider to be a priority.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 8, 2015 2:58PM12 -
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Very true. They need a LOT of new devs though, even bug fixes often take weeks on end to make it into game!Allow cross-platform transfers and merges0 -
Rettile✭Revenant_Spartan wrote: »When everyone is buffed no one is buffed. Life isn't fair and people aren't born equal. Why should it be any different in ESO?
When you ask for everything to be perfectly balanced you make choice pointless. This type of thinking has lead to games like WoW turning into a cesspool of bland. Now everyone gives raid applicable buffs, now every racial is nerfed into uselessness. All flavour is removed because everyone can do what everyone does. No more priests giving stam buffs and needing ritualistic candles to do it. No more mages for intellect buffs...now multiple classes can give a stam/int buffs and hey... we even have scrolls and stuff that can apply the buff even if you aren't a class that has the buff! Amazing, how.....boring.
Maybe you should reconsider what you consider to be a priority.
What race are you playing? and what class?
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Rair.Kitani✭✭✭Revenant_Spartan wrote: »When everyone is buffed no one is buffed. Life isn't fair and people aren't born equal. Why should it be any different in ESO?
When you ask for everything to be perfectly balanced you make choice pointless. This type of thinking has lead to games like WoW turning into a cesspool of bland. Now everyone gives raid applicable buffs, now every racial is nerfed into uselessness. All flavour is removed because everyone can do what everyone does. No more priests giving stam buffs and needing ritualistic candles to do it. No more mages for intellect buffs...now multiple classes can give a stam/int buffs and hey... we even have scrolls and stuff that can apply the buff even if you aren't a class that has the buff! Amazing, how.....boring.
Maybe you should reconsider what you consider to be a priority.
Don't want to be rude, but reading this i think you do not really know how powerfull racials are...
Khajiit's Stealth bonus isn't that good dps wise, it only favors ganking playstyle in pvp. Actually i would consider Khajiit a "weak" race.
Some races really got an edge with their ressource pool bonuses and with identical gear/skills two races dps can differ by around 5-10% depending which races
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Revenant_Spartan wrote: »When everyone is buffed no one is buffed. Life isn't fair and people aren't born equal. Why should it be any different in ESO?
When you ask for everything to be perfectly balanced you make choice pointless. This type of thinking has lead to games like WoW turning into a cesspool of bland. Now everyone gives raid applicable buffs, now every racial is nerfed into uselessness. All flavour is removed because everyone can do what everyone does. No more priests giving stam buffs and needing ritualistic candles to do it. No more mages for intellect buffs...now multiple classes can give a stam/int buffs and hey... we even have scrolls and stuff that can apply the buff even if you aren't a class that has the buff! Amazing, how.....boring.
Maybe you should reconsider what you consider to be a priority.
Choices are pointless anyway as a result of the sweeping changes. You cannot change the foundations of a game and not offer a change. It is the same as how you are allowed to re-skill. The reasons many people chose aragonian nb was completely removed on a whim. Infact the synergy no longer exists! Ridiculous.
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[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 8, 2015 2:59PM1 -
Revenant_Spartan✭✭✭Yeah, I don't know how powerful the racials are because I play what I want to. I chose an Imperial after my SO started playing so that I could play a human race in the AD. This was before TU and before I had the adventurers pack - before my imperial I played a Breton that pretty much looked the same. Don't care for racials. Also, I play a templar because of the fact I want to play one. Rolled it long time ago, and stuck with it even before the latest patch that apparantly made them more OP some say (others point out that alot of skills are bugged). Even played a sorc version for a bit for fun even though everyone was complaining sorcs got nerfed - enjoyed my Templar more for the skills and not the %. Also a werewolf in case you are wondering. 'Cause it's fun - no idea how powerful they are. Vamps whine WW are too OP, WW whine Vamps are to OP. Who cares?
And yeah, sorry if I came off as rude. I just get wound up because I've seen how alot of these types of innocuous changes tend to compound down the line.
