ESO Live 27/3 What do you think about ZOS vision on PvP?

Audigy · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

That we don't get any Arenas is understandable and not a big surprise. Small scale PVP would kill Cyrodil as its easier to hit a button to queue up, than to ride out looking for fights.

WOW world pvp died when Arena was introduced and it would be a shame to see the same story repeat itself here at ESO.

However, once we have the pvp part of the justice system (which was promised to come soon), a lot more fun and skill will be involved in ESO. To be a thief will no longer be meaningless and the enforcers can also not just run into every thief they see.

This is what will enhance world pvp big time and the game as a whole. We will have fights everywhere and yet they are fully optional. Something that Cyrodil or Arena´s could never achieve, a voluntary yet open world pvp scenario.

AngryNord · March 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the sorcerers have a healing skill that gives them full health instantly
there is no balance in damage output among the classes, dragonights and sorcerers simply do more damage and survive longer than the other 2 classes.

But, but, but... We keep getting all these threads about how broken and useless sorcerers are after the 1.6 update, and that the class could as well be removed from the game?

Iago · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the sorcerers have a healing skill that gives them full health instantly
there is no balance in damage output among the classes, dragonights and sorcerers simply do more damage and survive longer than the other 2 classes.

What heal? Sorcerers have Dark Exchange, But that in no way is an instantaneous heal.

Valymer · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Well, there goes this game.

TheLaw · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

I'm afraid to say anymore than this, for fear of being warned or censored: After a year of the same thing, Zenimax is not going in the right direction with PVP.

Naivefanboi · March 2015

I'll explain a different opinion on this post

golly gee wonder why people stay unsubbed and or dont buy crowns.
claiming you wanna fix cyrodil and that its a priority is one thing, trying to pretend your not just ignoreing the community is another.
might wanna take that fake demo that is not in the game out of quake con this year just sayin.

Skafsgaard · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

As long as Cyro is as buggy and laggy as it is, there really is no reason to focus development elsewhere. Now, just cos I voted option #1 doesnt mean I dont want other possibilites. Those, however, are second to Cyrodiil, once that has been fixed / optimized ZOS can start thinking about other stuff.

WE WANT IMPERIAL CITY!!

maryriv · March 2015

I'll explain a different opinion on this post

Every zone should be accessible by all factions and open world pvp.

Mikoto · March 2015

I'll explain a different opinion on this post

I think Cyrodiil should become a pvp sandbox playground. Have it be an open area like now but improved with multiple types of pvp within it kinda like how it was described ctf, battlegrounds, murder ball, imperial city, etc. Then have enforcer as a gateway to open world pvp ontop of dueling to ease others into pvp.

maryriv · March 2015

I'll explain a different opinion on this post

Mikoto wrote: »

I think Cyrodiil should become a pvp sandbox playground. Have it be an open area like now but improved with multiple types of pvp within it kinda like how it was described ctf, battlegrounds, murder ball, imperial city, etc. Then have enforcer as a gateway to open world pvp ontop of dueling to ease others into pvp.

I agree, this type of sandbox mentality can be implemented all throughout tamriel. Other upcoming MMO's are already implementing this in their new games so if ESO doesnt do it soon they will be left behind.

TheBull · March 2015

OP drastically twisted what was said to fit his own narrative.

Nightscar · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

LawfulEvil wrote: »

PvP kills PvE games faster then anything else. From OMG nerf this to nerf that and wasting resources on a fringe minority. I can not wait to get flamed for saying that, inb4 all the "Cyrodiil has never been this full before" or the "PVE kills my PVP game" even though the game just got a huge boost across the board from B2P relaunch.

