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ZOS has to step up against cheating/exploiting now. End the Silence Zenimax
Hypertionb14_ESO
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its gotten really bad, and its getting worse.
People abusing Alts to get scrolls for other factions, Lagging out the servers, doing anything they know is not intented or flatout cheating/exploiting just to gain an advantage.
Everyone in haderus just now watched a single Yellow Alt run a blue scroll all the way back to Daggerfall Covenants home keeps. Just to try and get Second place in a nearly over campaign. its a definition of Pathetic, and its done because ZOS has taken no stance but to try and silence anything about this kind of behavior. It was done Blatantly with no regard to hiding their actions and the people involved clearly do not fear retribution from Devs.
IF they dont get vocal, and try and keep their games TOS enforced, they face a total loss of the majority of players. I watched more people just quit out of PvP from this once incident than i ever have over heavy lag or zerging in Thornblade. People are pissed off by this stuff and as long as ZOS does nothing about it, they will simply continue to lose more players once the inital B2P surge wears off.
End the Silence, be 100% upfront with your stance against this behavior and give reports about your actions taken, we need to see that you still care.
Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on April 7, 2015 6:18AM People abusing Alts to get scrolls for other factions, Lagging out the servers, doing anything they know is not intented or flatout cheating/exploiting just to gain an advantage.
Everyone in haderus just now watched a single Yellow Alt run a blue scroll all the way back to Daggerfall Covenants home keeps. Just to try and get Second place in a nearly over campaign. its a definition of Pathetic, and its done because ZOS has taken no stance but to try and silence anything about this kind of behavior. It was done Blatantly with no regard to hiding their actions and the people involved clearly do not fear retribution from Devs.
IF they dont get vocal, and try and keep their games TOS enforced, they face a total loss of the majority of players. I watched more people just quit out of PvP from this once incident than i ever have over heavy lag or zerging in Thornblade. People are pissed off by this stuff and as long as ZOS does nothing about it, they will simply continue to lose more players once the inital B2P surge wears off.
End the Silence, be 100% upfront with your stance against this behavior and give reports about your actions taken, we need to see that you still care.
I play every class in every situation. I love them all.
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Triumviri✭✭✭FYI for all those who have read this it happened again just a few moments ago, and just as i was typing this at BM with another ALT... this is not a valid tactic and needs to be stopped... i will no t pvp anymore until i see results on this method.2
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Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭saw that too, some day the pro players will stop cheating so we can see who really is good. . .some day.ESO player since beta.
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SC0TY999✭✭✭✭Yeah cross faction cheating is and has been a problem for quite some time!
To give another example I was with a group, all in hide at a resource about to defend it from attackers, when a random ally came over and spammed Purge lighting us all up like a Christmas tree. This was pre 1.6 however, but this kind of stuff does exist.
ZOS should never have allowed Alt faction character creation, on the same account. People can argue that they would like to experience AD EP or DC zones but you can with Cadwells Silver + Gold (so that excuse is null and void)!
So as it stands this avenue has been left wide open for cheats and exploiters.
At this present moment in time I feel they should remove the feature to create characters on Alt alliances (1 Alliance per account) and give people with Alt characters the option to move them to one alliance where they will stay.
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭At this present moment in time I feel they should remove the feature to create characters on Alt alliances (1 Alliance per account) and give people with Alt characters the option to move them to one alliance where they will stay.
I don't think they need to go this far, just allow an account's characters from one faction to play a campaign. Simples....
@Nermy
Ex-Leader of The Wabbajack [EU EP PvP guild - Now stood down from active duty]BLOOD FOR THE PACT!!!
Nermden - EP Warden, Nerm-in'a'tor - EP Dragon Knight, N'erm - EP Sorcerer, D'arkness - EP Nightblade, Nermy - EP Templar
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah cross faction cheating is and has been a problem for quite some time!
To give another example I was with a group, all in hide at a resource about to defend it from attackers, when a random ally came over and spammed Purge lighting us all up like a Christmas tree. This was pre 1.6 however, but this kind of stuff does exist.
ZOS should never have allowed Alt faction character creation, on the same account. People can argue that they would like to experience AD EP or DC zones but you can with Cadwells Silver + Gold (so that excuse is null and void)!
So as it stands this avenue has been left wide open for cheats and exploiters.
