The game right now is F2P, unless you are a console person and still have to buy it in June. Purchasing goods in the crown store does not make the game B2P as you don't need costumes, mounts or similar to play.

It will become B2P once the first DLC´s roll out and you must purchase them to play the content there. This btw. will not change even if the console version would be without the initial cost. As soon you pay money for content, its B2P.

That's why the term F2P is so misplaced in pretty much all MMOs. If you don't buy the DLC´s then you can not use them, so its not a free game at all.

It does not really matter if it is b2p or f2p. They are exactly the same ingame. Both really crappy models that promote lazy development. Why create content that costs 20 bucks when you can just create stupid hats and pink ponies that costs just the same. Goodbye content development.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

It's pay to win, which itself is just systemic corruption; you pay, you get advantage, and you do it in broad daylight, because after decade or so it's here, it's totally okay, or at least is percieved as such. However, since the thing is fundamentally perverted and toxic, so became the term for it, especially the "free" part of it, and marketing people are seeking replacement. "Buy" is fine choice, because it does not stink yet and they kinda hope that if they repeat buy, buy, buy....enough (watch some more recent ESO lives), somebody will actually...buy something.

Er, what? How is it P2W? There's nothing in the CS that gives you an advantage over other players. Pets and Mounts are all cosmetic, the Pots aren't as good as ones we can craft. CS Repair Kits can repair all of your Gear instead of one piece like regular Repair Kits, but it's usually cheaper either way to repair your Gear @ a Merchant (unless you wait till your Gear is completely wrecked). Hell, most people craft or buy new Gear once their current stuff gets a bit of wear on it, so very few people will be using those CS Repair Kits.

CS Soul Gems pretty much scale to your level, but filled Soul Gems that are scaled to your level are easy enough to farm, or you can buy (or steal) cheap empty ones and fill them yourself, so only people who cba to farm an easy delve boss or fill some empties will bother with those.

EXP Pots get you experience faster, but that just gets you to endgame faster. Other people hitting endgame sooner than you doesn't affect you unless you head into Cyrodil regularly, and if you're doing that you're probably doing it in groups and thus have backup in case things go south. If you mostly go about your day in general PvE, though, then it doesn't affect you at all if the entire playerbase suddenly hits endgame in a week or two. The only thing it would affect is you needing to group up to do certain dungeons, and then it only benefits you as you have stronger players on your team helping you out.

So color me confused when you claim ESO is P2W, because it's really not. Unless there's something I'm missing or overlooking, in which case I assume you can fill me in on it.

Eliteseraph wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

Eliteseraph wrote: »

ESO is currently a B2P game. However, once DLCs start rolling out it's going to be far closer to a traditional F2P model, where people who don't sub or pay a fee fall further and further behind.

It'll be interesting to see how everything turns out. I don't have a lot of faith in Zenimax right now, since they can't even seem to address the glaring issues with fundamental aspects of the game. Time will tell.

Not sure what you mean by your first paragraph. The status-quo will remain B2P regardless of DLC as you either pay for it or not, one way or another, just like this relaunch.

You're naïve if you think DLC won't contain new and powerful items and abilities that make previous areas and items obsolete, or at the very best, containing exp or other buffs putting those without access at a disadvantage.
The more areas, or other DLC, that get released, the more an account will need to subscribe or buy in order to stay on par. If nothing else, just to be able to play with the majority of other players who are riding the leading edge of new content.

That is still B2P though. There is no sub fee, and you need to buy the content in order to access it. It's not about naivety, it's about the payment model remaining the same regardless of new content.

GW2 is B2P, they are going to have an expansion out soon - so by your logic, that makes it F2P?

It sounds like you're talking about P2W, which is a different discussion entirely.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Just...WOW!

Who really gives a damn ?
Does it really matter ?

lol.

Yes.

"Hey, you should go play ESO! It's f2p!"

"Cool, it's f2p! I'll play it then! But wait, why is this site charging me $59.99?"

Hayuru wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

Buy To Play is a stupid, stating the obvious, term, that only serves to confuse people.

Did people ever call Dragon Age: Inquisition "Buy To Play"?
How about EVOLVE? Any "Buy To Play" nonsense being tossed their way?
Anyone call Super Smash Bros. "Buy To Play"?

Yeah, no. People only say "Buy To Play" when they're talking about MMOs. ESO is a game that sells at retail just like every other game that sells at retail. No one should feel the need to call it anything else. People who call it "Free To Play" apparently think the price tag on it doesn't exist... or they stole it...

"Buy to play" is a term that needs to be drug out in the street and gunned down in full view of the public, complete with media coverage and YouTube videos of the event.

ESO is an MMO. Dragon Age: Inqusition and those other games are buy to play, but no one says anything about it because singleplayer games are obviously buy to play. There is no such thing as a pay to play or free to play singleplayer game.

did you serioulsly say theres no free to play single player games wow i would make a list but wow its long

*sighs* sad how many people mistake this.
F2P=Free to play (no cost AT ALL to join the game)
B2P=Buy to play (the game it's self is required to be bought, but there is no monthly fee)
ESO=B2P In a GW2 fashion, crown shop (as of now) offers nothing that is NEEDED. It is all convenience and cosmetics.