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Explorers Pack in Crown Store - say it ain't so!
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO I cannot find Gina's response that is quoted in your signature. Do you have a link for it or has ZOS' purged it as damage control?
Possibly. I dont know. Just tired of all the deception from Zenimax. Think its time to find a new mmo.5 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO I cannot find Gina's response that is quoted in your signature. Do you have a link for it or has ZOS' purged it as damage control?
Possibly. I dont know. Just tired of all the deception from Zenimax. Think its time to find a new mmo.
I found it actually and I am including it in my write up as I feel the same way. I think the phrase "Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no" applies in a general aspect to this situation.
Here's the link if you wanted it:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1509562/#Comment_1509562
Edited by Lionxoft on March 17, 2015 10:14PM2 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭Who cares, more people to kill...err play with in Cyrodiil would be great.
I was a little annoyed when I first logged into the crown store as I bought the explorers pack originally, but I got over that in 1.5 minutesBeen here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...2 -
Majeure✭✭✭✭Yeah, it's very disheartening to see this being put in the Crown Store especially after it was recently confirmed not to be included in the store. Yes, I remember reading the post in question myself at the time and how it put my mind at ease, but I suppose it was only meant to shut people up until it's too late.
But what's worse than that is the money grab decision of allowing anyone who just poured enough $$$ into game-time cards at the last mile to qualify for the tiger LOYALTY reward that, along with the rest of the rewards, should have been exclusive to those who, you know, actually stayed LOYAL to the game and kept subscribed through months and months of paid beta testing when everyone else completely gave up on any hope for the game as it was.
Now add to that the fact that PAST months of subscription give almost no crowns where-as future and leftover months give exponentially more return. Oh and they'll probably just release a re-skinned tiger or more that are almost identical to the loyalty reward that doesn't even prove anything at this point, what's next? Well, you may as well start selling beta monkeys in the Crown Store. ^^jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Just tired of all the deception from Zenimax. Think its time to find a new mmo.
I agree, these are exactly the kind of empty promises I quit RIFT for and never looked back, and that was before it's even more appalling free-to-play transition, so who knows how far ZOS will take this store of theirs if they're willing to do all this on day 1, but I'm not quite there yet with this game since the game itself is too beautiful and close to my heart to pass up just yet, but there is a limit.
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Yeah, it's very disheartening to see this being put in the Crown Store especially after it was recently confirmed not to be included in the store. Yes, I remember reading the post in question myself at the time and how it put my mind at ease, but I suppose it was only meant to shut people up until it's too late.
But what's worse than that is the money grab decision of allowing anyone who just poured enough $$$ into game-time cards at the last mile to qualify for the tiger LOYALTY reward that, along with the rest of the rewards, should have been exclusive to those who, you know, actually stayed LOYAL to the game and kept subscribed through months and months of paid beta testing when everyone else completely gave up on any hope for the game as it was.
Now add to that the fact that PAST months of subscription give almost no crowns where-as future and leftover months give exponentially more return. Oh and they'll probably just release a re-skinned tiger or more that are almost identical to the loyalty reward that doesn't even prove anything at this point, what's next? Well, you may as well start selling beta monkeys in the Crown Store. ^^jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Just tired of all the deception from Zenimax. Think its time to find a new mmo.
I agree, these are exactly the kind of empty promises I quit RIFT for and never looked back, and that was before it's even more appalling free-to-play transition, so who knows how far ZOS will take this store of theirs if they're willing to do all this on day 1, but I'm not quite there yet with this game since the game itself is too beautiful and close to my heart to pass up just yet, but there is a limit.
There are multiple alternate tiger skins. So yeah, the senche tiger mount will only be unique in that that skin will only be for 300 days loyalty.You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »Yeah, it's very disheartening to see this being put in the Crown Store especially after it was recently confirmed not to be included in the store. Yes, I remember reading the post in question myself at the time and how it put my mind at ease, but I suppose it was only meant to shut people up until it's too late.
But what's worse than that is the money grab decision of allowing anyone who just poured enough $$$ into game-time cards at the last mile to qualify for the tiger LOYALTY reward that, along with the rest of the rewards, should have been exclusive to those who, you know, actually stayed LOYAL to the game and kept subscribed through months and months of paid beta testing when everyone else completely gave up on any hope for the game as it was.
Now add to that the fact that PAST months of subscription give almost no crowns where-as future and leftover months give exponentially more return. Oh and they'll probably just release a re-skinned tiger or more that are almost identical to the loyalty reward that doesn't even prove anything at this point, what's next? Well, you may as well start selling beta monkeys in the Crown Store. ^^jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Just tired of all the deception from Zenimax. Think its time to find a new mmo.