And sweeping changes? You mean the stat shift too include a few zeroes? Or do you mean the changes to the armour classes' formulae to try and correct the fact that light armour was far superior to heavy etc. etc? What sweeping changes are you refering to?
And yes 5-10% difference is a bit. But why are people so hung up on the numbers? Killing bosses in trials/raids/whatever depends alot more than a few % in DPS/HPS. RNG, reaction, decision making and communication and group awareness plays a fair part in it all. People need to stop taking the numbers so seriously. I tend to think when it starts pulling 15-25%+ then maybe there is a big need to change it. But 5-10%? Maybe not so much.
Choosing a race/class and playing it when you hate it because you are so set on getting a few % more? You only really have yourself to blame. Not getting picked for a group because of race/class, the community's "min/max elitest" attitude is to blame and needs fixing.Edited by Revenant_Spartan on April 8, 2015 8:45AM8 -
Pendrillion✭✭✭✭I also want to point out the fact that those are talents. If you want to min max your build choose a race that corresponds to your build. In ES it was always thought to raise immersion and that you had to deal with your races advantages and disadvantages. They are never meant to be "Balanced". I know this raises problems in PVP. It might also be that you never see a Nord on the battlefield anymore because the mainstream thinks they are underpowered. Or only Dunmer running around.
Whatever it is. Racial passives are meant to enhance your game experience. Sometimes trying to cope with the disadvantages of your race can put you in a better place somewhere in the game. That was always part of the Elder Scrolls experience.3 -
Rair.Kitani✭✭✭I'm totally fine with playing how you want! At least this is the way it should be.
And to state this out clear, you can fulfill any role with any class or race somehow, if you're creative and think a bit you'll find a suitable build for everything.
BUT if you want to be really good at one specific role you're very limited about your choices. Now, what i think is, that when i choose a race, i choose mainly visuals and lore (or background) of my character. But i didn't expect this to define the role, or the effectiveness of my character. I just hate to know to be mediocre, no matter how much effort i put in my gear, my rotation etc.
The changes which I meant were the removement of softcaps. So back then your 10% stamina and 12% health as Imperial did not count fully because of softcaps and deminishing returns. At least when you have some decent gear you hit the cap with no problem. Now they count full.
Just for record, I'm a Khajiit Nightblade, my Carnage passive was fine before 1.6 but i think i really lost competitiveness after removal of softcapsEdited by Rair.Kitani on April 8, 2015 9:30AM0 -
Revenant_Spartan✭✭✭I understand the soft cap removal being a bit of change. It might feel a bit bastardly maybe but I do also agree with Pendrillion that ES games always have had the theme of coping with your weaknesses as much as taking advantage of your strengths. Why not take pride in being the person who is successful at what he does inspite of his supposed "bad racials"? It's all about numbers, not the feeling of real accomplishment it feels. I mean that in general, not any one person specifically.0
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Revenant_Spartan wrote: »I understand the soft cap removal being a bit of change. It might feel a bit bastardly maybe but I do also agree with Pendrillion that ES games always have had the theme of coping with your weaknesses as much as taking advantage of your strengths. Why not take pride in being the person who is successful at what he does inspite of his supposed "bad racials"? It's all about numbers, not the feeling of real accomplishment it feels. I mean that in general, not any one person specifically.
If you want to be that person with the bad race you still can be. Unfortunately this is not what I signed up for when I thought out my class/build synergy that has now been completely decimated.
Plus with 1 year's worth of investment I am still nowhere near max alliance war rank, I highly doubt that re rolling every month because of a patch is part of ZOS's character progression philosophy.
You cannot re-design the mechanics of the game by this much without redesigning racials! Especially when many of them are % based.
Aragonian NB - Enough said. You cannot justify not being able to change this after the recent potion changes.
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Pendrillion✭✭✭✭Okay I see your problem. But its not the racials per se. Its more that ZOS changed a core mechanic that destroyed your build. That would unnerve me as well.0
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Well it kind of is the racials as well - Now the % based racials are just massively more beneficial in every way.