At this present moment in time I feel they should remove the feature to create characters on Alt alliances (1 Alliance per account) and give people with Alt characters the option to move them to one alliance where they will stay.
Nothing wrong with alt faction character creation.
How could you experience the whole game without silver/gold ?
What should have been done is 30 day faction lock for all alts in Cyrodiil.
So you cant be a traitor under any circumstances...or you cant battle with your team mates.
If you decide to play as DC....al AD and EP alts are disabled for cyrodiil until the 30 day campaigns end.
...the of course the travel to player has to go too in cyrodiil.
If you can be locked to a home campaign, locked to a guest campaing...there is no damn reason you cant be locked to an account wide faction too.Edited by Rune_Relic on April 7, 2015 10:18AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited6 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭Friday night we watched as a DC person with a fair weather name ran an ad scroll right back to the gate with them. They yelled in zone the whole time "leave this campaign leave this campaign". They did it soley because they are mad we are doing what ZOS asked us to do: spread out. They didn't want us in their campaign. And this person ought to be banned from the game for it.Edited by Jauriel on April 7, 2015 3:51PM6
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✭@ZOS_PaulSage & @ZOS_BrianWheeler
I know you've both said in the past the 3 alliance wars breeds strange alliances and tactics, but this is leading to gaming the system rather than challenging the players. As said previouslyZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Two Alliances ganging up on another alliance is something that's inherent to the 3 sided aspect of Cyrodiil, or any multi-team game above 2 really. Enemies of enemies forms strange bed-fellows and sometimes this turns out to be the 2 underpopulated/under-scoring alliances, sometimes it's not.
In terms of actual scroll trading where one alliance grabs a scroll and willingly dies/drops it, for another alliance to pick up and deposit, is not an exploit as much as it's campaign politics. Gate jumpers however, as we've discussed on these forums, is an exploit.
This activity involves a group getting one team mate in a keep from both factions, dragon leaping or chaining to an upper level, and letting them drop down to get a scroll, drop it, and then have the person you can't attack decide the fate of decide the fate of the scroll. If it was as simple as trading one scroll for another, but giving it to another faction for no clear benefit and by an individual is clearly explosive of the system. This means if I want to counter this I'd either need to make an alt on the other factions to be able to track down and kill this other spy, something I see equally as distasteful and exploitive to do against another faction, especially since I would have been homed or guested on another character.
So I get part of it, you want to breed an organic system where some politics and unique tactics can occur without locking us down with a heavy hand. Then let's consider a few systems to stop this or make it more interesting:
- Holding the scroll makes you attackable by anyone. simple and sweet. Yes there will be trolls with this, but with a zerg, it will be very hard to get a kill on a scroll carrier and still difficult for a spy to get away with a scroll and live. Let them send a spy in and steal it, we just want the chance to kill the spy and bring the scroll back.
- Multiple people are needed to pick up a scroll. This will still be abusrable, but raises the coordination necessary to spy grab a scroll, taking up more time and resources.
- Don't allow a scroll to be taken if the keep is not flagged under attack. - this will reduce the effects of chaining or dragon leaping into a keep. If you want, you can also handle this as a buff that you get when the keep is attacked that gives you credit toward capturing or picking up a scroll, so if you manage to stay alive inside after a keep flip you can still have a chance to grab a scroll or recapture without sieging a wall
- vote them a traitor. I'm not a fan of popular vote systems, but giving a person holding the scroll show up in our alliance tab and give us the ability to vote them a traitor If they are carrying a scroll. If they are branded. They will immediately drop the scroll and will be unable to pick it up for an hour+. The duration goes up each successful vote.
If we're not going to address what seems to be a clear violation of the system then please give us more tools and options in how to deal with this without making us reroll new toons.
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✭seriously, ZoS doesnt pvp and they dont give two craps about it anymore. Perma dodge rollers, insane WB hits, shield stacking (though I dont agree), close to 90% mitigation (this one is getting more popular), the list goes on and on. @ZoS just doesnt give two flying Fs about pvp. The sooner we all realize this the better it will be. Instead we get updates to quest in pve, bug fixes for pve stuff, pve pve pve pve pve. Meanwhile I will stand outside a pvp door trying to get in but before I can, the enemy zerg catches up to me and I finally go in......as a corpse
The travel to player stuff needs to go. We can start there. It is the worst thing to have in pvp that they could easily remedyEdited by Gorthax on April 7, 2015 6:15PM3 -
heystreethawk✭✭✭✭✭This kind of thing wouldn't happen if ZOS would just man up and give us boats to sail around in.GM of Fantasia
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RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭
✭These are just bad things remember that, there are no just cheats and exploits just bad stuff and bad people...
