Vet XP is broken now, math included

Endurance · March 2015

lol.. VR1 monsters & players have the same HP and stats as VR14 monsters & players.. also each level from VR1 to VR14 requires a static 1mill exp.. yeah probably does need to be reworked

Skafsgaard · March 2015

Upon reading this (especially the many many moons @Cody ) had fund finding apples for a Bosmer or some other important quest, I feel glad I chose the Hircine Grind. Yes, I spent 5 boring days in Hircine but quickly became max level so I could PvP. This was my objective. I actually didnt want to do the DC / EP zones on my AD main. I chose the grind to quickly become max lvl so I could PvP BUT I also chose the grind, so I could do the DC / EP quest lines on a DC / EP Char. I wanted to save content (already in summer realizing how little there is) so that when I rolled an Alt 3-6 months later I could do quests for the FIRST TIME.

So a lot of poeple have different strategies on levelling based on NUMEROUS different things. But damn this vet grind sounds crazy now

Hircine !

All that aside, my choice has benefitted me more than I knew back then. Since I am now doing gold/silver quests (though mainly for the skyshards), but the quests now give me CP - which I would have locked myself out of, had I done them earlier.

Anyway, ES series has never been about doing EVERYTHING but doing what was interesting to you (it gave choice, not force my hand). And I think it's fine some people want to do it all, at least one time. When you have to do it ALL 3rd or 4th time it's really REALLY boring.

I have played ALL ES games (except Daggerfall) and I love questing, if it's smart and good quests. Unfortunately, quests in ESO is mindblowingly boring with few exceptions (mage/fighter guild + main quest) work is put in here. Other random quests in the world? Just a copy of simple WoW type quests, go there get that etc. I dont have to have done it before to find these very boring. Point being, just because you want to do it all, doesnt mean EVERYONE should do it. It would be like me claiming you need Alliance Rank 10 in order to ding v14 or something. I understand people play games their own way, and I feel that if a game allow a player to find/develop his own style and not force something on him, the game is generally better and at least more enjoyable on the next or 10th play through.

onlinegamer1 · March 2015

Ysne58 wrote: »

I think it is probably fair to say that the exp is broken for some Vr characters and not for others. ZOS needs to look into the ones who are doing everything and getting less experience than others. There must be some unsquished bugs causing the differences.

I disagree.

There is one screenshot (mine) proving the XP is too low.
None proving its enough.

Like I said, this thread has devolved into "pic or it didn't happen" mode.
Although, to be fair, those claiming there is enough XP can't really prove it with a pic - because a pic doesn't show how much mob grinding you did.

Zimnel · March 2015

I'm actually leveling my v3 sorc doing Cadwell's Silver in DC and I don't think it's being a slowfest thing.
I still have almost half of Stormhaven not done aproximately and I've hitted a quarter of veteran level in just a session or two of gaming. I'm enjoying the ride doing my crafting writs, exploring and not rushing the content. I've never did a single grind in this game because for me, questing is not grinding. I don't care about having things fast and that's why this is not an issue for me. I feel like progressing in the game so by now, I'm having a good experience with XP.

Perhaps we could have something working similar to enlightment related to XP. Some sort of "resting" bonus : )

NewBlacksmurf · March 2015

I just don't get the post 50 parts of this game. It's just not where it should be.

Zheg · April 2015

We're coming up on a full month and ZOS still hasn't said a word on any of these topics. They opened up a developer's discussion and that's been quiet as well. Taking a look at the front page of general discussion pretty much demonstrates what a problem they have with veteran levels - one that's only going to grow as returning and new players run into the vet wall. What are you doing ZOS? Say something on the subject already, even if it's just "deal with it, vet ranks aren't going away until 2016 and here's an XP pot in the crown store."

Ysne58 · April 2015

I kill everything in my path and I'm level 7 in vr 6 zone. Yes exp is too low. But different people are finding different experiences. The only things I'm missing are stuff I need a group to do with.

Before it changed from vet points to exp people didn't have to do everything to get through Cadwells SIlver and Gold and would at least consistently be vr 10. Now it's a much wider range of levels when completing them.

This is why I'm thinking there may be some unsquished bugs.

onlinegamer1 · April 2015

There isn't any difference in experiences. Only what people actually do. You are effectively grinding mobs, even though you're not "standing in one spot grinding", whereas the rest of us seeing shortage of XP are doing content AS DESIGNED - killing all mobs on way to poi, all mobs in a delve, all mobs at a dolmen, etc. but we aren't grinding.

Grinding CANNOT be REQUIRED as part of the normal leveling process at VR levels (or post-50 once VR goes away). Grinding should be an OPTION, but not a REQUIREMENT.