I agree, these are exactly the kind of empty promises I quit RIFT for and never looked back, and that was before it's even more appalling free-to-play transition, so who knows how far ZOS will take this store of theirs if they're willing to do all this on day 1, but I'm not quite there yet with this game since the game itself is too beautiful and close to my heart to pass up just yet, but there is a limit.
There are multiple alternate tiger skins. So yeah, the senche tiger mount will only be unique in that that skin will only be for 300 days loyalty.
You assume that. I bet they put the same exact tiger in the store. They will claim "customers" drove the decision.1 -
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✭Who the heck cares? How's does it affect you in anyway?Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!4 -
Explorer's packs weren't just a preorder item. They were also sealed in the game cases of the physical imperial edition. I bought my brother a sealed imperial off ebay back in feburary 2015 for his birthday, and there was one in the game case.0 -
Mikoto✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Who the heck cares? How's does it affect you in anyway?
It does affect them. They aren't the special snowflake anymore (even though the pet is exclusive)3 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »The transition to Tamriel Unlimited has opened up some new opportunities for us. Now that ESO is no longer completely subscription-based, we're able to offer frequently requested character customization options such as the 'Play any race, any alliance' option.
As Tamriel Unlimited grows, we will regularly add and remove items from the Crown Store, switch up the content of item bundles, and even sell items currently in bundles à la carte. You should expect to see changes to store inventory on a regular basis. Please give us your feedback about what types of things you would like to see in the Crown Store, and we'll take that into account when making store inventory changes and designing new items.
Does that mean we should not count on you keeping true to your words, then?1 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Dude... it was never unique. Even now you can find tons of cd keys for that pack online....
So if you want to protest something, go on every online store website and demand they take it down. NOW!
A friend who wanted the game and is a min maxer got the pack last month online... from a 3rd party vendor. Since everyone is selling it, i`d say its ok for ZOS to sell it too.2 -
Kragorn✭✭✭✭✭
Actually it was done because ZOS said quite clearly they wanted pre-order /CEs to be something special and worth having, not some token gesture.I am very, very happy that Explorer's Pack is being sold on the Crown Store. It was severely idiotic in the first place to give such a major freedom solely to the people who pre-ordered the game. It's probably the only thing I am going to pay for now that the game no longer requires a subscription.
I have it on two accounts and am perfectly happy for others to be able to get it, but what's got me is ZOS pathetic attempt to continue to argue the EP isn't in the Store simply by changing its name and the pet that 's included: at least they should have had the spine to face-down those whining about it being made available again.5 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Will there be a warning before items are taken off the store? Just so if we are saving up our crowns in preparation for an item, it isn't taken off beforehand.
Yes, there will be messaging to let everyone know that an item will be limited-time or retired.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Is it possible to cancel a payment? I regret spending my crowns so quickly.Edited by BlackEar on March 18, 2015 8:03AMBjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Will there be a warning before items are taken off the store? Just so if we are saving up our crowns in preparation for an item, it isn't taken off beforehand.
Yes, there will be messaging to let everyone know that an item will be limited-time or retired.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Is it possible to cancel a payment? I regret spending my crowns so quickly.
Well that didn't take long. Usually digital sales are final. Did you happen to read the new TOS?
"Downloadable Content may be free, redeemable, and/or purchased... Once You have redeemed Downloadable Content, that Content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Content or for cash, other goods or services"
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service?q=102e765d-9ca4-4dac-8786-eef7c3f8dc22&p=4a190329-959f-422e-a972-a091c79a52bc&ts=1426666080&c=zenimaxonline&e=live&rt=Safetynet&h=3930490602c76a8393ed15966353aae9What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
Majic✭✭✭✭✭What I Have Learned From This Thread
1. Deception abounds.
2. For every act of deception, there is someone willing to defend it.
3. In Soviet Tamriel, game pre-orders YOU.Epopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
And verily, verily, spaketh the Lord: "Error <<1>>"11 -
Aerieth✭✭✭Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.@Aerieth - PC EU Megaserver
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From patch notes long forgotten:
"Fixed an issue if you had a summoned pet, it could potentially be grabbed by an invisible Molag-Bal and get stuck in a floating posture."
"Dogs can no longer teleport while chasing cats (much to the disappointment of the dogs)."4 -
Keron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just food for thought:
Did you also play a Tauren on Alliance in WoW? Or a dwarf in Horde?
