DLC's as a ESO Plus subscriber? Confused -_-

Tapio75 · February 2015

As i read stuff i get a bit confused about that dpownloadable content..

As a Plus member, we have access to all DLC's, right? This is clear.. But do we really lose rights to access that content if that subscription goes kaputt for some reason?

As they are called DÖC's.. I get an impression that they are sort of expansions.. Expansions are usually something you pay once and thats it, nothing more required and you will be able to play it all the times after that... So should this content be playable even while subscription runs out. LOTRO works like this at least, you buy a pack like Moria and it is available at all times.. Same for quest packs..

Now.. I plan to be subber BUT if a freerider wants to access that DLC, do they buy it from crown store or what? Do they have to pay crowns in crown shop mothly as well to keep that access to these DLC's?

I dont know... The way they speak about these things makes me confused and i start to think would it be better if everyone just have to buy those DÖC's from shop with crowns or money like in LOTRO instead of just making it like it sounds right now?

Gidorick · February 2015

Yes. You can access DLC by subscribing or buy buying it in the crown store. Subscribing you rent it, buying you own it.

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

You understood correctly.

DLC is not the same as an expansion. And there are two ways to get access to it: pay a one-time fee in the Crown Store to get the DLC, or be an ESO Plus member. ESO Plus gives you access to all the DLC while you're still a paying member, in addition to the monthly crown allotment, etc. Paying a flat fee gives you access to only the DLC you pay for.

The current description sounds fine to me: you get your $15 a month in Crowns, access to all DLC without paying additional fees, and all the other perks of ESO Plus. If you don't plan on ever getting anything in the Crown Store, then buying the DLC independently may be a better choice, but I suppose that will also depend on DLC pricing.

Grapdjan · February 2015

So will there be DLC and expansions?

Tapio75 · February 2015

Many thanks for replies

Gidorick · February 2015

Grapdjan wrote: »

So will there be DLC and expansions?

Unknown.

zward887_ESO · February 2015

Here is a scenario for you OP: You want to buy a new DLC... say Imperial City and its going to cost 3000 crowns. (remember, this is a scenario, it doesn't matter if you actually want to buy IC or if its 3000 crowns)

Do you buy a $30 pack of 3000 crowns and buy it, or do you subscribe for two months for the same $30, get 3000 crowns, and also have 2 months of +10% XP for champion points, +10% gold cause hey why not, AND get a free 2 months access to Imperial City to decide if you really want to buy it and keep it?

Which option sounds more appealing to you?

Also, if you decide you wish to subscribe indefinitely, you can just continue the free access until you are done playing and use the crowns you get each month to buy other things in the cash shop. Its your choice not to purchase the DLC though, which you will have to do no matter what if you want to play it indefinitely.

Honestly, if you are looking to buy crowns at all, you start with subscribing first, and then only purchase additional crown packs if you need more above and beyond what you would get from a one-time subscription purchase.

Erock25 · February 2015

zward887_ESO wrote: »

Here is a scenario for you OP: You want to buy a new DLC... say Imperial City and its going to cost 3000 crowns. (remember, this is a scenario, it doesn't matter if you actually want to buy IC or if its 3000 crowns)

Do you buy a $30 pack of 3000 crowns and buy it, or do you subscribe for two months for the same $30, get 3000 crowns, and also have 2 months of +10% XP for champion points, +10% gold cause hey why not, AND get a free 2 months access to Imperial City to decide if you really want to buy it and keep it?

Which option sounds more appealing to you?

Also, if you decide you wish to subscribe indefinitely, you can just continue the free access until you are done playing and use the crowns you get each month to buy other things in the cash shop. Its your choice not to purchase the DLC though, which you will have to do no matter what if you want to play it indefinitely.

Honestly, if you are looking to buy crowns at all, you start with subscribing first, and then only purchase additional crown packs if you need more above and beyond what you would get from a one-time subscription purchase.

Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? For example let's say ESO Plus is still 15$ a month and with that they give you 1500 Crowns per month. If someone who isn't subbed going to pay that same exchange rate of 1$ per 100 Crowns?

SweetRoll · February 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

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Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? ...

No, that is not known at all yet. I believe zward was just using the $15=1500 Crowns as an example.
It is all conjecture at this point, but I believe it will be closer to $10=5000 Crowns. Why would they give subscription folks the full value (in crowns) for their sub PLUS everything else? I find that doubtful, personally. Having said that, I intend to keep my subscription until ZOS makes it not fun anymore...

Artemiisia · February 2015

well why sub until the first DLC release? once the first DLC is released you can just sub and "rent" it.

from 17 marts and till the first DLC, I cant see any reason to sub

Froggmann5 · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Grapdjan wrote: »

So will there be DLC and expansions?

Unknown.

It's very well known that there will be. In fact, they've officially stated that Orsinium is the next DLC area they are releasing.