BesMaster · April 2015

Gorthax wrote: »

where have you been, living under a rock? They ARE putting them in the game lol seriously....come on

Maybe you live under a rock . Soon introduce this means that they are not in the game and take them into consideration does not make sense . They could introduce in 2.0.3 but at the last moment removed . Developers frightened reaction of children and the homeless about p2w and possibly xp pots do not add

Faugaun · April 2015

Just for an updated perspective over the last couple weeks I leveled an alt from vr1 to vr2.8 doing cadwells silver.

I completed the entire vr1 zone, everything, then in an attempt to unlock Caldwell gold I did only the required quests for the next four zones. The total exp got me to vr2.8 now that's a ton of horsing around and exploration completion about 100 quests, lots of mob kills (many 1-3 vr above me), PvP exp buff, esoplus exp buff and two person group exp buff.

It was good gold and a lot of extra skill points. Overall it took probably less than 16h played to complete it all.

jasdistefanob14_ESO · April 2015

I gain about VR level per zone. That's clearing the entire zone - all missions, dolmens, delves, bosses, locations, etc. This also includes XP from kills. If you constantly avoid mobs going from one point to the next then you are going to receive less XP per zone.

Chuggernaut · April 2015

You left off monster kills which usually in my experience exceed the mission's xp reward. As a VR5 in VR6 content, I'm getting around 500 xp/kill.

Chuggernaut · April 2015

You left off monster kills which usually in my experience exceed the mission's xp reward. As a VR5 in VR6 content, I'm getting around 500 xp/kill.

wraith808 · April 2015

murtrem_ESO wrote: »

I'm gaining about 1 1/4 vet levens per zone. Just started Cadwells gold at v6. Even gained 4 champion points doing less than half of the final Cadwells sliver zone last night (enlightened). XP seems spot on.

This. I'm almost done with Caldwell's Gold (I just started Bangkorai) and I'm almost VR12.

wraith808 · April 2015

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

By clearing ALL items in each zone, including dolman, boss, quests (yes you have to do the quests) I am consistently 1 -2 vet levels above each zone and after gold and silver I am VR12 at minimum.
you have to take the time, yes it does take time, and clear every quest, every point of interest, etc etc.

Again, false.

I just did VR1-10 (all Silver + Gold zones) and got from 78% - 82% of a VR level. All 10 zones.

You people are either purposefully lying when you say you get a whole VR level, or you are supplementing your XP with PvP, Trials, Pledges, grinding or other (non-zone) sources of XP.

Or we're having a different experience than you. Perhaps... there's a bug? A better idea to assume than to just assume that people are lying to you.

ArconSeptim · April 2015

Zheg wrote: »

In the attempt to prevent and nerf potential xp exploits for champion point gains, ZOS has actually broken veteran leveling, and I usually hate to use the word broken in cases like this. Here's the math:

It takes 1000000 xp for each veteran level now.

There are 5 zones per alliance, and each zone has 3 dolmens, 6 world bosses, and 6 solo delves. Doing all of these objectives for a single zone nets you ~5000 xp for each. Doing simple math, 3 + 6 + 6 = 15 objectives.

At 5000 xp each, we're looking at 15 * 5000 = 75000 xp to clear an entire zone.

Since there are 5 zones per alliance, if you do all of these objectives, we're looking at 5 * 75000 = 375000 xp.

This is 375000 / 1000000 = 37.5% of a SINGLE veteran level. Previously, doing these objectives for a single alliance would net about 3 full veteran levels.

My guild just did a dolmen/world boss event where we ran around each AD zone killing them for xp, and I gained about 25% of a veteran level.

Craglorn isn't any better, as I've done almost the entire lower + upper main questline today and a few group delves. Completion of each nets you the same ~5k xp, though one of the main quests gave 16k.

Luckily I already have a v14, and two v12s. I absolutely will not be leveling my v1 templar with the current vet xp system in place. This needs to be fixed ASAP, as any new players coming into the game in 1.5 weeks when the game goes BTP will take one look at this horrible grind and probably throw in the towel.

If you want to keep people from grinding too many champion points too quickly, I support that. But you cannot break the veteran leveling system in order to do so.

While I refuse to do all of the quests in an alliance to test this, I think at the current xp rewards, doing every quest, dolmen, world boss, and solo dungeon for an alliance would net you less than 4 vet levels, and the original design was 5 vet levels of content for each alliance (and this did not include doing every single little quest either).

ZOS said that vet levels will not be removed in time for the console release, which many people interpret as they're staying in the game permanently which will run contrary to their previous position on saying they're being removed eventually. I would much rather see veteran levels go away completely as the fix, but since that seems unlikely to happen, you either need to greatly increase the vet xp rewards to be more in line with what they were previously, or you need to significantly lower the XP needed to achieve a veteran level.