Perhaps every race should have one unique racial that is not % based and the other 3 passives should be interchangeable and picked by the player.
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istateres✭✭✭✭Wait - why do the racial passives need to be "balanced"?? Why do we believe all the races should be "equal"? Differences exist, and SHOULD exist.
If you're a Min/Maxer, I'm sorry ZOS changed the racial passives (just like I am that they change the skills, or other things). Time to level a new character based on today's best choices. Maybe you can even get them to offer a race change feature in the cash shop.1 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭Wait - why do the racial passives need to be "balanced"?? Why do we believe all the races should be "equal"? Differences exist, and SHOULD exist.
If you're a Min/Maxer, I'm sorry ZOS changed the racial passives (just like I am that they change the skills, or other things). Time to level a new character based on today's best choices. Maybe you can even get them to offer a race change feature in the cash shop.
No just no.
Re-rolling is not an option unless you have far too much time on your hands.
Why should I have to pay to change race because of bad decisions made without any common sense or forethought?
Edited by Spangla on April 8, 2015 11:28AM0 -
Vaerth✭✭✭✭I'm sorry I'm going to bang on about this until it is acknowledged that they are massively imbalanced.
Either offer a race change or balance the passives.
I agree, not to mention they secretly nerfed Dunmer Fire Resist without telling the community, someone found it data mining.Pact Bloodwraith0 -
Endurance✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
they will get a bigger development team once people start shelling out money into the crown shop like theres no tomorrowI'm outta here0 -
jcasini222ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Lol saying racials are fine on an imperial, without soft caps, good stuff. Really that button is needed back.
Now for some real talk. I like uniqueness to racial passives. What I don't like is stupid pigeoned holed uniqueness. I love orcs, I've loved orcs since Daggerfalll/Morrowind. Currently I feel like I have wood elf passives on a big orc. Speed increase? Semi useful in pve. Otherwise pointless with mounts. Increased damage on charge attacks? Think comparatively against other races and find one where there is a damage increase given but it isn't to a wide swath of abilities. Like atlmer doing more elemtal dam. That effects a lot. A 6 percent increase for charge damage applies only to my gap closer.
BTW Im I won't be changing of Ramoc, he's an awesome orc, but racial passives need a total overall. I'd be willing to drop the charge damage for inspiration gains/better tempering or increase the dam so I can see it without.add-ons. Unique good. Dumb unique bad.1 -
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✭✭Stamina Sorc only advantage pre-1.6 was stacking weapon damage much higher than any other class.... even with softcaps. I no longer have that advantage because the game changed on me and therefore all of my racial passives are 100%useless for my now magicka based Sorc. I would love a race change even after racial passives are balanced.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭Not sure why some people are so adamantly against race changes... Look at other MMOs people1
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭The simple fact is that racial passives are now far more imbalanced and their impact greater than before 2.0. Now if you are awesome / highly skilled or have a race that has been effectively buffed, then this will not matter to you. Unfortunately this is not true for everyone and many have had their builds/playstyles destroyed by the changes in one way or another. In addition, this idea that racial passives should not be balanced is gibberish, they should not be the same, but they should be balanced in order for PvP to be remotely skill based.
And btw I do play an Argonian and I have not put any points into my racial passives... Yes they are that bad.1 -
Cathrin✭✭✭I think it is totally ok for PvP, as you are supposed to work in larger groups against other groups. But in PvE Trials or what ever people don't want a sorc-orc in their group.
So you should be able to:
- change your class or
- change your race
I would prefer the first one, as that is far more realistic then a change of race, but I can understand anyone, who does not want to grind to VR14 again.
Differences in racial features are ok but they should be equally strong, even, if it is only for one special class.0 -
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Step 4: Watch the game slowly dies as it becomes "Imperial Dragonknights Online" and people start finding better pastures.1
