Vaelen wrote: »

You should read the above posting regarding the math as it currently takes forever to reach VR14 since the exp gains per area were nerfed, if you are a no lifer then according to the math it should take you 3-4 months to hit VR14, pre 1.6 it only took you like 2 weeks. For a casual, you can get VR14 in about 6-8 months, it used to only take casuals about a month to hit VR14 pre-1.6. And unless ZOS changes the exp gains or make it easier to get VR14, then new players hitting Veteran rank will just quit game since they can't do endgame content or pvp unless they hit max VR to equip VR14 gear.

So according to you it took 1 month for a casual to reach VR14 pre 1.6 and now takes 6 to 8 months...

For this to be the case ALL XP would have to have been nerfed by a factor of 6!

And quite frankly, that's nonsense.

I decided to just end this thread with picture evidence that XP IS TOO LOW.

Pic is of:
- VR10 Sorc
- On the LAST QUEST in the Rift (VR10 Zone, Cadwells Gold)
- Map CLEARLY shows EVERYTHING IS DONE (all Delves, Quests, World Bosses, Dolmens and Explorer points)
- Again, as I said before, I WALKED the zone as to maximize random mob kills, and had no other sources of XP (No PvP, Dungeons, Trials, DSA, Writs, or Pledges).



Total XP: 794,659
Shortfall: 205,341 XP

ZOS, XP IS BROKEN.

Rumba1 wrote: »

Gentlemen,
my experience seems quite different from yours regarding xp. Let me explain:

1 week before 1.6 dropped I had 3 vet1 Templars defeat Molag Bal , all on the same day.

Each Templar is in a different alliance, and except for racial passives, every Templar is equipped, attribute, and skill bar, and now champion point allocation, exactly alike.

So far I have pushed each Templar through the first zone of Cadwells Silver, and one Templar through the second zone (Grahtwood).

All of my Templars are having trouble being OVERLEVELED. My DC Templar is now pushing 3.5 going into Greenshade, a level vet3 zone. I am skipping content on this one to avoid being too overleveled. I gained 4 cp on this one yesterday, in about 8 hours of actual questing (not counting banking, crafting and such non-productive time).

So all of my Templars seem to be experiencing the same sort of xp gain regardless of alliance, or zone.


Why is my experience so different from yours? I don't know. I do seem to be 'enlightened' almost all the time.

Possible differences:
1) I'm a subscriber (call me a fool, I know)
2) I have 4 vet level toons, so 3 are resting all the time. (does this even make a difference?)
3) I'm an OCD completionista
4) I kill everything, I refuse, for example, to wear costumes in the costume quests.

My VR Templar entered Grahtwood at VR2 with a small part of the bar filled, and completed every quest, delve, dolmen, and the public dungeon before moving on to Greenshade. I'd previously taken two alts through Grahtwood at the normal levels, so I was very familiar with the zone; I know I didn't miss anything... and I got the Grahtwood Explorer's Achievement, so I didn't miss any areas either.

When my Templar moved on to Greenshade, he was STILL VR2, slightly MORE THAN 180,000 XP shy of VR3. He's now done a lot of quests in Greenshade and he's STILL 46,000 XP shy of VR3.

Getting to VR2 was easy. Getting to VR3 is going to be a pain in the butt. Once I get there, then what? Fighting mobs a veteran level above my Templar (who is primarily a healer) is not exactly enjoyable.

FWIW, I am also a subscriber, have three VR toons, am a completionist, and kill everything in my way. So there's no difference with @Rumba1... and, yes, I'm always enlightened, too.

So, I have to agree with the OP. Since we're seeing widely disparate experiences, something is rotten in Denmark. [No offense to anyone actually from Denmark.]

Glurin wrote: »

There's just no pleasing some people. They rush through skipping everything that doesn't result in quick XP. If they hit max level they complain that there is almost no content in the game because they leveled too fast. If they run into an area that is too hard they complain that the leveling isn't fast enough.

How about you try not skipping content. There is more to MMOs than just standing around being max level with all the best gear.

I've never complained that there isn't enough content, and I've played since beta. I haven't 'skipped' this particular content, I've done it at least twice, but when I'm on multiple alts, I don't care to repeat the same quests again and again. The reason I don't complain about there not being content is because I just want to go pvp with my alts, or run dungeons/trials again if we're short a particular role. But I have this monumental veteran rank grind that's been made worse by removing all of the craglorn xp, and furthered by the apparent restructuring of xp rewards to be solely tied to quests. As someone just said, they removed dolmen completion xp and nerfed WB xp without really buffing anything else. They're just reducing alternative means of getting xp so you're forced to do quests. People can ride their high horses all they want about completing each and every single map, but frankly I don't want to do it 5 times, and that's where I'm at now. I've literally been there, done that, and have the t-shirt ... err ... costumes.

While this has more or less turned into a conversation about veteran leveling as a whole, the bulk of my OP was in regards to the fact that dolmens and WB now... suck, and there isn't a good reason for them to be that way. They used to be one time achievements that you'd get xp for, so it's not like you could exploit them. They used to complement questing as you were in the area and could hit two or three birds with one stone, and they'd allow you to still gain enough xp to level without being forced to do every single side quest. It's all pve content. It's just not all rewarding any more, and that doesn't make sense.

The 'high horse' people also seem to like to stay quiet when the topic shifts to going from v10 to v14 in craglorn like the zones are structured for. This is absolutely broken; there simply aren't enough delves and quests to get 4 million xp out of lower and upper craglorn any more, period.

With veteran ranks going away, what is the point of this grind being made worse than it used to be? Really now, try and give me a logical answer to that question.

Cody wrote: »

heck yeah you will only gain about half of the XP for all of the zones if you only do half of the work. If you want the full XP, you will have to do the quests. The leveling system for vet ranks is in no way broken. Just because you can no longer skip all of the quests does not mean it is broken. You want the XP from the zones? Then do the work and earn the XP.

This post of yours is nothing more than you being lazy and demanding ZOS to adhere to your laziness. I had to spend 3 months doing each and every quest PLUS the objectives you listed, to get my vet 14 rank. Dang right you will only get 1/3rd of it for 1/3rd the work. It would not be fair to me and everyone else that has sat down and done it, if you could earn it all by just doing the dolmens and the objectives.

If you want to gain XP without questing then hit up a grind spot. Do not come on these forums demanding change when you exclude literally half of the content in the veteran zones.

I will not respond to any responses. This post is just laziness, nothing more, nothing less. Eventually you will look back at this and realize how wrong you sounded.

No, I'm not going to look back on this and 'realize how wrong I sound', but you certainly might. As someone who has done the veteran grind on multiple characters and is now doing it again on a 4th character, and soon to be 5th character, it's obvious to me something is off, though you may not be as insightful. I've DONE this content, 3 times over, so not wanting to do it a 4th and 5th time isn't laziness, it's boredom and realization that there's little point with the upcoming removal of veteran ranks.

Furthermore, as someone that's done the vet grind multiple times, my biggest gripe is that doing dolmens and WB used to account for a gigantic chunk of the XP you would get for completing pve content in silver and gold zones, and now it literally gives you about 1/10 of the progress you used to get. There isn't a good excuse for that, and if you compare it to the way it's been for about 11 months, that's obviously broken. The only way it wouldn't be broken, is if ZOS comes out to say they purposefully want to only adequately reward pve content you do if it's questing, and nothing else. And if that's true... well good luck to them considering how many of the new players and returning players will be turned off by it.

And again, go ahead and try taking a v10 to v14 in craglorn doing all of the quests and map completion. By my estimates, you're going to come up short by about 2.5 levels.