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onlinegamer1 · April 2015

wraith808 wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

By clearing ALL items in each zone, including dolman, boss, quests (yes you have to do the quests) I am consistently 1 -2 vet levels above each zone and after gold and silver I am VR12 at minimum.
you have to take the time, yes it does take time, and clear every quest, every point of interest, etc etc.

Again, false.

I just did VR1-10 (all Silver + Gold zones) and got from 78% - 82% of a VR level. All 10 zones.

You people are either purposefully lying when you say you get a whole VR level, or you are supplementing your XP with PvP, Trials, Pledges, grinding or other (non-zone) sources of XP.

Or we're having a different experience than you. Perhaps... there's a bug? A better idea to assume than to just assume that people are lying to you.

No, as I said, you're grinding. Not "stand in one spot for hours on end grinding", but you are all still grinding.

wraith808 · April 2015

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

I decided to just end this thread with picture evidence that XP IS TOO LOW.

Pic is of:
- VR10 Sorc
- On the LAST QUEST in the Rift (VR10 Zone, Cadwells Gold)
- Map CLEARLY shows EVERYTHING IS DONE (all Delves, Quests, World Bosses, Dolmens and Explorer points)
- Again, as I said before, I WALKED the zone as to maximize random mob kills, and had no other sources of XP (No PvP, Dungeons, Trials, DSA, Writs, or Pledges).

Total XP: 794,659
Shortfall: 205,341 XP

ZOS, XP IS BROKEN.

In your experience. I made a thread about the differences, hoping to help get to the bottom of it. As a contrast to your experience, I'm VR11 (almost 12) and I just started Bangkorai for my last bit of Gold.

wraith808 · April 2015

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

By clearing ALL items in each zone, including dolman, boss, quests (yes you have to do the quests) I am consistently 1 -2 vet levels above each zone and after gold and silver I am VR12 at minimum.
you have to take the time, yes it does take time, and clear every quest, every point of interest, etc etc.

Again, false.

I just did VR1-10 (all Silver + Gold zones) and got from 78% - 82% of a VR level. All 10 zones.

You people are either purposefully lying when you say you get a whole VR level, or you are supplementing your XP with PvP, Trials, Pledges, grinding or other (non-zone) sources of XP.

Or we're having a different experience than you. Perhaps... there's a bug? A better idea to assume than to just assume that people are lying to you.

No, as I said, you're grinding. Not "stand in one spot for hours on end grinding", but you are all still grinding.

I'm not grinding. I'm doing the quests, and trying to get done. I can barely force myself to keep going, and as it stands I *hate* grinding, even on a good day. So can say with assurety, that you're the one grinding if you killed every mob. I walk through the zone for crafting mats... but I don't engage with anything outside of the quest unless I have to.

And what's the use of showing you proof? You'll just say e"that's a lie", or "you're not including X", or "you photoshopped it", or the same things that you've already said.

Try to get to the root of the problem instead of trying to prove you're right.

Shadesofkin · April 2015

I'm having trouble figuring out why anyone would do Silver and Gold without doing Dungeons or PvP in the process.

When the game first launched those Veteran Dungeons were unlocked at specific Veteran Ranks. We played them alongside the Veteran Content of Silver and Gold (yes, that was back when Veteran points existed but still, the same principle applies).

I'm not arguing that the dungeons can sometimes have a low replay value, but if nothing else, do one a day to store those gold keys til you're VR12+.

Also, at this point, if you're ESO plus you should have seen an increase in your overall experience gain. I know I did.

wraith808 · April 2015

A thread to get more information so that we can at least get some anecdotal experiences towards rate of VR leveling: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162764/gaining-veteran-xp-per-alliance

Not really trying to debate in that thread... there's more than enough of those around. Just trying to gather information.

Gorthax · April 2015

BesMaster wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

where have you been, living under a rock? They ARE putting them in the game lol seriously....come on

Maybe you live under a rock . Soon introduce this means that they are not in the game and take them into consideration does not make sense . They could introduce in 2.0.3 but at the last moment removed . Developers frightened reaction of children and the homeless about p2w and possibly xp pots do not add

@BesMaster You sir win the "WTF?! Award" Because I never once said they were in game, I said they ARE (notice the ARE part as in coming in the future as in going to be added as in they ARE coming) going to be in the game. This is why XP is so crap and they refuse to talk about it in any detail. Thanks come again

Ley · April 2015

As many other have stated, I'm gaining exp just fine around 1.25 - 1.5 levels per zone and each zone is taking me about 2 days to complete at a comfortable solo pace. I do all quests, all dolmens, all bosses, all delves and I kill stuff as I go along, not avoiding mobs in my path. If I had a buddy to run all these zones with, I'd probably finish one a day or more, if I had the time. This seems like a perfectly good system to me, it should require some effort to gain max level.

