Please do not remove veteran ranks.

cyclonus11 · April 2015

I wouldn't be all too thrilled to have all of this advancement yanked out from under me. I'd probably unsub. If people don't want to do Cadwell's quests, then provide a valid alternative for advancing (like an expansion pack with totally new content), but keep Cadwell's G/S in place. I personally enjoy them and would be sorely disappointed if I suddenly wasn't able to complete them. I do not plan on playing alts. I always play MMOs with a single character and don't want to have to create new ones to enjoy the other content.

liammozzb16_ESO · April 2015

I don't think they will remove the quests just the vet ranks. If they did remove all those quests they would be stupid.

ElliottXO · April 2015

Nobody is talking about removing Caldwell's, so chill out.

nimander99 · April 2015

Don't be shocked when ZoS realizes the impossibility of rebalancing the game down to level 50 and posts a letter saying Ranks are here too stay.

Zhoyzu · April 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

Don't be shocked when ZoS realizes the impossibility of rebalancing the game down to level 50 and posts a letter saying Ranks are here too stay.

id be livid

nimander99 · April 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Don't be shocked when ZoS realizes the impossibility of rebalancing the game down to level 50 and posts a letter saying Ranks are here too stay.

id be livid

I'm just saying when you think about it, really think about it! The idea of balancing the game and all of the higher crafted gear down to lvl 50 not too mention stats alone, It's seems to me like an unrealistic goal. We shouldn't have unreal expectations...

Glurin · April 2015

Future patch notes:

Veteran ranks removed.

Maximum level raised to 63.

Jando · April 2015

I have another thread (one of many) on this same issue.

My simple solution is not to remove veteran ranks, but to lower the xp required to gain each rank equal the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50. Essentially, VR14 becomes level 63. No other changes to the game are required. It can probably be done in a hotfix. Problem solved. Should have been done months ago.

Sinthrax · April 2015

Glurin wrote: »

Future patch notes:

Veteran ranks removed.

Maximum level raised to 63.

This is the best I think they will do. I am not convinced they are going to do anything though.

AssaultLemming · April 2015

Hope they don't remove them, but they could reduce the grind a bit by making vr10 the max again

vovus69 · April 2015

I hope they will never remove the VR ranks - to much is linked together and will fall apart if you will do this. So they perhaps will increase the vet ranks to 20-30 - this would be wonderful. And perhaps introduce DLC content for it...

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

I wouldn't be all too thrilled to have all of this advancement yanked out from under me. I'd probably unsub. If people don't want to do Cadwell's quests, then provide a valid alternative for advancing (like an expansion pack with totally new content), but keep Cadwell's G/S in place. I personally enjoy them and would be sorely disappointed if I suddenly wasn't able to complete them. I do not plan on playing alts. I always play MMOs with a single character and don't want to have to create new ones to enjoy the other content.

Well can't they remove VR alone tho. I don't think there was any talk about removing VR content as of yet.

Moiskormoimi · April 2015

Oh, they need to remove the idea of vet ranks entirely. They do. It's a stale effort idea to have players go around to other factions starting zones and do all those quests...again. It always has been.They released the game far too early, and this is what we got. Be happy that you have things like Craglorn to make it seem that actually cared about end game content. Prior to that, vet questing was all we had.

nimander99 · April 2015

Sinthrax wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Future patch notes:

Veteran ranks removed.

Maximum level raised to 63.

This is the best I think they will do. I am not convinced they are going to do anything though.

Agreed

nimander99 · April 2015

amber_picchiottino_ESO wrote: »

Oh, they need to remove the idea of vet ranks entirely. They do. It's a stale effort idea to have players go around to other factions starting zones and do all those quests...again. It always has been.They released the game far too early, and this is what we got. Be happy that you have things like Craglorn to make it seem that actually cared about end game content. Prior to that, vet questing was all we had.

I actually really like the ability to do all factions quests, especially as a non alt player. And I also love the idea of vet ranks, I personally wish we'd see more and more with new zones but I know that wont happen, and I also know I'm a minority as far as liking Cadwell's and Vet Ranks

TD5160_ESO · April 2015

I could see them just reorganizing the levels so that level 50 = VR14

but even that, I won't hold my breath for.

kewl · April 2015

Leveling from VR1 - VR14 was about as much fun as rubbing broken glass into my eyes. Done it three times already. They need to go, K-T extinction style.

