Your going to get a lot of people, who don't play an NB tell you u suck. Anyway good post

WRX wrote: »

Yeah if you plan to do heavy burst DPS you should be stamina now. Which I find completely ridiculous, they should be even.

Actually they were even in 1.5, but the issue was A) bad players B.) Caps on weapon dmg C) several other points I am forgetting

I managed to kill 2 or 3 peeps every now and then...

its exciting let me tell y'all, even if you die 3 minutes later to their teammates.

JDar wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

I managed to kill 2 or 3 peeps every now and then...

its exciting let me tell y'all, even if you die 3 minutes later to their teammates.

Yes NB is playing on hard mode but we can always spam fear. I don't like it when people hate fear. I love it when people hate fear.

hehehe.....

fear is the bolt escape of the NB due to all the hate it seems to get.

Lertil wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

I managed to kill 2 or 3 peeps every now and then...

its exciting let me tell y'all, even if you die 3 minutes later to their teammates.

Do you kill those people because you out damaged all of them or because of your clever use of spells/blocking/dodging to outplay them?
Thats what my point is, DPS is king right now and its boring gameplay.

the first time it was in blackwater blade. Some jerk spammed those unkillable mercs and prevented a de-throning with that crap tactic.

I was out for blood. I found him, but he had a teammate with him. I decided to say "fudge it" and attacked. He ran back and let his teammate tank me. I threw down a veil of blades and the "tank"(he was not really a tank, he used DW axes if i recall, but he threw himself in front of me to save his comrade, so im calling him a tank) did not get out of it in time before he took massive damage from it. I finished him off with a flurry and an impale(this was before 1.6 btw). the cowardly cheater was providing ranged support a good distance away, and after i killed his teammate, i charged him and slaughtered him. He could not fight worth a crap(cheaters never can) and i finished him off quickly. I saw him a few more times after that before he completely vanished from the server(I reported him so he may have, despite the terrible CS system, been banned)

another time I THINK was on my VR 14, in either thornblade, haderus, or wabbajack. whether it was on my VR14 or another character, it did happen. It was in front of alessia, I jumped one of the pathetic lesser creatures known as AD players(:D) and was about to kill him, when someone with a shield invasioned me. the player I jumped ran and hid to heal, and me and the tank were squaring off while the other peeps there were fighting at the front door(Me and my 2 enemies were to the left in front of the wall) I hit him with sparks, he tried to flame whip me to death(or was it puncturing strikes? one of those) but my sparks forced him to miss. He had me at about 40% health(he got a few hits on me before i sparked him, and i do not have a large amount of health like most people do(or i should say "did" given that particular time), but a combination of sparks and a potion brought me back up. I threw down a veil and pummeled him with a crap ton of flurries; and he was overwhelmed. He tried to run, but i chased him and slew him. His teammate shot me from stealth with a bow. I do not remember how i survived, but I did, and slew him with a few well placed snipes.(he was still on medium-low health, the fight between me and the tank did not last very long)

another time was recently, in blackwater blade, right before 1.6 went live. I was near aleswell, and some EP gankers were roaming about.(I was playing on DC) I had a teammate, but she got killed by one of the NB gankers. that same ganker tried to kill me. I was using a DK, and was fully prepared to be jumped. I CC broke the attack, healed with dragon blood, rolled behind the ganker, taloned her, and started pummeling her with whips and DW sword attacks. She went down quick. Then I was jumped again by one of her teammates a few seconds later; I killed them too, with the same tactic. the 3rd ran off and hid before I was finally brought down by a few other of their teammates.(i could not get them again the rest of the night. lol)

those are the only three times I can remember. the first time one of them was a pathetic cheater that was pure garbage. the 2nd time one of them was in hiding, trying to heal, while i fought the other, which i killed solely due to sparks, veil, and that potion I used. the other I killed because he attacked me while he was still on low health, and it only took a few snipes to bring him down.

the 3rd time it was due to my experience AS a ganker(particulary a NB ganker, via my VR14 NB) that gave me the knowledge and the appropriate counter to defeat the gankers, where my teammate was just outright slaughtered.

So it was, in my opinion, a combination of skill, DPS, and some luck.

Make of it what you will.

Cody wrote: »

I managed to kill 2 or 3 peeps every now and then...

its exciting let me tell y'all, even if you die 3 minutes later to their teammates.

NB is kill quick, if fail die with some builds (like mine). I seen build with good survivability using resto staff, but then the fights takes long. But they can take 3-4 people as seen in some video's.

My build is meant to jump out of stealth and kill one and get out of sight again. I can sometimes take (only) 2 at a time since I have no heals except potions (and I have slacked for weeks to make them so I heal not these days)

Yesterday on Thorn I ragequitted to Chillrend. Every single ambush I performed failed due to lag. I press ambush, i jump, but not on the enemy. I just stand out of stealth at same position. enemy can see me, so i have to fight but miss my element of surprise. Then we fight and suddenly the server remembers.. oh yeah ambush, and i teleport to the place the other player was before. I am confused because i think wtf and half my stamina is gone. I try to run away using cloak which fails all the time for some reason (probably because i applied a DoT on other player) and i die.

It is getting frustrating. Same with lag and weapon swap. I stand toe-to-toe to a jesusbeamcaster and i want to switch to bow to poisonarrow them to break the beam. Fail because weaponswap only hits when you don't want it.

I will stay on Chillrend. Bigger battles, less lag. Of course it is not 100% lagfree like i experienced pre 1.2

PvP is very single target oriented now unless you run in a group. If you want to do more aoe style I suggest running in a group and taking on large numbers it's a lot of fun.

