AngryNord wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

You have to remember, at launch there was no end game. No VR dungeons, no Craglorn, no trials, no arena. There was 1-50 and Cyrodiil.

Stop spreading false info. VR Levels and Cadwell's Gold/Silver was in the game at launch, it was introduced during early beta AFAIK.

THAT'S what I'm talking about. There was no endgame, so they added in Silver and Gold instead. Keep up.

Well i dont knolw,I wish ithey changed it a bit and made it more rewarding,Maybe added Daily faction quests,simple daily quests for your faction which gives you the option to sabotage and do special ops stuff in enemy terretory

I hope I'm not repeating a previous reply to this discussion, I haven't read all the replies yet, do to limit time. In another discussion, someone mentioned a great idea, of becoming a spy in the other two factions and doing assassination. sabotage, and intelligence gathering type quests. Where the final quest would be to kill or capture the factions king or queen; something on the line of the lead up to and final battle with Malog Bal.

I like them. I don't see it as helping the other factions - it seems more to me like I am reliving past events through the eyes of similar heroes, per the direction of Meridia. (Some of these folks are supposed to be dead or living in Coldharbour.)

MornaBaine wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

I hope I'm not repeating a previous reply to this discussion, I haven't read all the replies yet, do to limit time. In another discussion, some one mentioned a get idea, of becoming a spy in the other two factions and doing assassination. sabotage, and intelligence gathering type quests. Where the final quest would be to kill or capture the factions king or queen; something on the line of the lead up to and final battle with Malog Bal.

I wouldn't go so far as killing off the other factions' monarchs because that really messes with "reality" at that point. Each faction ends up experiencing a completely different one and that just doesn't make a lot of sense. But espionage quests where you go deep into enemy territory and foil various plots? OH HECK YEAH! But I'm sure the "problem" is that this requires a TON of new quest writing they just aren't prepared to do, which I feel is the prime reason they stuck us with the silver and gold as it stands. My HOPE is that some of the upcoming DLC will replace silver and gold with just these sorts of espionage and saboteur quests for those of us who absolutely DO NOT WANT to do silver and gold.

Considering there are already hostile factions in those territories, why not be able to join them? Instead of fighting the Reachmen, fight *for* them.
Instead of killing innocent Dunmer Slavers (huehue), help them to raid the Breton village.
The world is there, since it's already a veteran only area all they need to do is change quests.
So far except for the wormcult i would have merced myself out to any and all factions that i am fighting during their regular silver & gold questlines. Including the Veiled Heritance.
I always find myself fighting on the wrong side, well the side i hate the most and don't want to win during Cad's S&G.
Or as it will likely happen, new content for all ranks but this time with better options.
Daedric quests for Mephala or Boethia e.g. or Sheogorath for the manic lulz.

I am just seriously done being the saviour of some people i don't even like to begin with.
So gimme a choice. Who do i save and who do i destroy faction wise.

With my first character reaching lvl 50, I really liked doing a more difficult version of another faction's area, even though I had recently been though the regular version of it with an alt. With my second character reaching 50, I was not interested in doing the EP faction a third time, and that character is parked at VR1 as a crafter. Same with my third character reaching 50. Pity. They were fun classes to play, and I would have liked to have AD and EP characters that were strong enough for VR dungeons and trials. Now I'm stuck with a DC character as my only VR14, because doing the Silver and Gold quests with those characters would be boring. Been there, done that, twice already. I'm not playing the game to be bored. My first time through the quests was awesome. My second time was bearable and still some fun. Third time? Really can't be bothered, sorry. Some quests are really good, and most are OK, but replaying them end to end with exactly the same outcome is just too much.

The big problem for me is the "theme park" design: the factions' main quest lines are more or less linear and force you to do every step. You are also more or less forced to do most side quests to get enough XP to level. Because of that, there are no alternate paths through the game, nothing you can do or see that you haven't already experienced on an alt, nothing that allows you to choose a different narrative for your alts. The leveling in this game has very little replay value, and considering the relative lack of endgame content and the current problems in Cyrodiil, I think that is a problem.