Outrageous how they limited races to factions...2 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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To be fair, this reasoning doesn't apply to digital versions. And even not to all physical: I know people who didn't start playing till May because their country ran out of physical Imperial editions and they had to import, which took more time.Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.Edited by Rosveen on March 18, 2015 8:47AM0 -
Takhistis✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »GT_Schorsch wrote: »Will there be a certain week day where the store will be updated or will it happen on a completely unregular basis? Will we have to start the game to see what is new or will there be a show case article like the current one on the website for all new store updates?
We're still working out the exact Crown Store update cadence, but we will add new items at least once a month. We'll also do our best to react on a case-by-case basis when we see a lot of requests for specific items and services. We do plan to have a showcase article that coincides with new releases.
Please combine regular maintenance and Crown store updates to minimalize downtime from servers
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.
Heh... If I'm honest... I did the same.
You said that "if it keeps the cash flowing"... 100% agree and that's one of the things that baffles me, that they AREN'T ensuring a cash "flow" they are offering a one-time purchase.
I suggested that both the Imperial upgrade and the Explorer's Pack be placed behind the Subscription. This way ZOS creates ongoing revenue and a reason for players to keep their subscription/resubscribe.
Want to create an Imperial? Need a subscription.
Want to create a race outside of an alliance? Need a subscription.
Want a NEW Pledge of Mara? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Want an Imperial Horse? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Oh! and here's a monthly treasure map for you to go hunt down. Enjoy!
THIS kind of idea would "keep the cash flowing", not just make a single splash.
Oh and any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151782/put-the-imperial-edition-and-adventurer-pack-benefits-behind-the-subscription/p1
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭It wouldnt be the first time they said they were/weren't going to do something but did the opposite ey?
I'm not opposed to having it available, but I don't think it should be a crown store thing. It should be defaulted that you can play any race on any alliance just by buying the game at any time.1 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.
Heh... If I'm honest... I did the same.
You said that "if it keeps the cash flowing"... 100% agree and that's one of the things that baffles me, that they AREN'T ensuring a cash "flow" they are offering a one-time purchase.
I suggested that both the Imperial upgrade and the Explorer's Pack be placed behind the Subscription. This way ZOS creates ongoing revenue and a reason for players to keep their subscription/resubscribe.
Want to create an Imperial? Need a subscription.
Want to create a race outside of an alliance? Need a subscription.
Want a NEW Pledge of Mara? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Want an Imperial Horse? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Oh! and here's a monthly treasure map for you to go hunt down. Enjoy!
THIS kind of idea would "keep the cash flowing", not just make a single splash.
Oh and any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151782/put-the-imperial-edition-and-adventurer-pack-benefits-behind-the-subscription/p1
The problem with this is most of the benefits of these upgrades are not things you need all the time. It still wouldn't provide a regular cash flow because people would subscribe when they want to create a character in a different alliance, or buy the Imperial horse or whatever and then let it lapse afterwards. Unless you're seriously suggesting that people who create a character in a different alliance should lose access to that character any time their subscription runs out.
Also, What about people who already have the explorer's pack and/or Imperial edition but don't have a subscription? Are they they exception and they get to keep the upgrades anyway, or do they now have to pay a subscription to maintain access to something that was sold to them as a one-time purchase?
But maybe the most important point is that the absence of anything that guarantees each individual player keeps paying the same amount regularly shouldn't be a problem for ZOS, unless they're completely stupid. They (or at least their accountants) should be well aware that it doesn't work that way with a b2p/cash shop model. Instead they'll be looking for the average amount spent by all players combined to average out across multiple months to enough to keep the company running and allow some money to be invested in developing new content and items.
Pretty much the same way most companies operate. To take a random example Nvidia don't depend on individual people buying new graphics cards each month, or even every 6 months to keep their income going. They know the vast majority of their customers will only buy a product once every few years. But they also know they're not all going to buy it at the same time, so between that and ensuring they regularly release new products to appeal to new people (or persuade their customers from 5 years ago to upgrade) it averages out to a regular income.
Same idea here. Just with considerably cheaper products.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.
Heh... If I'm honest... I did the same.
You said that "if it keeps the cash flowing"... 100% agree and that's one of the things that baffles me, that they AREN'T ensuring a cash "flow" they are offering a one-time purchase.
I suggested that both the Imperial upgrade and the Explorer's Pack be placed behind the Subscription. This way ZOS creates ongoing revenue and a reason for players to keep their subscription/resubscribe.
Want to create an Imperial? Need a subscription.
Want to create a race outside of an alliance? Need a subscription.
Want a NEW Pledge of Mara? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Want an Imperial Horse? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Oh! and here's a monthly treasure map for you to go hunt down. Enjoy!
THIS kind of idea would "keep the cash flowing", not just make a single splash.