But this is just one of the many issues, but if I recall off the top of my head thing they once say spy metholds are valid, sadly. All factions do it, have done it and don't think it will stop any time soon0 -
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✭These are just bad things remember that, there are no just cheats and exploits just bad stuff and bad people...
But this is just one of the many issues, but if I recall off the top of my head thing they once say spy metholds are valid, sadly. All factions do it, have done it and don't think it will stop any time soon
Spy methods to what degree though? I've asked direct questions on this and the answers were murky at best, like asking a cop "what is accelerating too fast from a traffic device? How fast?" I imagine having an guy on AD sitting there to listen in on chat or let DC or EP their troop movement is allowed as a spy. Having someone sit there hoping around stealth guys for his team to kill I'd classify as harrassment, but I haven't heard that from ZOS directly. The issue with the scroll is another one. Trading the scroll is part of pvp politics, but should that be allowed of just one faction member and the rest of the enemy? That's not politics there, that's just a one sided exploit to me. Still no direct answer from ZOS though...0 -
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✭heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »These are just bad things remember that, there are no just cheats and exploits just bad stuff and bad people...
But this is just one of the many issues, but if I recall off the top of my head thing they once say spy metholds are valid, sadly. All factions do it, have done it and don't think it will stop any time soon
Spy methods to what degree though? I've asked direct questions on this and the answers were murky at best, like asking a cop "what is accelerating too fast from a traffic device? How fast?" I imagine having an guy on AD sitting there to listen in on chat or let DC or EP their troop movement is allowed as a spy. Having someone sit there hoping around stealth guys for his team to kill I'd classify as harrassment, but I haven't heard that from ZOS directly. The issue with the scroll is another one. Trading the scroll is part of pvp politics, but should that be allowed of just one faction member and the rest of the enemy? That's not politics there, that's just a one sided exploit to me. Still no direct answer from ZOS though...
Yeah that is always the problem, they can only answer vaugly on the forums for the most part due to their own rules they even impose on themselves which I can admire but does hinder things when it comes to topics like that, it starts to fall into talking about punishments and so on which is one thing they can't do here, not sure about their email support though, and reporting in game isn't always a option if you have video fortage, think they still have a methold to report exploits and so on by email, which should provide some better direct answers.0 -
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✭my suggestions for the scroll issue is probably the easiest and simplest to implement..
1: Require a keep to be flagged before you can pick up a enemy controlled scroll.
2: Add 3 Honor Guard NPCs to the scroll pedestal when a scroll is placed (currently scrolls are 100% unguarded by the NPCs)
these two changes would mean that even if you were to use known exploits to enter a keep, you would have to contend with the NPCs just to get to a scroll you could only pick up if you had been attacking the keep long enough to cut off transit.
there will always be Alt abuse however, and that is not as easy to place any countermeasures other than making it against the Code of Conduct in PvP, and a reportable offense.
the easiest way i soppose would be to DRAMATICALLY limit the hold time of the scrolls, to like 5 minutes when you first pick it up, and require another to pick it up before you can pick it up again.
this would stop one person from running a scroll across the map but also stop a Faction player singlehandedly running the scroll completly unopposed with a character on the faction that previously owned the scroll.
normal scroll runs would not suffer, as the scroll can be picked right back up by another player and there is usually a massive group of players following the scroll, only such "spy runs" would suffer as the single spy would lost the scroll too quickly to effectively move it the distance needed, and would not be able to pick it back up allowing players who are actually playing for that faction to return the scroll.Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on April 7, 2015 8:21PMI play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
j3crow✭✭✭I observed that same event. Ultimately, it is most likely the product of player frustrations.
The bottom line is that ZOS needs to come up with ways to manage the campaigns better as well as rebalance populations (ie. soft-cap on the largest alliance).
But they need to do something.
Their silence about an ongoing problem is the opposite of their stated intention of "being responsive to the concerns of players"1
