The Crown Store and 'Lock Boxes' - a Request

Mercutio · March 2015

I know that Lock Boxes are a controversial subject in MMOs. While not a fan of them myself, I understand that that is just my opinion and other people may really like that thrill of gambling.

In every game with a Cash Shop that I have played, lock boxes inevitably show up sooner or later. ( For those not familiar with them, they are boxes you can buy and, when opened, you have a small chance of getting some really epic and/or rare loot. Usually you just get helpful items or common stuff. The idea behind it is to get players to buy a bunch of them to improve their odds of acquiring the desired item. )

So if they ever come to TESO, just one request: Please make the rare items available as a separate purchase. Maybe make them the cost of four lockboxes or something, but don't create gear that can only be got via lock boxes.

Thank you!

LtCrunch · March 2015

ZOS definitively said that no form of lockboxes would be coming to ESO in their Tamriel Unlimited AUA on Reddit. So /thread

Mercutio · March 2015

Oh that is awesome, thanks Brandalf!

Vegaroth · March 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

ZOS definitively said that no form of lockboxes would be coming to ESO in their Tamriel Unlimited AUA on Reddit. So /thread

And since when ZO$ have stick to their word????

LtCrunch · March 2015

Vegaroth wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

ZOS definitively said that no form of lockboxes would be coming to ESO in their Tamriel Unlimited AUA on Reddit. So /thread

And since when ZO$ have stick to their word????

Not going to get into a silly argument about how ZOS "lied". They've never lied, technically speaking.

MornaBaine · March 2015

I Do hope they stick to their word on this. Lock boxes are a large part of the reason I no longer play SWTOR.

azoriangaming · March 2015

see I wouldn't mind lock boxes if they had just e.g special mount or special costumes but if it was armor that made your character better than those that don't buy them then it's a big NO NO from me.

Plus what you've got to remember now this game is b2p they need to make money from the cash shop and sub to ensure the game continues to run.

Turelus · March 2015

Lock boxes are a horrible mechanic designed to make you spend more money.

Let's hope ZOS keep to a system where you see what you're paying for and not an RNG system which uses your real life money.
Lock boxes in PVE/PVP fine, but not for Crowns.

Troneon · March 2015

RNG Casino crap...

NO ty. Not ever.

ItsGlaive · March 2015

Lock boxes arrive and I'll be gone. They are the epitome of developer greed and are little boxes of evil socially engineered to extort money from impulsive players.

TheShadowScout · March 2015

I hate lockboxes in any form. Not in the least because I tend to have really crappy luck with any rtandom chance stuff... but also because I dislike the whole concept of them.

And I will ber very happy if the developers stick to their guns on this one, and Never ever add this pimple on the backside of the MMO world to ESO...

Zershar_Vemod · March 2015

Lox Box = death of any hope for a better game.

Danikat · March 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Lock boxes are a horrible mechanic designed to make you spend more money.

Let's hope ZOS keep to a system where you see what you're paying for and not an RNG system which uses your real life money.
Lock boxes in PVE/PVP fine, but not for Crowns.

They kind of already exist in PvE in a limited capacity: you can buy boxes from merchants that will give you a random piece of gear when opened. In a way any container (or enemy) that gives random items is the same mechanic, just usually with more of an effort cost than a gold cost to open it.

I could live with them being in the crown store as long as they were restricted to only cosmetic/convenience items and everything in them is available another way. Mainly because then I could ignore them. There is absolutely no way I'd pay for something like that.

Even then I'd worry it's going to be like Guild Wars 2 where most of the new weapon skins (and most of the best ones) are added to the lock boxes and everyone else has to buy them at inflated prices from people who were willing to spend money on the boxes.

By far the best option IMO would be to avoid them completely.

EQBallzz · March 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

Vegaroth wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

ZOS definitively said that no form of lockboxes would be coming to ESO in their Tamriel Unlimited AUA on Reddit. So /thread

And since when ZO$ have stick to their word????

Not going to get into a silly argument about how ZOS "lied". They've never lied, technically speaking.

Technically speaking are you referring to when they said to keep playing your max level characters for months because "XP was being tracked" or when they said subscription was the only viable payment method that would allow them to create the game without compromises and they would never got B2P/F2P? Technically speaking of course..

As for the OP it wouldn't surprise me at this point to see lock boxes. It's a horrible idea but I'm done hoping this game won't turn into NW.