Natjur · April 2015

The way I see it

The vet zones (the other factions) will not be removed, but the level of the mobs there most likely will all be dropped to L50 (instead of V1 to V10)

Gear that drops will need you to be L50 + X CP points to wear. (so V1 gear will need you to be L50 and 10 Cp points before you can wear them.)

So I think the V1 to V10 zones could be an easy convert. But Craglon, trials, Vet dungeons and dsa....
Not sure how they would convert those to L50 and still make them fun to do with loot you want to go get.

Varicite · April 2015

Please do not listen to the OP and go ahead and do what you've been telling us you would for the past 6 months and have changed the entire game around to do.

Dragsooth · April 2015

As long as they work to rebalance the game, give the people who grinded Vet levels something equivalent to make sure it wasn't for nothing, I'd be fine with no more Vet levels

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

I have another thread (one of many) on this same issue.

My simple solution is not to remove veteran ranks, but to lower the xp required to gain each rank equal the amount of xp needed to go from 49-50. Essentially, VR14 becomes level 63. No other changes to the game are required. It can probably be done in a hotfix. Problem solved. Should have been done months ago.

I had to comment on this...specifically because this is a much bigger change than turning a VR indicator into a numeric level.

Why:
-VR level exp is approx 8 champion levels
-character levels are approx 10 VR levels
-VR exp converted into champion levels was approx 5 champion levels per 1 VR level at the introduction of patch 2.0
-people aren't upset or bothered by the VR level indicator
-people want credit for the progress made in VR

So I'd suggest that simply changing a character level beyond 50 to equal a VR level requires reworking of all the exp gains, Champ exp gains and any VR content.

It may work better in adjusting the VR levels into the champion system as a before and after exp gauge has been established. And today's exp gains work within the two.

I just don't see using a character level as a viable solution based on what has occurred.
I thought that idea would've work prior to champion levels but it's too late now...I think

c0rp · April 2015

The content isnt going anywhere. The # is what needs to go.

Chuggernaut · April 2015

I'm pretty sure post VR removal, equipment will start to work work off your max CPs, kind of like Diablo 3.

Emma_Overload · April 2015

I think all they need to do is remove the VR level designation (and VR level requirement) from all VR gear and simply scale the STATS of those sets off of CP. That way no one has to level alts past VR1 to wear the best gear, but everyone who grinds CP gets the full benefit of their labor.

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cyclonus11 · April 2015

Glurin wrote: »

Future patch notes:

Veteran ranks removed.

Maximum level raised to 63.

I am totally fine with reorganizing experience earned into an equivalent amount of levels. It's just removing everything and dumping everyone back to 50 that I don't want, regardless of how they scale the equipment. And CP's aren't a good enough substitute.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2015

Chuggernaut wrote: »

I'm pretty sure post VR removal, equipment will start to work work off your max CPs, kind of like Diablo 3.

This kinda kicks those who have invested into VR leveling ...it's like saying bumb you twice. They got shafted on having more than one VR14 or having more than a few VR chars that shouldve received more than 70 cp

Jaxsun · April 2015

The only thing they need to to is make the xp needed to attain the next vr rank scale the way it does form 1-49. That's it. They don't have to remove any levels, content, gear etc. Then, when they introduce new content they won't have to increase the level cap because the content is needed for attaining champion points.

bosmern_ESO · April 2015

I have 3 V14's (they all have a minimum of 25 days played) and working on my fourth. I would love to have Vet ranks taken out, I don't care about the work i put for my Vet ranks.

Vet ranks need to be taken out because you can go from level 1-50 easy, and anyway you want. It's extremely enjoyable. But in Vet ranks right now, you usually dont care about the other factions, or you have to grind forever which is extremely boring.

LonePirate · April 2015

I do not want veteran ranks removed. I would prefer for the XP requirements to be lowered to 400K per level instead of the current 1M and I would also favor having Enlightenment apply to VR levels in order to speed up the leveling process. I would also support the ability of players to use a template to create new VR14 players if they have a VR14 character who has completed Cadwell's Gold.

crowfl56 · April 2015

Just one more cluster truck, they have come up with to try and repair all the other truck ups.

Remember they had to add VR levels, to keep interest in the game when lots of their players maxed out in a couple days.

But we all outa luck until the console launch, most all efforts are aimed at that.

Xjcon · April 2015

Leave VR levels alone and focus on content.