A fricken men brother..
And I'll go one step further and say personally I don't think PvP should be in an mmo at all!
I think all the PvP brats should go play CoD if they want there PvP fix..

bosmern_ESO · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

It's not that ZoS wants to 'separate' the pvp community (because there are pvp guilds that wouldn't allow that) its because they are to busy focusing only on updates for pve

VincentBlanquin · March 2015

last time they say thinking about instanced pvp, i am sure its not a final word...

joshisanonymous · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

The justice system itself will provide another form of PvP if you're feeling limited. I wouldn't be surprised at all if people used it as a way to have duels even. That said, I'm amazed that people feel limited by Cyrodiil. It's not just one mode of PvP, it's as many modes of PvP as you want it to be. Just look at dueling guilds and such. You make the game whatever you want it to be; Cyrodiil is essentially one step below a sandbox game.

Mr.Turtlesworth · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Omg this is terrible.... They NEED to at least allow dueling. Thats just a no brainer to me...

Mr.Turtlesworth · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Now the hardcore pvpers are gunna quit lol. Thanks ZoS.

I guess I'm glad I do PVP and pve... And other stuff.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2015

For some of us, the PVP side is the entire game. In my case, I'm not very interested in veteran dungeon content, trials or PVE zones. Fortunately, the Imperial City is within Cyrodiil. If I understand correctly, it won't be entirely PVE as each faction must battle the other factions to capture and hold various districts of the city.

I would be surprised if the mechanics for the IC districts turn out to be identical to capturing keeps and resources. Hopefully it will be something fun, a change of pace.

Also, as others have mentioned, the Justice System will incorporate PVP soon. This will be a way to fight players on your own faction.

Anyone able to describe what "murderball" objectives in the Cyrodiil towns might be like? I tried googling this, but all I could find is a documentary about wheelchair basketball. Are there some FPS or other multiplayer games which feature murderball PVP mode?
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RSram · March 2015

I would like to see an arena in which alliance where the best players can duel it out while other players watch, and the winners in each alliance would fight it out in a final battle in an arena located in Cryodiil somewhere. There would be a leader leader board similar to the Campaigns.

Contests would be broken up by levels 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, VR5, VR10, amd VR14. This would allow everyone to complete on a level playing field.

Nivzruo_ESO · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

I like the ES title so I'll stick around for awhile longer.. but if no arena or BGs I fear that alot of other players would leave. I'd unsub right now if I wasn't such an ES fanboi /sigh.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

No dueling? Really?! Come on Wheeler, even frakkin SWTOR has dueling! How hard is it to implement?

Romo · March 2015

I agree with ZOS, Cyrodiil should be a priority and they shouldn't develop any other PvP content.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

It's not that ZoS wants to 'separate' the pvp community (because there are pvp guilds that wouldn't allow that) its because they are to busy focusing only on updates for pve

I see this comment all the time from various PvPers. And it is time to stop it.

The PvP updates are constant. Nerf this, nerf that, balance this, balance that. And Zos constantly does this, to the detriment of the Pvers.

Despite the full knowledge from all other MMOs, that Pvp will NEVER be balanced in the eyes of the Pvpers.

So there are your CONSTANT Pvp updates, balance and nerfing, maybe if you(generic Pvpers) quit those whines, you might get different updates?

Seraphyel · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Romo wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

It's not that ZoS wants to 'separate' the pvp community (because there are pvp guilds that wouldn't allow that) its because they are to busy focusing only on updates for pve

I see this comment all the time from various PvPers. And it is time to stop it.

The PvP updates are constant...

So there are your CONSTANT Pvp updates, balance and nerfing, maybe if you(generic Pvpers) quit those whines, you might get different updates?

Excuse me, but there haven't been any PvP updates yet. Every patch ESO got was PvE centered.

Balancing is not even worth mentioning as a PvP update, it's balancing.

Vunter · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Cyrodiil is as laggy as ever. ZOS wasn't able to fix it in all these months and it's likely that it won't ever happen.
They have to put at least one mode of small scale PVP to the game.

Seraphyel · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Vunter wrote: »

Cyrodiil is as laggy as ever. ZOS wasn't able to fix it in all these months and it's likely that it won't ever happen.
They have to put at least one mode of small scale PVP to the game.