They're also working on MurkMire, Mephala's Realm, Abah's Landing, and The ClockWork City. All of these are shown in the ESO Tamriel Unlimited episode.

Galilelo · February 2015

Artemiisia wrote: »

well why sub until the first DLC release? once the first DLC is released you can just sub and "rent" it.

from 17 marts and till the first DLC, I cant see any reason to sub

Same feeling here. Why sub until the first DLC? And they said it won't be out until after console launch. So basically between March 17th and June 9th, there is no reason to sub at all.

BigM · February 2015

But you can argue the point you aren't renting the DLC you are paying for it with the sub. So once we play through that DLC, it should be ours free and clear even if we unsub after. I only see problems with ZoS saying we are renting it with a sub. Far as am concerned we bought it.

Gidorick · February 2015

Froggmann5 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Grapdjan wrote: »

So will there be DLC and expansions?

Unknown.

It's very well known that there will be. In fact, they've officially stated that Orsinium is the next DLC area they are releasing.

They're also working on MurkMire, Mephala's Realm, Abah's Landing, and The ClockWork City. All of these are shown in the ESO Tamriel Unlimited episode.

I think @Grapdjan is asking if there will be DLC like Lower Craglorn AND separate expansions like WOW recently released.

Erock25 · February 2015

SweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

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Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? ...

No, that is not known at all yet. I believe zward was just using the $15=1500 Crowns as an example.
It is all conjecture at this point, but I believe it will be closer to $10=5000 Crowns. Why would they give subscription folks the full value (in crowns) for their sub PLUS everything else? I find that doubtful, personally. Having said that, I intend to keep my subscription until ZOS makes it not fun anymore...

Yeah but if straight up buying Crowns has such a better conversion rate, I most certainly will not sub and just buy the DLC's. Let's say just for the sake of an example that there are three DLCs released over the period from June 2015 to June 2016 and each go for 10k Crowns a piece. If I choose to sub for that time, I will have paid 180$ and received only 18k Crowns. If I don't spend any Crowns at all and let my sub lapse, I can't play those DLC anymore and am left 12k Crowns (about 24$ worth with your conversion rate) short of being able to buy all three. If I don't sub during that time frame and outright buy Crowns for a $10=5000 Crown rate, I can buy the DLC as they come out and only spend 60$ total and have access to them forever. 204$ compared to 60$ is a pretty big rip off.

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

SweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

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Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? ...

No, that is not known at all yet. I believe zward was just using the $15=1500 Crowns as an example.
It is all conjecture at this point, but I believe it will be closer to $10=5000 Crowns. Why would they give subscription folks the full value (in crowns) for their sub PLUS everything else? I find that doubtful, personally. Having said that, I intend to keep my subscription until ZOS makes it not fun anymore...

Have you seen the Crown Store?

The Imperial Edition is, last I checked, 2100 Crowns. The Imperial Edition currently costs $20. Do the math.

Enodoc · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

SweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

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Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? ...

No, that is not known at all yet. I believe zward was just using the $15=1500 Crowns as an example.
It is all conjecture at this point, but I believe it will be closer to $10=5000 Crowns. Why would they give subscription folks the full value (in crowns) for their sub PLUS everything else? I find that doubtful, personally. Having said that, I intend to keep my subscription until ZOS makes it not fun anymore...

Have you seen the Crown Store?

The Imperial Edition is, last I checked, 2100 Crowns. The Imperial Edition currently costs $20. Do the math.

Theoretically I'd be inclined to agree with that logic, but unfortunately it's not quite that simple. The Imperial Edition in the UK is also £20, but sub is £8.99. (It's the cost of the Imperial Edition that's out of whack here.)

zward887_ESO · February 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Are we sure that straight up buying crowns is the same value ratio as what is given when subbed? For example let's say ESO Plus is still 15$ a month and with that they give you 1500 Crowns per month. If someone who isn't subbed going to pay that same exchange rate of 1$ per 100 Crowns?

You make a fair point, and I don't think it will end up being quite so simple as I'm sure you'll get bulk purchase discounts the same as you did for 3 and 6 month subscriptions previously.

It is just that my previous experience has shown that it is almost always the case that 1 currency point = $0.01 USD or 1 cent. So I highly suspect that 1 crown = 1 cent USD. They may end up throwing off the conversion a little bit just to confuse people as to the actual real currency price they are paying but I just don't think so. My assumption is clearly based off assuming its the same price though, that is correct.

If they make it cheaper to buy crowns outright without subscribing, then I don't imagine they will have many subscriptions. The value of subscribing if you don't get full crown value is fairly weak imo.

psicorpb16_ESO · March 2015

Mmmmm. So to summarise, do we still not know if subbing and accumulating crown points to save up for DLC is cheaper than waiting to see if a bulk purchase offer when said DLC is released, and not subbing ?(Ignoring xp benefits) , and if we're not sure is there any chance of clarification from the powers that be please?

