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Discrepancies that lead to Weapon Damage Bias
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The Mighty passive (+physical damage) doesn't even work.
Are you sure of that? That would be surprising since I've not heard that before and so many people are maximizing physical damage.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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2. In the champion skill line, there is always an advantage passive and counter passive (for the most part). Example being, you can buff you spell resists, but your enemy can buff their spell resist penetration. Simple comparison, but you get my point. Now some champion passives affect both spell and physical damage so we will ignore those (example being crit damage reduction). Instead I want to point out how magicka damage gets damaged reduced on a multi-tiered level as compared to physical damage:
Against spell damage you can:
-% increase your spell resists
-% flat damage reduce each spell damage type (fire,cold,lightning,magic, etc.)
Against physical damage you can:
-% increase your armor
- AND.... JK thats its.... get rekt
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What really weirds me out about the Hardy passive is it gives resistance to both Magicka and ranged Stamina (Bow) builds.
On my Light Armour build, putting points into a passive to make me take less damage from Lethal Arrow/Poison Injection spammers does not make me take less damage from any other Stamina users, and inexplicably reduces damage from casters instead.
Does Armour rating mitigate Poison damage or is it checking against Spell Resistance instead?
In either scenario, does this mean ranged Stamina builds have more counters than Melee Stamina builds for some completely arbitrary reason?
I remember this being brought up as a question back during the PTS and if I recall correctly primary bow damage is considered physical while your dot is reduced by spell resists. Someone might correct me on that, but things like lethal arrow are mitigated by armor, not spell resists.
So it is possible to invest in three (Hardy, Light Armour Focus and Thick Skinned) individual passives that all reduce the damage taken from the average Bow spammer; Three (Spell Shield, Hardy, Elemental Defender) passives that reduce damage from average casters; however, there is only one form of reduction against Wrecking Blow and it does not scale as a direct reduction but rather a % increase of my lowest stat pool due to being in 7 Light.
That's special.
Indeed... and part of the reason. Everything else undergoes an extra layer of reduction of a flat % damage decrease. What scares me about this, is that it will only get worse. We've got players already into the ~200s CS system maxing out physical damage increase as fast as they can.... Important to note dual wield will also be hitting you like this, its just not a 2 handed issue (and some? bow attacks).
Ah yes, that is a very valid concern as well.
Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert are directly countered by Hardy and Elemental Defender on top of other applicable reductions.
Mighty has no direct counter passive in the system."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
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2. In the champion skill line, there is always an advantage passive and counter passive (for the most part). Example being, you can buff you spell resists, but your enemy can buff their spell resist penetration. Simple comparison, but you get my point. Now some champion passives affect both spell and physical damage so we will ignore those (example being crit damage reduction). Instead I want to point out how magicka damage gets damaged reduced on a multi-tiered level as compared to physical damage:
Against spell damage you can:
-% increase your spell resists
-% flat damage reduce each spell damage type (fire,cold,lightning,magic, etc.)
Against physical damage you can:
-% increase your armor
- AND.... JK thats its.... get rekt
...
What really weirds me out about the Hardy passive is it gives resistance to both Magicka and ranged Stamina (Bow) builds.
On my Light Armour build, putting points into a passive to make me take less damage from Lethal Arrow/Poison Injection spammers does not make me take less damage from any other Stamina users, and inexplicably reduces damage from casters instead.
Does Armour rating mitigate Poison damage or is it checking against Spell Resistance instead?
In either scenario, does this mean ranged Stamina builds have more counters than Melee Stamina builds for some completely arbitrary reason?
I remember this being brought up as a question back during the PTS and if I recall correctly primary bow damage is considered physical while your dot is reduced by spell resists. Someone might correct me on that, but things like lethal arrow are mitigated by armor, not spell resists.
So it is possible to invest in three (Hardy, Light Armour Focus and Thick Skinned) individual passives that all reduce the damage taken from the average Bow spammer; Three (Spell Shield, Hardy, Elemental Defender) passives that reduce damage from average casters; however, there is only one form of reduction against Wrecking Blow and it does not scale as a direct reduction but rather a % increase of my lowest stat pool due to being in 7 Light.
That's special.
Indeed... and part of the reason. Everything else undergoes an extra layer of reduction of a flat % damage decrease. What scares me about this, is that it will only get worse. We've got players already into the ~200s CS system maxing out physical damage increase as fast as they can.... Important to note dual wield will also be hitting you like this, its just not a 2 handed issue (and some? bow attacks).
Ah yes, that is a very valid concern as well.
Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert are directly countered by Hardy and Elemental Defender on top of other applicable reductions.
Mighty has no direct counter passive in the system.
Exactly my point # 2 in the OP
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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Seem to recall some discussion about how the Mighty passive does not increase Tooltip damage, but does in fact increase damage output.
From posts that were in General Discussion, it does not seem to be having the issue that Elfborn was having with Heals not being affected by the passive at all."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WTB Physical Counterpart of Nirnhoned. (Increase armor by 24% for each peice)
Oh wait... That doesn't exist.Edited by Sypher on April 7, 2015 4:42PMDC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
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2. In the champion skill line, there is always an advantage passive and counter passive (for the most part). Example being, you can buff you spell resists, but your enemy can buff their spell resist penetration. Simple comparison, but you get my point. Now some champion passives affect both spell and physical damage so we will ignore those (example being crit damage reduction). Instead I want to point out how magicka damage gets damaged reduced on a multi-tiered level as compared to physical damage:
Against spell damage you can:
-% increase your spell resists
-% flat damage reduce each spell damage type (fire,cold,lightning,magic, etc.)
Against physical damage you can:
-% increase your armor
- AND.... JK thats its.... get rekt
...
What really weirds me out about the Hardy passive is it gives resistance to both Magicka and ranged Stamina (Bow) builds.
On my Light Armour build, putting points into a passive to make me take less damage from Lethal Arrow/Poison Injection spammers does not make me take less damage from any other Stamina users, and inexplicably reduces damage from casters instead.
Does Armour rating mitigate Poison damage or is it checking against Spell Resistance instead?
In either scenario, does this mean ranged Stamina builds have more counters than Melee Stamina builds for some completely arbitrary reason?
I remember this being brought up as a question back during the PTS and if I recall correctly primary bow damage is considered physical while your dot is reduced by spell resists. Someone might correct me on that, but things like lethal arrow are mitigated by armor, not spell resists.
So it is possible to invest in three (Hardy, Light Armour Focus and Thick Skinned) individual passives that all reduce the damage taken from the average Bow spammer; Three (Spell Shield, Hardy, Elemental Defender) passives that reduce damage from average casters; however, there is only one form of reduction against Wrecking Blow and it does not scale as a direct reduction but rather a % increase of my lowest stat pool due to being in 7 Light.
That's special.
Indeed... and part of the reason. Everything else undergoes an extra layer of reduction of a flat % damage decrease. What scares me about this, is that it will only get worse. We've got players already into the ~200s CS system maxing out physical damage increase as fast as they can.... Important to note dual wield will also be hitting you like this, its just not a 2 handed issue (and some? bow attacks).
Ah yes, that is a very valid concern as well.
Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert are directly countered by Hardy and Elemental Defender on top of other applicable reductions.
Mighty has no direct counter passive in the system.
Exactly my point # 2 in the OP
My error for glossing over the thread.
Had really ought to stop opening up threads before my morning meditation."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WTB Physical Counterpart of Nirnhoned. (Increase armor by 24% for each peice)
Oh wait... That doesn't exist.
Yeah I'm fine with increasing your SR by 24% *of the piece* and it is balanced since reinforced is 16% and provides both armor and SR but increasing your SR by 24% overall is just absurd for an armor trait and it needs fixed ASAP. This is easily as broken as the Nirnhoned weapon bug.
@ZOS_GinaBruno are you guys even aware of this one?Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭Perhaps the answer is obvious, but not to me.
How does one get that high weapon damage? I'm refering to the 4K+ to even 5K temporarily.
On my NB I've got:
5 Ravager
2 Red Mountain
2 Shadow walker
2 Morag Tong
Each of these sets adds weapon damage and I have 20K Stamina/20K health with food
With Rally up and Ravager Proc, I don't quite crack 4K.1 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭phreatophile wrote: »Perhaps the answer is obvious, but not to me.
How does one get that high weapon damage? I'm refering to the 4K+ to even 5K temporarily.
On my NB I've got:
5 Ravager
2 Red Mountain
2 Shadow walker
2 Morag Tong
Each of these sets adds weapon damage and I have 20K Stamina/20K health with food
With Rally up and Ravager Proc, I don't quite crack 4K.
I'd rather not give a how to manual, but there are ways. Off the top of my head there are other buffs you can continuously keep up. 0 -
Ifthir_ESO✭✭✭✭✭On to weapon damage, the same type of BIS build puts you at over 4k weapon damage.
