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Suggested change with Vampire Skill line Advancement
So i have noticed there is a distinct difference in the speed at which the vampire skill line and werewolf skill line can be leveled up.
I've had several Vampires, each of which have taken considerable time before the Vampire Skill line reaches level 10. Over a week of dedicated gaming before it even reaches level 6.
Whereas the other day i made one of my low level characters into a werewolf, i then leveled the werewolf skill line up to level 10 and then turned another low level player into a werewolf and he then leveled his werewolf skill line up to level 6..... all of this in an evening of gameplay.
To balance this i was wondering if perhaps the Vampire Skill line should have an alternative way of advancing besides the typical "XP gained, multiplied by how many vampire skills are active on your bar" deal as most of my vampires didn't really find much use in the all of the vampire skills.
My proposal would be to emulate how the Werewolf line works with "number of enemies killed while in werewolf form" to perhaps be "number of times fed" so that to level the vampire skill line you would have to sneak up and feed on enemies before killing them. Maybe even have it as "enemies killed within 10 seconds of having fed" so that if you are quick you could get vampire advancement from a group of 3-4 enemies after having fed on one of them instead of just getting the XP from the one you fed on. This seems balanced with the way the WW skill advances as it takes good timing to be able to stay in Werewolf form for prolonged time and if the vampire line were to work similarly then you could level the skill line faster with good timing. not to mention that you can only feed on human enemies this limits the type of enemies that you can gain vampire advancement from which is akin to not gaining WW advancement while not being in form.
Anyways, thats a rough example of what i have been thinking this past week. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great.
I've had several Vampires, each of which have taken considerable time before the Vampire Skill line reaches level 10. Over a week of dedicated gaming before it even reaches level 6.
Whereas the other day i made one of my low level characters into a werewolf, i then leveled the werewolf skill line up to level 10 and then turned another low level player into a werewolf and he then leveled his werewolf skill line up to level 6..... all of this in an evening of gameplay.
To balance this i was wondering if perhaps the Vampire Skill line should have an alternative way of advancing besides the typical "XP gained, multiplied by how many vampire skills are active on your bar" deal as most of my vampires didn't really find much use in the all of the vampire skills.
My proposal would be to emulate how the Werewolf line works with "number of enemies killed while in werewolf form" to perhaps be "number of times fed" so that to level the vampire skill line you would have to sneak up and feed on enemies before killing them. Maybe even have it as "enemies killed within 10 seconds of having fed" so that if you are quick you could get vampire advancement from a group of 3-4 enemies after having fed on one of them instead of just getting the XP from the one you fed on. This seems balanced with the way the WW skill advances as it takes good timing to be able to stay in Werewolf form for prolonged time and if the vampire line were to work similarly then you could level the skill line faster with good timing. not to mention that you can only feed on human enemies this limits the type of enemies that you can gain vampire advancement from which is akin to not gaining WW advancement while not being in form.
Anyways, thats a rough example of what i have been thinking this past week. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great.
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bosmern_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Overall vampire levels passively, you can morph its abilities much faster than the WW.
If you want to level up WW you have to transform, and while you are transformed you have to kill stuff which requires much more work.
If something requires more work than the other, it should be faster, It's common knowledge.~Thallen~0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Yea that would be cool. And change the vamp ULT to make you into a large count Dracula style vampire that is only up for a short time, but lasts longer as you feed, then you would be on par with werewolf.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
Jarlaxle Baenrex V16 Dunmer NB0 -
bosmern_ESO wrote: »Overall vampire levels passively, you can morph its abilities much faster than the WW.
If you want to level up WW you have to transform, and while you are transformed you have to kill stuff which requires much more work.
If something requires more work than the other, it should be faster, It's common knowledge.
I understand that much, but the point i was trying to make is that right now, it is possible to max out your WW skill line and open up all the passives including Bloodmoon in merely a few hours of grinding. But with the Vampire skill line as it is it takes at the very least several days if not a week of dedicated Grinding.
Even just to get the vampire line to 6 to unlock Blood Ritual is a LONG grind.Edited by KoRRoDEAD on March 19, 2015 6:21AM0 -
kewl✭✭✭✭✭
✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »If something requires more work than the other, it should be faster, It's common knowledge.
Argumentum ad populum
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html0 -
bosmern_ESO wrote: »If something requires more work than the other, it should be faster, It's common knowledge.
Argumentum ad populum
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html
If that's true then Vampire skill line should be faster because it takes more work right now.
I leveled my WW to max in only about 3 transformations, so i didnt even have to grind ultimate, i just had to level it to 3 to get Devour and then i farmed Vivec's Antlers jumping from dreugh to dreugh and it was "easy".
To level Vampire skill line to max i have to grind actual XP of which the fastest way is to Quest and level my character meaning that it's pretty much impossible to have a maxed Vampire skill at level 18, but my Werewolf has maxed skill line at lvl 18 with relatively little work.0 -
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✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Overall vampire levels passively, you can morph its abilities much faster than the WW.
If you want to level up WW you have to transform, and while you are transformed you have to kill stuff which requires much more work.
If something requires more work than the other, it should be faster, It's common knowledge.
There is a place you can go to level up the WW skill line to 10 in about 3hrs of grinding/play.
I only tell those that I turn where they can go to level it though.
It is much, much faster than leveling the Vamp line ever thought of being, so I can understand why the OP is asking.Far too many characters to list any more.0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭One thing that you may be overlooking is that while it's true the WW overall can level faster, each WW skill is harder to level.
You have to either transform as much as possible and kill lots and lots of stuff while transformed to level them or put them on your normal bar, where they sit completely useless taking up slots that could be used for other abilities. Vampires don't have that problem, as their skills can be used without a transformation, including passives."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
One thing that you may be overlooking is that while it's true the WW overall can level faster, each WW skill is harder to level.
You have to either transform as much as possible and kill lots and lots of stuff while transformed to level them or put them on your normal bar, where they sit completely useless taking up slots that could be used for other abilities. Vampires don't have that problem, as their skills can be used without a transformation, including passives.
True also but my main concern (being the leader of a vampire/werewolf guild) is that it takes so long before vampires can make new vampires, yet werewolves can breed like... well bunnies...0