PvP doesn't do it. I checked today and i do not level up the least bit even with massive sieges and taking objectives etc.
Barely made it past 20% on my CP in one day. And i can get about 2 CP if i do PvE.
So i decided to do dungeon runs... also not much, but at least had some fun doing them.
Then got back to questing for the worst and most annoying Queen in the history of Tamriel, killing those terrible wacist elflings and listening to the ramblings of a cat in a suit, thinking i want to wear its fur and my mood just drops.
I'd really do every single quest if i was working for the Veiled Heritance with a passion, but no it's the opposite.
It's impossible for me to actually get anywhere by now or enjoy the Gold content (and i rushed DC with high hopes that the Aldmeri Dominion would be as i imagined and not this pathetic excuse for an Aldmeri society in the making).
I went back to DC content but i hate their story line as well, maybe a bit less than AD but still.
All i do is work for Elf hating/ killing factions, working for annoying and naive rulers and it bums me out.

Very stupid ideia, game could have been alot better if they had left the other zones for alts instead of forcing you playng all the 3 zones grinding, grinding and grinding.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

Assisting innocents in other alliances, makes some sense. Still, when it comes to aiding opposing alliances to the point of single handedly stopping an invasion from your home alliance, well, it gets difficult to suspend disbelief.

I've found a way around that mate, I always choose the option that swings in my home faction favour. Oh the joy of walking around listening to NPCs cry about how their loved ones went of to join the fighting to be butchered by your home alliance. I always giggle when they state "joined the fighting". What did they expect, that my home faction would lay out a nice picnic for them and the baggage train was to hold the make up for the dancers we've brought them for entertainment!?

The spy idea has been floated many times for good reason: the story as it exists now fails to make sense.

And, what's worse, it often puts good writing in a terrible light. The three factions have identical copies of quests - e.g. the Naked Nord in one, the Shoeless Breton in another and so on.

Clearly these were not created to be played by every player unless a player wished to rather than being forced to.

Another sign that this was not built to be played this way: the Evil, EEEvil Faction Quests. In each story line one or another of the factions does something unforgivable. The worst being the Dominion which has Joseph Mengele portrayed as the alchemist Ruuivatar.

The merits of that are one thing. But nobody would have created such extreme scenarios like Ruuivatar if they intended you to play FOR that side later. I came to the Dominion with but one thing in mind: murdering its ruler in a slow and gruesome way.

But good people, in every sense of the word, develop and support this game. They put everything they had into it and launch was just the beginning of the game's development.

What this continues to say to me is that the industry is still finding its way. It's an infant industry by any objective measure.

Lel, unfortunately most quests don't enable you to make decisions in favour of your alliance.
I mean in a way i would say an Aldmeri Dominion under the rule of the Veiled Queen would have been far more efficient and true to their roots.
Yes cruel to the beastfolk and condescending, but then again that is natural to High Elves and all Elves.
Elves simply are naturally biased and for good reasons.
Anyways.
Now i have to help build a Khajiit embassy in Valenwood. Really. How does that benefit my alliance?
Secretly thinking that such a weak Queen will never lead them to victory?
Passive aggressive is one thing but that's downright tedious.
And i doubt i'll be having a Breton for dinner either since that's oh so immoral :<
There are a few NPC's i like sure, such as the husband of the dead Veiled Queen now.
Of course i did kill his wife.
All that cozying up and modern view of things doesn't make me happy whatsoever.
IF i am going to play those factions at least they should have options for me to play them the way i can enjoy it without feeling out of place all the time.

Are you kidding me? Without Cadwells Silver and Gold I wouldnt waste a second look on this game.

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

Lel, unfortunately most quests don't enable you to make decisions in favour of your alliance.
I mean in a way i would say an Aldmeri Dominion under the rule of the Veiled Queen would have been far more efficient and true to their roots.
Yes cruel to the beastfolk and condescending, but then again that is natural to High Elves and all Elves.
Elves simply are naturally biased and for good reasons.
Anyways.
Now i have to help build a Khajiit embassy in Valenwood. Really. How does that benefit my alliance?
Secretly thinking that such a weak Queen will never lead them to victory?
Passive aggressive is one thing but that's downright tedious.
And i doubt i'll be having a Breton for dinner either since that's oh so immoral :<
There are a few NPC's i like sure, such as the husband of the dead Veiled Queen now.
Of course i did kill his wife.
All that cozying up and modern view of things doesn't make me happy whatsoever.
IF i am going to play those factions at least they should have options for me to play them the way i can enjoy it without feeling out of place all the time.

Well said! And were this created as a single player game, with the options of one that you detail, I believe it would have been an immense success.

And likely they considered it....of course they considered it. But it presents too many challenges for the online multiplayer genre - challenges no MMO has yet overcome to my knowledge.