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"This is OP, that's OP, nerf this, nerf that..."

skarvika
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Let's face it. There are a lot of things that are broken. The big issue is that in a game where most players don't breach around 20k total HP, there shouldn't be anything that can hit for 5 digit damage, especially since only some things can hit for 50% or more of the average player's HP. It makes it feel like Dark Souls: Elder Scrolls Edition. 5-digit damage makes putting points in health or putting health enchantments on your armor useless, because you will constantly get 1/2-shotted either way. At the same time, this makes other skills useless. Why did I put radiant destruction on my bar? Because it hits twice as hard as anything else in the Dawn's Wrath skill line. That's a problem, especially when this game was built so heavily around the whole "Players won't be funneled into cookie cutter roles" thing.
We need to look at the bigger picture and stop going "Oh, this one thing is too powerful, nerf it" because in the end, that doesn't help ZOS fix anything. For example, if only crystal fragments was nerfed, then you'd have a bunch of people complaining that sorcs are now weak in comparison to everything else. We should think about what ZOS can do in order to make all skills and all classes viable in some aspect. The simplest solution in my opinion would be to make sure nothing can hit for more than 4-digits (Siege perhaps 15k max) and/or increase the Cyrodiil HP boost.
But I digress...here's a picture.
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  • Kaghei
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    those fire treb are all low, buff needed asap
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  • newtinmpls
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    What does "OP" stand for anyway?
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    What does "OP" stand for anyway?

    Over powered. As in a item having more power than it should or it being more powerful than another item similar to it. Honestly best example is a FPS game say there's 4 assault rifles all have similar stats but 1 of them has 0 recoil and for some reason it can kill faster than the other 3. That is OP. Like players are saying about fire ballistas but i think there fine cause what else you expect to happen if you get hit by a flamming 4ft long guessing 30 pound arrow ?

    How ever they do need to look at the streak skill Sorc have and before you sorc blow up my inbox not in damage or anything but how far the streak goes. Cause I have seen countless times of sorc using streak to basicly walk onto a resource towers balcony that they don't own to set up a AP farm at a enemy resource. If dragon knights can't use there wings AKA dragons leap to scale walls why can sorc use streak to ninja a way into towers ?
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on April 4, 2015 4:03AM
  • Ley
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    All skills should do 100 dmg, no more, no less and we'd be fine.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Ley wrote: »
    All skills should do 100 dmg, no more, no less and we'd be fine.

    Well have to be 1000 due to ZoS adding another digit to the stats cause most players got atleast like 10,000 HP so 100 damage.... yea be some very very long battles.
  • Itoq
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    The range of damage from class to class, from skill to skill, and from character to character is definitely way out of wack as is the survivability of some higher damage capable builds.

    But, I would prefer that ZoS work on fixing both the perma'ish / stuttering / stacking / whatever CC first and the the health desync or whatever causes you to take six hits from one player in .75 seconds at the same time.

    If you get stuck in CC, even with stam enough to stam break, or you take several hits in an instant then you have a lot less chance to deal with the insane damage being put out by certain classes, weapons, and builds.

    What amazes me the most is that ZOS isn't trying to hotfix any of this stuff. Are they really going for a second release with this stuff still in the game? Surreal.

  • maryriv
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    The only thing OP is Sorcs nothing else.
  • DezIsDead
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    Dude you need purge bad, Like really bad. Oh and nerf this thread please
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  • olsborg
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    You could easily fill more lethal arrow and radiant destruction caps in there.

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  • Ley
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    Ley wrote: »
    All skills should do 100 dmg, no more, no less and we'd be fine.

    Well have to be 1000 due to ZoS adding another digit to the stats cause most players got atleast like 10,000 HP so 100 damage.... yea be some very very long battles.

    Ah yes you are absolutely right, an oversight by me.
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  • skarvika
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    olsborg wrote: »
    You could easily fill more lethal arrow and radiant destruction caps in there.
    Purge is a waste of a slot for most non-healer builds. Initial siege damage is typically enough to 1-shot anyways. If not, I just spam heal and we're all good. I can usually roll dodge though but if I'm in combat/snared/rooted etc it's a pain.
    That wasn't really the point of the thread though.
    olsborg wrote: »
    You could easily fill more lethal arrow and radiant destruction caps in there.
    For sure. Fortunately sorcs seem to be the bane of my existence, thus I rarely get hit with those skills, but a lot of guildies complain about them.
    Ley wrote: »
    All skills should do 100 dmg, no more, no less and we'd be fine.

    Well have to be 1000 due to ZoS adding another digit to the stats cause most players got atleast like 10,000 HP so 100 damage.... yea be some very very long battles.
    Damage certainly shouldn't be in the 100s for anything other than basic attacks. Skills should never do as low as 1k damage unless it's a DoT skill. I was thinking moreso every skill that can currently 1/2-shot people should instead have damage reduced so that it takes minimum 3 hits. PvP is rarely 1v1 fights anyways; you'll often have damage incoming from multiple targets, so reducing the damage dealt by op skills would help provide fair survivability for all players.
    Edited by skarvika on April 4, 2015 8:04PM
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  • RedTalon
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    Its nerf or nothing!

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    Edited by RedTalon on April 4, 2015 9:38PM
  • badmojo
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    If you just slot purge, the only things in that big picture you'd have to worry about is the crystal shard and ice comet.

    Hell, I even have purge slotted on my stamina glass cannon.

    If you don't purge, you're gonna have a bad time. Call it a waste of a slot all you want, but you don't see purge users making these threads.
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  • Varicite
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    Can I agree w/ the thread title and not the OP? <.<
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