Is this buffed or unbuffed? Id be surprised if it was unbuffed. With full hundings + morag tong + trials rings + all weapon damage enchants I can't get near 4k so I'd love to see the build that is hitting 4k weapon damage unbuffedFor brief periods of time I run with someone who boosts it to over 5k, just to put some things in perspective.
How long is that active for though? I assume this is with just about every possible alliance/skill/spell/class buff.
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »On to weapon damage, the same type of BIS build puts you at over 4k weapon damage.
Is this buffed or unbuffed? Id be surprised if it was unbuffed. With full hundings + morag tong + trials rings + all weapon damage enchants I can't get near 4k so I'd love to see the build that is hitting 4k weapon damage unbuffedFor brief periods of time I run with someone who boosts it to over 5k, just to put some things in perspective.
How long is that active for though? I assume this is with just about every possible alliance/skill/spell/class buff.
This is during buff, in both cases I was listing maximum potential (with buffs) for both spell and weapon damage. I probably should have been clear about that. When I said you could get even higher than 4k temporarily, its with buffs you cannot ALWAYS keep up.
Another example of discrepancy I left out, but since you ask is that the buff Continuous Assault gives 10% weapon damage, but not to spell damage... get rekt magicka users.Edited by Huntler on April 7, 2015 5:43PM2 -
phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭Relentless Focus for a NB and Flawless Dawnbreaker and either of the Hunter FG skills must help.
Still miles from 5K.0 -
Ifthir_ESO✭✭✭✭✭phreatophile wrote: »Relentless Focus for a NB and Flawless Dawnbreaker and either of the Hunter FG skills must help.
Still miles from 5K.
Thinking 3 piece Dreugh king + morag tong 4 piece + something else + enough buffs + stealth might get you close.
@Huntler I assume this is the type of build we are describing?0 -
Jakx✭✭✭✭✭Thermaturge sitting with a bunch of physical passives is so awful. It needs to be switched over like has been mentioned. Its complete bias that its sitting in a physical damage tree because magic dmg got paired with poisons/diseases. Maybe its just a sorc issue I dunno.
Also splitting up fire, frost, shock dmg CP from magic dmg splits some effectiveness as well versus the one skill you can pump for a flat physical increase across the board.
Agreeing pretty much with everything the OP states.Joined September 20131 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I find the OP's analysis insightful, but there are some parts which I deem more theoretical than what actually plays out in Cyrodiil.
First off, while it maybe obvious to everyone here what BIS means, it is not to me and the ever-popular response of ask google reveals "Bank for International Settlements" "Bureau of Industry and Security" "Bureau of Indian Standards" and other such entities that I am guessing the OP doesn't mean.
I understand this is a PvP oriented thread and I expect people to throw rotten tomatoes at me for saying this, but with all the weapon damage stacking and variety of competitive gear sets available to stamina users, there is relative balance between stamina and magicka DPS builds at the moment. We can hypothesize why this is, (OP sorcs
, magicka has more time on target, better class-weapon synergy for magicka than stamina, etc.), but I am not sure a higher average weapon damage on our character sheets has translated into more raw damage being put on player targets in Cyrodiil. And this does not even consider the reality that many of the best weapon powers are melee / short range which means less time on target.
And while there is there is a perception that Wrecking Blow is OP because people insist on posting no context death recaps, but I fail to see how that skill is objectively superior to the magicka based Crystal Shards.
Where I think the OP is onto something is the reality that it is far easier to mitigate magic damage than it is physical damage. This is best illustrated by the stupidly good yet awful Sorceror Overload ultimate. This is ridiculously powerful against a target that is incapable of reflect or harness magicka but worse than useless against a target that uses either of those two skills. Some might argue this is balance. I don't think so. Just because we get an overall "average" effect, does not mean that half the time we are an invincible god and half the time we are impotent is desirable. The game has many more ways to passively mitigate magic / elemental damage than physical. There is no reflecting WB or a shield that transfers much of its damage into resources that you can use yourself. So if the raw damage is equal, I suspect the actual damage is not. But I don't think spellpower / weapon power imbalance is causing this.
I also think the OP has a point in that the gear choices/variety for magicka users is far more limited than stamina users. I'm not sure how much of the community cares about this since I made a post asking for ZoS to give magicka users more options than 4 pieces of Martial Knowledge + 3 sets of 2 piece random spellpower, but nobody commented on it so that implies there is at least contentment there. When these magicka based classes realize that through interesting gear options I can have BOTH a higher weapon damage than their spell power AND the sustain to endlessly dodge roll, perhaps they will take the 5 minutes or so to communicate to ZoS the gear variety for them is terrible.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »phreatophile wrote: »Relentless Focus for a NB and Flawless Dawnbreaker and either of the Hunter FG skills must help.
