I enjoy being able to quest in other faction zones, means I can stick to one character or one faction if I feel so inclined and still experience everything the game has to offer. I don't like that it's not optional and is pretty much required if you wanna level up your VR in a reasonable amount of time without grinding or exploiting.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

And let’s talk about the quests themselves. Some of them are well written, engaging and funny/sad at turns. In fact I would say that, in general, ESO has some of the best quest writing I have seen in any game, especially any MMO. However, the times when there is bad writing or bad scripting become even more obvious when you have seen a similar quest done much between elsewhere in the same game.
I have two examples of quests that I regarded as having howlingly bad errors recently but since those explanations are long I won’t include them here unless asked.

I'm asking. Because I'm curious. There ARE tons of great quests and leveling up 1-50 the first time was very enjoyable (putting aside my hatred with the intensity of a thousand suns for the Five Companions who may well be the most stunning example of stereotypical fantasy tropes I've ever seen) and I found myself both chuckling and actually feeling touched by MANY of the quests. Some quests I deliberately seek out to do again on my alts. But, as is inevitable I suppose, some were just...meh. On the Cadwell's quests I just click through them as fast as possible so that I can continue to know as little about them as possible. Even so, I still rage every time I'm pitted against my beloved Bretons! LOL So I've likely missed what you are talking about and am curious so please share!

Basically, *THIS*.
Except exchange "Bretons" with "Dunmer" for me which pretty much proves the point of this thread.

The worst of the logic flaws for me was the Cadwell premise that your fighting for your faction was a matter of chance....it was all a matter of which beach you washed up on.

No, you had a life before your fatal encounter with Mannimarco.

The second worst is that you remain soulless. This is so you can play those quests with few alterations beyond the level of enemies.

The third is that, even though you have fought and become the alleged hero of all three factions you are still tied to the one you started with. So much for the beach theory.

All are simply expedient and a sign of leadership drift during development. We have been shown six zones not yet in the game, three of which (Imperial City, Orsinium, Murkmire) are either finished or nearly finished and have been for some time.

What this says to me is that massive feature refactoring was ordered, a drop dead ship date was issued, and this was the only way to get the game out there wish some semblance of a complete game.

Yes the game was indeed released. But at what cost? How do you step back from this deeply flawed situation.

One thing's for sure. This scenario won't play well on console. Console RPGs may not have deep stories often but successful ones have stories with more coherence and internal consistency. Why should that matter to us? Will that effect us? It already has

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The worst of the logic flaws for me was the Cadwell premise that your fighting for your faction was a matter of chance....it was all a matter of which beach you washed up on.

No, you had a life before your fatal encounter with Mannimarco.

What was that life though? We have no idea. Based on the beginning of the story, it could be assumed to be as an entirely neutral civilian, who may have lived anywhere with no allegiance, and therefore ending up with whatever faction was entirely a matter of chance.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

@Enodoc Elder Scrolls has a reocurring theme. You are a prisoner with *no* background.
The idea is, you make your own background and it's not handed to you.
With this setup now you can make your background anyway you like, except the game nullifies that immediately by forcing you into choices that are entirely out of your character.
I for one would certainly not have a "neutral" "citizen" background (citizen of what? there is no empire as it will be in the 3rd era)

You could say the same of Skyrim though. Regardless of your chosen background, the game tells you that you have had no part in the civil war, and are then forced into choosing a side when you leave Helgen; you just also have the option to change that choice later.
You could have been a citizen of anywhere; many people within the Alliance territories have no affiliation to that Alliance directly, or maybe you were a citizen of somewhere Alliance-neutral, like Craglorn, or Haafingar. Then you ending up on a beach within a random Alliance territory is the entire reason for joining that one over one of the others.

There is a very cheap solution and it was already mentioned: cut off the main quests of the enemy zones and spread the XP points between the side ones.

I would be happy with this.

Iluvrien wrote: »

I am placed in a similar situations every time I find that I am facing a Dunmer. Unpleasant. Some of them I don't mind offing... slavers and bandits are no great loss to the Pact. Sometimes, however, I am faced by actual members of the Pact's armies. I have no desire to deprive them of their lives at all.

That's disgusting. Despite of what some people say, i belive ZOS made a very good job in building an immersive game. The campaign itself could use improvements in some points, but overall i've enjoyed it quite a bit. And then, when you reach VR and can finally explore freely the world with the char you've conceived, you are forced to break through all of that immersion foolishness you've created and accept the Cadwells excuse (Et tu, Cadwell?) to start grind to VR14.

Now i'm forced to serve Queen Ayrenn. Queen Ayrenn my balls! My queen is called Maraya and his husband Emeric is my King!