Gidorick · March 2015

They'll never add lockboxes.... They MIGHT add "Uncle Sheo's Surprise Gift of Plenty" which gives you a surprise that isn't known until you open it.... or it might just be cheese!

AlienSlof · March 2015

Definitely NO lockboxes. I hate the things. Let's keep ESO gambling-free, please.

Messy1 · March 2015

NO LOCKBOXES. It's terrible, it is akin to casino gimmicks and tactics. Open this box and have a "chance" of getting something good. ZOS can be much more creative than something like this.

Slurg · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

They'll never add lockboxes.... They MIGHT add "Uncle Sheo's Surprise Gift of Plenty" which gives you a surprise that isn't known until you open it.... or it might just be cheese!

Cheese can be quite valuable you know! Someone had a thread asking how to find it the other day.

But yes, I agree with you. As you know, but others in the thread may not, they recently said they'd never add the explorers pack to the store and they didn't; instead they created a new adventurer's pack with the same stuff in it except a different pet. No reason to think we won't get something very similar to a lockbox (just not called a lockbox so no one can say they lied) eventually.

So yes, I would also ask that if some kind of special surprise package comes out in the cash shop, they keep it limited to items one can obtain through other means as well, preferably cosmetic in nature.

daemonios · March 2015

Lock boxes or other lotteries in the cash shop = I'm out faster than you can say "zero-day subscriber".

frould · March 2015

for me Gachapon (the Lock Boxes you talking about) even far worst than 200% exp boost pot. NO PLS don't do Korean mmo.

Alphashado · March 2015

The day they put lockboxes into ESO will be the last day I log into the game.

nimander99 · March 2015

Every time I see a RNG lock box in a game I chuckle.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

They bring lockboxes, we riot.

WraithAzraiel · March 2015

AlienSlof wrote: »

Definitely NO lockboxes. I hate the things. Let's keep ESO gambling-free, please.

Now now. If they implement gambling mini-games, like cards or dice. That'd be pretty badass. But in-game gold only.

AlienSlof · March 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Now now. If they implement gambling mini-games, like cards or dice. That'd be pretty badass. But in-game gold only.

Don't have a problem with that.

What I don't want is the lockboxes - pay for keys or pay for the boxes - with real-world money. With them comes the inevitable spam in chat and across the screen about 'whoever has won whatever' every few seconds, interfering with my gameplay and pressuring/tempting more fools to pay over the odds for that one special little thing that they may or may not ever get.

Better just to sell that special little thing in the shop and let people buy it if they want it.

Gidorick · March 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

They bring lockboxes, we riot.

Really? THAT'S the breaking point?

dafox187 · March 2015

Mercutio wrote: »

I know that Lock Boxes are a controversial subject in MMOs. While not a fan of them myself, I understand that that is just my opinion and other people may really like that thrill of gambling.

In every game with a Cash Shop that I have played, lock boxes inevitably show up sooner or later. ( For those not familiar with them, they are boxes you can buy and, when opened, you have a small chance of getting some really epic and/or rare loot. Usually you just get helpful items or common stuff. The idea behind it is to get players to buy a bunch of them to improve their odds of acquiring the desired item. )

So if they ever come to TESO, just one request: Please make the rare items available as a separate purchase. Maybe make them the cost of four lockboxes or something, but don't create gear that can only be got via lock boxes.

Thank you!

lock boxes = crowns
crowns = money
money = gambleing
zos does not have a license for this

starkerealm · March 2015

Mercutio wrote: »

So if they ever come to TESO...

...I will leave and never look back. Shank lockboxes. Shank them so hard.

Naivefanboi · March 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

ZOS definitively said that no form of lockboxes would be coming to ESO in their Tamriel Unlimited AUA on Reddit. So /thread

lol they have said alot of things. they said they were removing veteran levels doubt thats happening. they also said a subscription model was the only way to truly support the game and their "vision".
but times change and so do statements lol.

Natjur · March 2015

I don't want to see this game become 'Pay to Win', where gear is sold (directly or via lock boxes)
I am ok with this game having a 'Pay Wall' (DLC have to be brought or rented)
and I am fine with this game being 'Pay for Convenience' by selling exp potions etc
(Convenience = makes something faster, but it can still be done the long way)
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WraithAzraiel · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

They bring lockboxes, we riot.

Really? THAT'S the breaking point?

Yea. They kill Darryl, we riot.