Still miles from 5K.
Thinking 3 piece Dreugh king + morag tong 4 piece + something else + enough buffs + stealth might get you close.
@Huntler I assume this is the type of build we are describing?
This basically, I need to double check so I don't give false information with the guy in our guild I'd call the king of weapon damage, but I do believe he incorporates some off the wall stuff to really boost it to ludicrous levels. It definitely takes advantage of different buff stacking that aren't restricted by the minor/major buff system,Joy_Division wrote: »I find the OP's analysis insightful, but there are some parts which I deem more theoretical than what actually plays out in Cyrodiil.
First off, while it maybe obvious to everyone here what BIS means, it is not to me and the ever-popular response of ask google reveals "Bank for International Settlements" "Bureau of Industry and Security" "Bureau of Indian Standards" and other such entities that I am guessing the OP doesn't mean.
I understand this is a PvP oriented thread and I expect people to throw rotten tomatoes at me for saying this, but with all the weapon damage stacking and variety of competitive gear sets available to stamina users, there is relative balance between stamina and magicka DPS builds at the moment. We can hypothesize why this is, (OP sorcs , magicka has more time on target, better class-weapon synergy for magicka than stamina, etc.), but I am not sure a higher average weapon damage on our character sheets has translated into more raw damage being put on player targets in Cyrodiil. And this does not even consider the reality that many of the best weapon powers are melee / short range which means less time on target.
And while there is there is a perception that Wrecking Blow is OP because people insist on posting no context death recaps, but I fail to see how that skill is objectively superior to the magicka based Crystal Shards.
Where I think the OP is onto something is the reality that it is far easier to mitigate magic damage than it is physical damage. This is best illustrated by the stupidly good yet awful Sorceror Overload ultimate. This is ridiculously powerful against a target that is incapable of reflect or harness magicka but worse than useless against a target that uses either of those two skills. Some might argue this is balance. I don't think so. Just because we get an overall "average" effect, does not mean that half the time we are an invincible god and half the time we are impotent is desirable. The game has many more ways to passively mitigate magic / elemental damage than physical. There is no reflecting WB or a shield that transfers much of its damage into resources that you can use yourself. So if the raw damage is equal, I suspect the actual damage is not. But I don't think spellpower / weapon power imbalance is causing this.
I also think the OP has a point in that the gear choices/variety for magicka users is far more limited than stamina users. I'm not sure how much of the community cares about this since I made a post asking for ZoS to give magicka users more options than 4 pieces of Martial Knowledge + 3 sets of 2 piece random spellpower, but nobody commented on it so that implies there is at least contentment there. When these magicka based classes realize that through interesting gear options I can have BOTH a higher weapon damage than their spell power AND the sustain to endlessly dodge roll, perhaps they will take the 5 minutes or so to communicate to ZoS the gear variety for them is terrible.
BIS in terms of an MMO means "Best in Slot." In the context of this post I use it as a term of putting the most efficient gear on to achieve the goal of maximizing spell damage or weapon damage.
I think we seem to agree on everything for the most part in your post so the only thing I'll call a discrepancy towards is the comparison of wrecking blow to crystal shards. Lets only look at pure damage, although the stun component right now is broken on wreckling blow which in practice makes WB stronger by that alone (the double stun effect). Since there are more options to mitigate crystal shards damage, that is why WB>crystal is basically my point. More weapon damage while on the average in PvP might not look like much, for these glass cannon dodge builds, it means far, far superior burst damage. Compounded by not being able to try and counteract that damage with the same tools that exist against magicka damage.0 -
LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Another example of discrepancy I left out, but since you ask is that the buff Continuous Assault gives 10% weapon damage, but not to spell damage... get rekt magicka users.
This one seems like an oversight rather than an intentional design decision. Hopefully this can be corrected. Perhaps @ZOS_BrianWheeler can shed some light here.1 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭LonePirate wrote: »Another example of discrepancy I left out, but since you ask is that the buff Continuous Assault gives 10% weapon damage, but not to spell damage... get rekt magicka users.
This one seems like an oversight rather than an intentional design decision. Hopefully this can be corrected. Perhaps @ZOS_BrianWheeler can shed some light here.