Edit: Not to mention a few decent grind spots along the way where you can easily gain around 5k exp every 2-3 minutes.

BesMaster · April 2015

Gorthax wrote: »

@BesMaster You sir win the "WTF?! Award" Because I never once said they were in game, I said they ARE (notice the ARE part as in coming in the future as in going to be added as in they ARE coming) going to be in the game. This is why XP is so crap and they refuse to talk about it in any detail. Thanks come again

Then remind correspondence in the previous theme: I asked the other guy in the game where he saw xp pots. Then you came with your sarcasm and gave a link to the topic with the screenshot of xp potions . I originally led to the fact that while the boosters are not in the game, it makes no sense to talk about them in the calculations. So you won the award for " Who's there? Who am I? " . Thanks come!

Endek · April 2015

I'm at a loss as to what to think about VR levelling.

All I know is that I simply wish to log into the game, enjoy it and if I put the hours that turn into days finishing zones, I am rewarded with fair XP as I progress through the veteran ranks.

At the moment, it doesn't feel this way and after many, many hours of playing the VR game, I am left feeling tired and when I look at my progress, I just sigh and wonder what am I doing wrong.

You see, even though I am casual player, I like to achieve stuff and don't like the feeling that I will never catch up, which is exactly the way I feel right now.

This feeling of never catching up is the reason I didn't log into the game this morning and instead, I find myself visiting the forums, hoping to find some hints and tips for the current game version on how other people progress through the veteran ranks.

But after reading several threads on levelling through VR content, it seems like I'll have to radically adjust my expectations of levelling and what enjoyment I seek from ESO, all whilst maintaining my desire to play.

Have fun out there.

QuadroTony · April 2015

1 vet level per location
your math is VERY WRONG

dont try it again

Sensesfail13 · April 2015

Ive noticed this too, actually, doing silver on my nightblade I did half of stonefalls for silver and recieved nearly an entire vet rank in 1.5. I am now 3/4 of the way through deshaan since 1.6 and I have received about 40% of my vet level. Im fairly sure the experience in silver/gold is level related which is why I receive such low experience through questing but how stupid is it that silver and gold were meant to progress you through vet ranks and I as a vr3-4 in vr2 content get lower experience per location from being 1 vet rank above the mobs in question... the old fixed rate would be more optimum imho.

onlinegamer1 · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

As many other have stated, I'm gaining exp just fine around 1.25 - 1.5 levels per zone and each zone is taking me about 2 days to complete at a comfortable solo pace. I do all quests, all dolmens, all bosses, all delves and I kill stuff as I go along, not avoiding mobs in my path. If I had a buddy to run all these zones with, I'd probably finish one a day or more, if I had the time. This seems like a perfectly good system to me, it should require some effort to gain max level.

Edit: Not to mention a few decent grind spots along the way where you can easily gain around 5k exp every 2-3 minutes.

Proof that I am right. You cannot gain 1 VR level / zone without at least a little grinding. This needs to be fixed.

FIX for ZOS: increase ALL XP post-VR levels by 10%.

Ley · April 2015

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

As many other have stated, I'm gaining exp just fine around 1.25 - 1.5 levels per zone and each zone is taking me about 2 days to complete at a comfortable solo pace. I do all quests, all dolmens, all bosses, all delves and I kill stuff as I go along, not avoiding mobs in my path. If I had a buddy to run all these zones with, I'd probably finish one a day or more, if I had the time. This seems like a perfectly good system to me, it should require some effort to gain max level.

Edit: Not to mention a few decent grind spots along the way where you can easily gain around 5k exp every 2-3 minutes.

Proof that I am right. You cannot gain 1 VR level / zone without at least a little grinding. This needs to be fixed.

FIX for ZOS: increase ALL XP post-VR levels by 10%.

Me mentioning that there are a few grinding spots available to those who choose to grind is not proof of anything except your willingness to take thing out of context to suit your opinions. I didn't say that I spent any time grinding and I haven't. If I get tired of questing however, then I have that to fall back on.

Edit : typos

onlinegamer1 · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

Edit: Not to mention a few decent grind spots along the way where you can easily gain around 5k exp every 2-3 minutes.

Ley wrote: »

I didn't say that I spent any time grinding and I haven't.

You evidently think we're all stupid.

You expect us to believe that you can "magically divine" how much exp you get every 2-3 minutes from a grind spot, but you "didn't grind."

Yeah. Sure, pal. We TOTALLY BELIEVE YOU.

Not.