Oh and any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151782/put-the-imperial-edition-and-adventurer-pack-benefits-behind-the-subscription/p1
The problem with this is most of the benefits of these upgrades are not things you need all the time. It still wouldn't provide a regular cash flow because people would subscribe when they want to create a character in a different alliance, or buy the Imperial horse or whatever and then let it lapse afterwards. Unless you're seriously suggesting that people who create a character in a different alliance should lose access to that character any time their subscription runs out.
Also, What about people who already have the explorer's pack and/or Imperial edition but don't have a subscription? Are they they exception and they get to keep the upgrades anyway, or do they now have to pay a subscription to maintain access to something that was sold to them as a one-time purchase?
But maybe the most important point is that the absence of anything that guarantees each individual player keeps paying the same amount regularly shouldn't be a problem for ZOS, unless they're completely stupid. They (or at least their accountants) should be well aware that it doesn't work that way with a b2p/cash shop model. Instead they'll be looking for the average amount spent by all players combined to average out across multiple months to enough to keep the company running and allow some money to be invested in developing new content and items.
Pretty much the same way most companies operate. To take a random example Nvidia don't depend on individual people buying new graphics cards each month, or even every 6 months to keep their income going. They know the vast majority of their customers will only buy a product once every few years. But they also know they're not all going to buy it at the same time, so between that and ensuring they regularly release new products to appeal to new people (or persuade their customers from 5 years ago to upgrade) it averages out to a regular income.
Same idea here. Just with considerably cheaper products.
I covered some of this in the post I linked. Yes... those with the benefits get to keep them. I am not suggesting anyone lose access to anything once their benefits lapse. I am suggesting that these benefits would entice players to subscribe.
And as I stated:any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
One of the ideas with my suggestion is the creation of a subscriber only portion of the Crown Store. Let everyone see what is in there, but only allow players who subscribe to buy those items. One of those items would be the Pledge of Mara. Many players would sub just for that. I have other ideas in other posts for what could be in that store, so I won't go into that here.
The idea is to entice players into subbing so that a longer, more steady revenue stream can be established. If ZOS expects to make it into the future. a new horse here and a new costume there just isn't going to make it.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!0 -
Govalon✭✭✭✭
So you would make us pay so we get to pay even more? Brilliant! I suggest you and I make an MMO together.Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.
Heh... If I'm honest... I did the same.
You said that "if it keeps the cash flowing"... 100% agree and that's one of the things that baffles me, that they AREN'T ensuring a cash "flow" they are offering a one-time purchase.
I suggested that both the Imperial upgrade and the Explorer's Pack be placed behind the Subscription. This way ZOS creates ongoing revenue and a reason for players to keep their subscription/resubscribe.
Want to create an Imperial? Need a subscription.
Want to create a race outside of an alliance? Need a subscription.
Want a NEW Pledge of Mara? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Want an Imperial Horse? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Oh! and here's a monthly treasure map for you to go hunt down. Enjoy!
THIS kind of idea would "keep the cash flowing", not just make a single splash.
Oh and any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151782/put-the-imperial-edition-and-adventurer-pack-benefits-behind-the-subscription/p1
The problem with this is most of the benefits of these upgrades are not things you need all the time. It still wouldn't provide a regular cash flow because people would subscribe when they want to create a character in a different alliance, or buy the Imperial horse or whatever and then let it lapse afterwards. Unless you're seriously suggesting that people who create a character in a different alliance should lose access to that character any time their subscription runs out.
Also, What about people who already have the explorer's pack and/or Imperial edition but don't have a subscription? Are they they exception and they get to keep the upgrades anyway, or do they now have to pay a subscription to maintain access to something that was sold to them as a one-time purchase?
But maybe the most important point is that the absence of anything that guarantees each individual player keeps paying the same amount regularly shouldn't be a problem for ZOS, unless they're completely stupid. They (or at least their accountants) should be well aware that it doesn't work that way with a b2p/cash shop model. Instead they'll be looking for the average amount spent by all players combined to average out across multiple months to enough to keep the company running and allow some money to be invested in developing new content and items.
Pretty much the same way most companies operate. To take a random example Nvidia don't depend on individual people buying new graphics cards each month, or even every 6 months to keep their income going. They know the vast majority of their customers will only buy a product once every few years. But they also know they're not all going to buy it at the same time, so between that and ensuring they regularly release new products to appeal to new people (or persuade their customers from 5 years ago to upgrade) it averages out to a regular income.
Same idea here. Just with considerably cheaper products.