It does, it made sense pre 1.6 that it had benefits for everyone, but given the way 1.6 works now it makes 0 sense whatsoever. I brought this up in a ZOS meeting quite a while back and they seemed to agree with us, but still no change to it which.... makes me a sad, sad panda.1 -
Verdwhisper✭✭✭If they wanted to fix this game, they would not spend time on champion system. They should polish what we had in 1.5, fix bugs, working on to give us imperial city. Instead, they spent all time on champion system (a system without think through), game relaunch, console release. I don't blame their will to make money, but then you know this game will never be what we expected it would be.1
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agree with OP wholeheartedly! I also want to mention that there are TONS of Light Armor and Magicka oriented sets that are screwed up after 1.6 because their Weapon Damage buffs should have been converted to Spell Damage buffs... but weren't.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
Perma dodgers are annoying at best. Getting hit by a crit rush from a stam glass cannon hurts like a mofo. Cryst frag for example? Not nearly as much. What magicka builds do have is delayed dmg (curse, inevitable det) combine that with another high dmg attack and you are going to get recked. Aoe dmg doesbt count imho. Oh yea!!! I can do 20k dps!!! Split up over 12people... Wow... Nice...I might be wrong since I have not thought this true as much as you (djeezes christ). I agree with your analysis at first glance. But a magicka user has acces to better defense then a stam user imho.
Sorcs: hardened ward + bol. With good dps and sustain
DK's: flappy wings + gdb. Not too familiar with dk builds. The one class I never played. Hope someone can help out?
Templar: go for 25k+ health +magicka sustain build -> blazing shield + breath of life + puncturing sweep.
Nb's: sap tank? (Some people say it sucks now, some swear to it untill they die)
Stamina got the burst dmg glass cannons atm. Magicka has got the survivability + relative good dps. I get ganked by stam cannons. Prolonged fights with 1 guy tanking five while killing people? Magicka builds.
permaroll dodging is the best defense in the game, lmao, and magicka has the burst dmg glass cannons. think you got it a lil backwards brah
If you are getting hit for full damage by Magicka Detonation, and Curse its your own fault. its the most telegraphed burst damage in the game, if you cant pop one boneshield for that and negate all the damage because shields cannot be crit then thats your own fault. i get hit as hard as 20k and more from stealthers burst all the time with zero telegraphs.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »Thinking 3 piece Dreugh king + morag tong 4 piece + something else + enough buffs + stealth might get you close.
@Huntler I assume this is the type of build we are describing?This basically, I need to double check so I don't give false information with the guy in our guild I'd call the king of weapon damage, but I do believe he incorporates some off the wall stuff to really boost it to ludicrous levels. It definitely takes advantage of different buff stacking that aren't restricted by the minor/major buff system,
Running with 5 Ravager, 2 Tong, 2 Red Mountain, 2 Shadow. These all buff weapon damage, heck the Ravager procs +600, and Major and minor brutality buffs. Outside of Cyrodil the Continous Attack doesn't apply. I'm going to have to spend some time tracking this down.
Mostly just a curiousity. I'm assuming that 5K value is calculated not Char Sheet.
Back on topic, there is some justification to be found for weapon damage being higher if we are talking about melee. Using the same pool for mitigation and damage and having to get into the hurt to do any damage.
It wasn't long ago that it was go magic or go home. Some balancing work is definitly still needed.0 -
Ifthir_ESO✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »Another example of discrepancy I left out, but since you ask is that the buff Continuous Assault gives 10% weapon damage, but not to spell damage... get rekt magicka users.
This one seems like an oversight rather than an intentional design decision. Hopefully this can be corrected. Perhaps @ZOS_BrianWheeler can shed some light here.
Well, counterpoint - doesnt bone shield give spell dmg and not weap damage?0 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭phreatophile wrote: »Ifthir_ESO wrote: »Thinking 3 piece Dreugh king + morag tong 4 piece + something else + enough buffs + stealth might get you close.
@Huntler I assume this is the type of build we are describing?This basically, I need to double check so I don't give false information with the guy in our guild I'd call the king of weapon damage, but I do believe he incorporates some off the wall stuff to really boost it to ludicrous levels. It definitely takes advantage of different buff stacking that aren't restricted by the minor/major buff system,
Running with 5 Ravager, 2 Tong, 2 Red Mountain, 2 Shadow. These all buff weapon damage, heck the Ravager procs +600, and Major and minor brutality buffs. Outside of Cyrodil the Continous Attack doesn't apply. I'm going to have to spend some time tracking this down.
Mostly just a curiousity. I'm assuming that 5K value is calculated not Char Sheet.