Well, it wasn't a good start into the endgame, IMHO.

Iluvrien wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'm asking. Because I'm curious.

I had a bet that if I heard from anyone on this then it would likely be you, Morna. Glad to see I wasn't completely wrong . The two quests that I felt had overly restrictive and, in general, howlingly bad writing/scripting are as follows:

A Marriage in Ruins

I didn’t trust Izzara from the first. Once we got into the ruins and she informed me that to continue I would have to kill the prisoners? Not a chance. And they the quest gives you no other option at that point but to abandon it.
Yeah, try again.

And…

The Charge of Evermore

I walked into the village from the East (having gone up through Jackdaw cove) and first checked the Abandoned House. Do you know what I found? A note saying that Medya Zurric shouldn’t be disturbed in her activities behind the house… which, if you then check, leads you directly to the altar for Hircine before you have even met the woman and yet you are supposed to trust her and believe in her “kindly midwife” persona long enough for her to murder people. Again the quest gives you no option to do otherwise.

What did you think of these two?

MornaBaine wrote: »

Even so, I still rage every time I'm pitted against my beloved Bretons! LOL So I've likely missed what you are talking about and am curious so please share!

I am placed in a similar situations every time I find that I am facing a Dunmer. Unpleasant. Some of them I don't mind offing... slavers and bandits are no great loss to the Pact. Sometimes, however, I am faced by actual members of the Pact's armies. I have no desire to deprive them of their lives at all.

Hated the Izzara quest, don't remember much about the midwife quest but now I'll be om the lookout for it!

I don't dislike doing the other faction quests, because this way we can learn about our enemies flaws o o
But... that's not the point for me. I'd like to raise my veteran levels in Morrowind, the place where I chose to be. We could also have extended Mages Guild and Fighters Guild questlines for veteran levels but I guess those could fit better in the "armchair thread".

Zimnel wrote: »

I don't dislike doing the other faction quests, because this way we can learn about our enemies flaws o o
But... that's not the point for me. I'd like to raise my veteran levels in Morrowind, the place where I chose to be. We could also have extended Mages Guild and Fighters Guild questlines for veteran levels but I guess those could fit better in the "armchair thread".

yup. I play a Dunmer so i kind of expected to spend more time in Morrowind than lvl 1-25. That was a good long while now and most of my time i spend anywhere but Morrowind.
It's not bad to travel the world, but a) that doesn't mean i want to help the other factions and b) doesn't mean there shouldn't be Veteran level stuff to do in Morrowind or any of the home regions.

Considering the new content is supposed to scale to your level (no idea how that'll work), those closed areas such as Eastern Morrowind. Vvardenfel and Solstheim would easily make up for it.

It also would allow to finally give the regions a distinctive Dunmeri feel, not the Pact zones where you basically run into Argonian villages every 10 quests or Nords in every corner.

Blackmarsh and Skyrim and the other open regions should feel more home to their native inhabitants, in terms of population and architecture etc.

So far we haven't seen House Telvanni either, and i'd love to be able to quest for them rather than having to quest for Queen Ayrenn the obnoxious.

Khajiitfur skirt anyone?
I just hope ZOS doesn't go with the "oh welp, let's make em the badguys / grindable mobs" attitude.
There's already not enough playable Daedric / "evil" content.

I always feel bad about hating the questing, since i know how much work was put into making all characters voiceacted and designing it all.
It really works best for your own faction, and it feels that nothing was wasted on me 1-50, while DC and AD veteran questing has it's moments i will admit that, having played a bit now... there are moments that even i enjoy, but it really isn't happening often enough.
But.... content updates will fix that i hope, since they will be playable at all levels.
I only hope they will also take the "Should ZOS dabble in Mature content" poll/thread into consideration, since the new content should also differ a lot from what we have now.
If all factions can access it, they will need to enable a lot of options to chose from to make them enjoyable for everyone.

@Xabien Exactly what i thought as well. The timeline makes no sense. A content release before the console launch, even if it means delaying the release, would make a lot more sense.
Otherwise the frustration will continue, and in all honesty, the majority of console players will *not* have the same amount of patience as the people playing on PC had so far.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

@Xabien Exactly what i thought as well. The timeline makes no sense. A content release before the console launch, even if it means delaying the release, would make a lot more sense.
Otherwise the frustration will continue, and in all honesty, the majority of console players will *not* have the same amount of patience as the people playing on PC had so far.

Agreed, console players are used to a quicker pace of game. Except of course for those already in the mmo crowd.

The reality of no content patches until console has "settled" is starting to sink in for me too, it's going to be a long 5+ months in game. Just doing away with Silver and Gold and VR levels between now and then would make a massive difference.