True.

skillastat · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

I want to see an arena like in Oblivion but now there would be players watching and betting on the winner.

Also, my biggest wish is to duel my friend to show him who's the best. Competition drives us a lot.

Divad Zarn · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

You guys dont even know what is pvp arent you? The style we have "pvp" atm cant be called PvP with any old pvp player from ANY MMO, its AvA, and quite bad established, imo they should change their pvp designer, in all games me and many of my friends was playing biggest part we was enjoying was PvP (thats the only reason why we play MMO), but this madness what they call PvP will never suit wishes of most real pvpers, its quite sad that ZOS dont even have any plans to change it..

Emma_Overload · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

WOW

Seraphyel wrote: »

Romo wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

It's not that ZoS wants to 'separate' the pvp community (because there are pvp guilds that wouldn't allow that) its because they are to busy focusing only on updates for pve

I see this comment all the time from various PvPers. And it is time to stop it.

The PvP updates are constant...

So there are your CONSTANT Pvp updates, balance and nerfing, maybe if you(generic Pvpers) quit those whines, you might get different updates?

Excuse me, but there haven't been any PvP updates yet. Every patch ESO got was PvE centered.

Balancing is not even worth mentioning as a PvP update, it's balancing.

"There haven't been any PvP updates..."

SAY WHAT? My poor Sorcerer begs to disagree with you. Almost every update that comes out has a laundry list of pointless nerfs that are the direct result of PvP whining.

Roechacca · March 2015

I'll explain a different opinion on this post

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

WOW

Seraphyel wrote: »

Romo wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

It's not that ZoS wants to 'separate' the pvp community (because there are pvp guilds that wouldn't allow that) its because they are to busy focusing only on updates for pve

I see this comment all the time from various PvPers. And it is time to stop it.

The PvP updates are constant...

So there are your CONSTANT Pvp updates, balance and nerfing, maybe if you(generic Pvpers) quit those whines, you might get different updates?

Excuse me, but there haven't been any PvP updates yet. Every patch ESO got was PvE centered.

Balancing is not even worth mentioning as a PvP update, it's balancing.

"There haven't been any PvP updates..."

SAY WHAT? My poor Sorcerer begs to disagree with you. Almost every update that comes out has a laundry list of pointless nerfs that are the direct result of PvP whining.

That's not a content update that's a balance maintenance . There's plenty of those .

Emma_Overload · March 2015

I disagree with ZOS, we should be able to have choices and different PvP modes, just like there are a lot of ways to Pve.

Audigy wrote: »

That we don't get any Arenas is understandable and not a big surprise. Small scale PVP would kill Cyrodil as its easier to hit a button to queue up, than to ride out looking for fights.

It really scares me that ZoS thinks the same way you do, because what you are saying is totally nonsensical. The reason so many players won't do PvP, and the few players who do play PvP complain constantly, is that PvP in ESO is just NOT THAT FUN. Players want ACTION, not endless riding around on horses. Players want to get right back in the fight after they die, not wander around all over Tamriel hoping the battle isn't over by the time they get there!

Instead of copying all the other MMOs that have flopped throughout history, ZoS should look to multiplayer games that have actually succeeded on a massive scale for inspiration. What's wrong with small scale PvP? Games like Unreal Tournament and Counter-Strike built huge franchises out of small PvP instances. John Carmack has a garage full of vintage Ferraris because people love small scale PvP!

Furthermore, 1v1 arenas are not only widely desired by many, MANY ESO players such as myself, they're actually an important part of the Elder Scrolls lore. All the MILLIONS of people who played Oblivion have fond memories of defeating a long list of scumbags on their way to "Grand Champion" status. ESO players shouldn't be asking "Why can't ESO have an Arena?", we should be asking "Why didn't ESO have an Arena on DAY ONE???"