I covered some of this in the post I linked. Yes... those with the benefits get to keep them. I am not suggesting anyone lose access to anything once their benefits lapse. I am suggesting that these benefits would entice players to subscribe.
And as I stated:any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
One of the ideas with my suggestion is the creation of a subscriber only portion of the Crown Store. Let everyone see what is in there, but only allow players who subscribe to buy those items. One of those items would be the Pledge of Mara. Many players would sub just for that. I have other ideas in other posts for what could be in that store, so I won't go into that here.
The idea is to entice players into subbing so that a longer, more steady revenue stream can be established. If ZOS expects to make it into the future. a new horse here and a new costume there just isn't going to make it.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
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So you would make us pay so we get to pay even more? Brilliant! I suggest you and I make an MMO together.Don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game to ensure that I got my Imperial Edition on launch day; not to get advantages in-game. I'm a bit amazed that they put that on the Crown Store, but I don't really care, if it keeps the cash flowing for ZOS.
Heh... If I'm honest... I did the same.
You said that "if it keeps the cash flowing"... 100% agree and that's one of the things that baffles me, that they AREN'T ensuring a cash "flow" they are offering a one-time purchase.
I suggested that both the Imperial upgrade and the Explorer's Pack be placed behind the Subscription. This way ZOS creates ongoing revenue and a reason for players to keep their subscription/resubscribe.
Want to create an Imperial? Need a subscription.
Want to create a race outside of an alliance? Need a subscription.
Want a NEW Pledge of Mara? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Want an Imperial Horse? To buy that, you need a subscription.
Oh! and here's a monthly treasure map for you to go hunt down. Enjoy!
THIS kind of idea would "keep the cash flowing", not just make a single splash.
Oh and any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151782/put-the-imperial-edition-and-adventurer-pack-benefits-behind-the-subscription/p1
The problem with this is most of the benefits of these upgrades are not things you need all the time. It still wouldn't provide a regular cash flow because people would subscribe when they want to create a character in a different alliance, or buy the Imperial horse or whatever and then let it lapse afterwards. Unless you're seriously suggesting that people who create a character in a different alliance should lose access to that character any time their subscription runs out.
Also, What about people who already have the explorer's pack and/or Imperial edition but don't have a subscription? Are they they exception and they get to keep the upgrades anyway, or do they now have to pay a subscription to maintain access to something that was sold to them as a one-time purchase?
But maybe the most important point is that the absence of anything that guarantees each individual player keeps paying the same amount regularly shouldn't be a problem for ZOS, unless they're completely stupid. They (or at least their accountants) should be well aware that it doesn't work that way with a b2p/cash shop model. Instead they'll be looking for the average amount spent by all players combined to average out across multiple months to enough to keep the company running and allow some money to be invested in developing new content and items.
Pretty much the same way most companies operate. To take a random example Nvidia don't depend on individual people buying new graphics cards each month, or even every 6 months to keep their income going. They know the vast majority of their customers will only buy a product once every few years. But they also know they're not all going to buy it at the same time, so between that and ensuring they regularly release new products to appeal to new people (or persuade their customers from 5 years ago to upgrade) it averages out to a regular income.
Same idea here. Just with considerably cheaper products.
I covered some of this in the post I linked. Yes... those with the benefits get to keep them. I am not suggesting anyone lose access to anything once their benefits lapse. I am suggesting that these benefits would entice players to subscribe.
And as I stated:any player that subs for 3 months has given ZOS more money than a player that upgrades to Imperial Edition and buys the "Adventurer Pack".
One of the ideas with my suggestion is the creation of a subscriber only portion of the Crown Store. Let everyone see what is in there, but only allow players who subscribe to buy those items. One of those items would be the Pledge of Mara. Many players would sub just for that. I have other ideas in other posts for what could be in that store, so I won't go into that here.
The idea is to entice players into subbing so that a longer, more steady revenue stream can be established. If ZOS expects to make it into the future. a new horse here and a new costume there just isn't going to make it.
Lol. Yep. You pay for the privilege of having access to buy the items. Double charge'ed!What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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As we discussed in your thread on this particular issue, I said adding in this feature was going to very likely bring forth the mass flames of QQ --- and it has. Big surpise.... And no, the crown store as it is at this very moment will not bring in a lot off revenue. You are forgetting though, as are others here, that it is only been up for a few days.
They have repeatedly stated they will be updating content in the store very often and bringing in new items. I have no doubt that is one part of their word they intent to keep this time. Give it half a minute to get going before assuming it will not provide anything sufficient for sustainability. Meantime, I would encourage you to update and keep your suggestions thread about store items going, since some of those ideas may be of interest to other players and could get some attention for the store.0