Back on topic, there is some justification to be found for weapon damage being higher if we are talking about melee. Using the same pool for mitigation and damage and having to get into the hurt to do any damage.
It wasn't long ago that it was go magic or go home. Some balancing work is definitly still needed.
The over 5k value was when he was an emperor and it was in Cyro. So its probably better to ignore my 5k number and stay at the 4k for your average player who pushes weapon damage (maximizes).Edited by Huntler on April 7, 2015 7:45PM0 -
Valnas✭✭✭✭nmEdited by Valnas on April 7, 2015 8:02PMFluph Head EP sorc dank magus
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saintmurray✭✭✭When they stop crystal frags and heavy attacks from dks hitting for 16k+ (I got 22k spell resist as well) I will feel bad foe magica users. Until then nope.Saintmurray-V14-Bamplar-EP Former Emp Haderus
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭saintmurray wrote: »When they stop crystal frags and heavy attacks from dks hitting for 16k+ (I got 22k spell resist as well) I will feel bad foe magica users. Until then nope.
Ohh so you put on Medium Armor with a couple pieces of Nirnhoned or full heavy? Congrats.....you sacrificed so much to get 22K spell resist.
Your 16K+ Crystal frag *crits* should be a thing of the past after last patch.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
Perma dodgers are annoying at best. Getting hit by a crit rush from a stam glass cannon hurts like a mofo. Cryst frag for example? Not nearly as much. What magicka builds do have is delayed dmg (curse, inevitable det) combine that with another high dmg attack and you are going to get recked. Aoe dmg doesbt count imho. Oh yea!!! I can do 20k dps!!! Split up over 12people... Wow... Nice...I might be wrong since I have not thought this true as much as you (djeezes christ). I agree with your analysis at first glance. But a magicka user has acces to better defense then a stam user imho.
Sorcs: hardened ward + bol. With good dps and sustain
DK's: flappy wings + gdb. Not too familiar with dk builds. The one class I never played. Hope someone can help out?
Templar: go for 25k+ health +magicka sustain build -> blazing shield + breath of life + puncturing sweep.
Nb's: sap tank? (Some people say it sucks now, some swear to it untill they die)
Stamina got the burst dmg glass cannons atm. Magicka has got the survivability + relative good dps. I get ganked by stam cannons. Prolonged fights with 1 guy tanking five while killing people? Magicka builds.
permaroll dodging is the best defense in the game, lmao, and magicka has the burst dmg glass cannons. think you got it a lil backwards brah
If you are getting hit for full damage by Magicka Detonation, and Curse its your own fault. its the most telegraphed burst damage in the game, if you cant pop one boneshield for that and negate all the damage because shields cannot be crit then thats your own fault. i get hit as hard as 20k and more from stealthers burst all the time with zero telegraphs.
Doesn't Bone Shield only mitigate physical damage in a manner similar to how Annulment only mitigates spell damage?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »
Perma dodgers are annoying at best. Getting hit by a crit rush from a stam glass cannon hurts like a mofo. Cryst frag for example? Not nearly as much. What magicka builds do have is delayed dmg (curse, inevitable det) combine that with another high dmg attack and you are going to get recked. Aoe dmg doesbt count imho. Oh yea!!! I can do 20k dps!!! Split up over 12people... Wow... Nice...I might be wrong since I have not thought this true as much as you (djeezes christ). I agree with your analysis at first glance. But a magicka user has acces to better defense then a stam user imho.
Sorcs: hardened ward + bol. With good dps and sustain
DK's: flappy wings + gdb. Not too familiar with dk builds. The one class I never played. Hope someone can help out?
Templar: go for 25k+ health +magicka sustain build -> blazing shield + breath of life + puncturing sweep.
Nb's: sap tank? (Some people say it sucks now, some swear to it untill they die)
Stamina got the burst dmg glass cannons atm. Magicka has got the survivability + relative good dps. I get ganked by stam cannons. Prolonged fights with 1 guy tanking five while killing people? Magicka builds.
permaroll dodging is the best defense in the game, lmao, and magicka has the burst dmg glass cannons. think you got it a lil backwards brah
If you are getting hit for full damage by Magicka Detonation, and Curse its your own fault. its the most telegraphed burst damage in the game, if you cant pop one boneshield for that and negate all the damage because shields cannot be crit then thats your own fault. i get hit as hard as 20k and more from stealthers burst all the time with zero telegraphs.
Doesn't Bone Shield only mitigate physical damage in a manner similar to how Annulment only mitigates spell damage?
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