Lertil wrote: »

So a little about me,
I've been playing since beta as a Nightblade khajiit. I haven't levelled any other character and have only played that character. As a player i get bored of pve and its inherent reliance on other players for success. With this in mind i figured i would try out pvp since a lot of players were making "1vX" videos and they seemed to have a skill dependancy on the individual player. So i took to pvp and went through every build possible, ive tried medium, heavy, light armours, every weapon type possible and playstyle possible. I knew what was overpowered in whichever patch and would abuse it to the fullest.

Eventually I ended up becoming the "typical" Sword and Board magicka nightblade. I believe each player has their own way of playing and mine was going in to assassinate a healer with Reverb Bash and Soul Harvest to reduce healing to nothing then teleport back with my shade or roll dodge/stealth away. Escaping wasnt always successful, maybe 70% success rate but i felt like it depended on my ability as a player to deal with bugged abilities and understanding how the game works to escape. For example, Dark Cloak removes dots, is broken by direct damage from aoe but also broken from your own dots such as "Crippling Grasp" so i wouldnt use that spell if trying to escape.

With 1.6, it seems my ability as a player is irrelevant. Time to kill has become so incredibly low its become impossible to do anything to more than two people who aren't complete pugs. Along with the terrible stealth mechanics, which is a whole other topic, I feel useless as a solo player. The time to kill being lower has made pvp into a kill fast and escape gameplay for nightblades. The faster you can dps someone the better a pvper you are. There is no timing skills like fear to have someone cc'd without block up or using shades to outplay. My deaths feel cheap and bugged instead of a consequence for bad play on my part.

Some might say that 1.6 is a godsend thanks to the reduced power of "overpowered" builds but with 1.6 has come lots of other bugs or latency problems. The small sample size of 1.6 pvp i have, which is roughly 20-30 hours of straight pvp, I've had a questionable death every time. I've died mid dodge roll to melee abilities. Dark cloak is almost useless thanks to the increase in duration of detect pots. Stealth attacks are mostly always desynced resulting in 3-4 hits before damage is registered on my screen or nightblades opening on me with ambush to me dying instantly with my death recap showing 3 surprise attacks and an impale used on me before i could even cc break. Cc break also seems to have a 0.5-0.75 second delay from the moment you are cc'd. These bugs have helped lower the skillcap on pvp allowing stealth/glass cannon builds to shine a lot more than they need to.

In 1.5 the biggest problems were the 6 person aoe cap, blocking being an incredibly powerful tool to mitigate damage, stamina builds without much survivability, and zergs being a large cause for lag, as well as bugs like cc break not function with layered cc's. Even with these bugs, a skilled player could outplay 3-5 people. It was exciting to KO two or 3 people before dying to their 10man zerg. I dont feel that same excitement in 1.6.

As for solving these problems, I think there are enough threads on that topic and i don't need to go into any details about it in this one. I'm here to let my voice be heard so that maybe in the future we can see more skillful pvp instead of the "call of duty" pvp we have right now.

Ive been wanting to write something like this for a while, but the task felt so daunting Ive been postponing it, thank you for this post, I wholeheartedly agree as a mostly solo sorc.

Seth_Black wrote: »

Biggest problem in PvP really is - THE MACROS!
If you can assign specific chain of abilities to just one button and make it deal insane amounts of damage
It's pointless to pick any other class than NB to do it.
From stealth with shadow ability giving you 100% chance crit you ambush with your combo and damage only increases with every next ability used (depends on how good you are in building a combo).
As long as you've got enough stamina to do it you can troll even two players at once with same tactic.
PvP is broken bcs players can cheat (name it any way you like but for me using anything that gives you unfair advantage over other players is cheating)

Lol! Dude no good players use a macro... it's actually a disadvantage. When doing it manually, In the event that the situation change you can choose to use a different ability etc. It really isn't hard to use a 3 ability combo manually and time it.

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

Biggest problem in PvP really is - THE MACROS!
If you can assign specific chain of abilities to just one button and make it deal insane amounts of damage
It's pointless to pick any other class than NB to do it.
From stealth with shadow ability giving you 100% chance crit you ambush with your combo and damage only increases with every next ability used (depends on how good you are in building a combo).
As long as you've got enough stamina to do it you can troll even two players at once with same tactic.
PvP is broken bcs players can cheat (name it any way you like but for me using anything that gives you unfair advantage over other players is cheating)

Lol! Dude no good players use a macro... it's actually a disadvantage. When doing it manually, In the event that the situation change you can choose to use a different ability etc. It really isn't hard to use a 3 ability combo manually and time it.

I've got exactly same approach. Not using anything other than own skill.
But still... you know sometimes mindless spam of one ability or one simple chain of abilities (from macro) gives win vs skill anyway. It all depends what you actually spam.
For me personally it's way more fun to toy with my opponent, break the fight for a few seconds and make him think it's over ...to just go back again and keep putting him down ...to leave again and make him think 'thank god I'm alive' ...and finish it There's no such thing for me as 'rotation'
And in general I'm NOT talking about GOOD players
Good players won't do stuff like that just because they got brains ...and know how use them

TTK is ridiculously low. Last night i was in a duo with a sorc, he was using a sustain build, not a full dps build. I engage a target, and before i was able to cast anything other than entropy the dude was dead, killed by 1 hit of overload.
Also getting hit by a 2 hander heavy attack for 19k out of stealth and not even in melee range??

I think damage output as a whole should be nerfed in Cyrodil, not talking about specific skills or classes, i think everyone should hit less hard.