Apologies if this has been answered already, but couldn't find it.

Thanks in advance

UrQuan · March 2015

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

Mmmmm. So to summarise, do we still not know if subbing and accumulating crown points to save up for DLC is cheaper than waiting to see if a bulk purchase offer when said DLC is released, and not subbing ?(Ignoring xp benefits) , and if we're not sure is there any chance of clarification from the powers that be please?

Apologies if this has been answered already, but couldn't find it.

Thanks in advance

The store now has the cost of crown bundles (because you can now buy crowns), so we now know that if you're buying in the biggest bulk option available (5500 crowns) it's cheaper to buy your crowns directly than to buy them indirectly with a subscription. Not by a lot, though.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Buying seems smarter than renting. Unless it's really really dubious DLC.

psicorpb16_ESO · March 2015

Ok thanks for quick response

UrQuan · March 2015

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

Buying seems smarter than renting. Unless it's really really dubious DLC.

Based on the prices of crowns I don't know that I'd agree with that.

If you don't care about the other subscriber benefits (the 10% bonuses), then wait for a DLC to come out, get a 1 month subscription that comes with 1500 crowns (for the same price as buying a pack of 1500 crowns), and you've just got yourself a trial of the DLC.

If you find it's not worth buying in order to hang on to it for longer than that one month, then you're better off than if you had bought the crowns to buy it, because you just cancel your sub, and you've still got 1500 crowns to go towards the next DLC or something else.

If you decide you want to buy it, then just cancel your subscription and top up your crowns by however much you need to in order to buy the DLC.

This way will cost you slightly more than just buying crowns in bulk, but only a little more, and you have the security of knowing that you won't waste your crowns on any DLC that you don't feel is worth it.

Zorvan · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

Buying seems smarter than renting. Unless it's really really dubious DLC.

Based on the prices of crowns I don't know that I'd agree with that.

If you don't care about the other subscriber benefits (the 10% bonuses), then wait for a DLC to come out, get a 1 month subscription that comes with 1500 crowns (for the same price as buying a pack of 1500 crowns), and you've just got yourself a trial of the DLC.

If you find it's not worth buying in order to hang on to it for longer than that one month, then you're better off than if you had bought the crowns to buy it, because you just cancel your sub, and you've still got 1500 crowns to go towards the next DLC or something else.

If you decide you want to buy it, then just cancel your subscription and top up your crowns by however much you need to in order to buy the DLC.

This way will cost you slightly more than just buying crowns in bulk, but only a little more, and you have the security of knowing that you won't waste your crowns on any DLC that you don't feel is worth it.

Or even better, you skip the sub to "try" the dlc and just watch some youtube vids of the dlc instead. Then buy it if you like it. That's THE cheapest route.

Sandmanninja · March 2015

On the other hand, if you bought one can of soft drink twice a week, then your sub is paid for.

It's the best bang-for-my-buck I can think of, entertainment-wise.

Zorvan · March 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

On the other hand, if you bought one can of soft drink twice a week, then your sub is paid for.

It's the best bang-for-my-buck I can think of, entertainment-wise.

Expecting at least 6 months between expansion dlc, that's $90 for 6 months of subbing to buy expansion dlc that won't even be half that ( unless Zenimax has completely flipped their gourd.

Nope, buying as needed is the way to go.

UrQuan · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

Buying seems smarter than renting. Unless it's really really dubious DLC.

Based on the prices of crowns I don't know that I'd agree with that.

If you don't care about the other subscriber benefits (the 10% bonuses), then wait for a DLC to come out, get a 1 month subscription that comes with 1500 crowns (for the same price as buying a pack of 1500 crowns), and you've just got yourself a trial of the DLC.

If you find it's not worth buying in order to hang on to it for longer than that one month, then you're better off than if you had bought the crowns to buy it, because you just cancel your sub, and you've still got 1500 crowns to go towards the next DLC or something else.

If you decide you want to buy it, then just cancel your subscription and top up your crowns by however much you need to in order to buy the DLC.

This way will cost you slightly more than just buying crowns in bulk, but only a little more, and you have the security of knowing that you won't waste your crowns on any DLC that you don't feel is worth it.

Or even better, you skip the sub to "try" the dlc and just watch some youtube vids of the dlc instead. Then buy it if you like it. That's THE cheapest route.

If you feel watching someone else play the DLC is a good way to judge whether you'll enjoy playing it, sure. Personally I hate watching videos of other people playing games (well, unless it's somehow entertaining beyond just the gameplay: like Co-optitude), so I'd much rather try it out myself. Especially when, at worst, you'll only end up spending a couple of bucks more doing it that way, and you don't have to waste your gaming time watching someone else play. I know a lot of people don't feel like watching someone else play a game is a waste of their time, though, so if it works for you it's a good option.

UrQuan · March 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

On the other hand, if you bought one can of soft drink twice a week, then your sub is paid for.

I can pay for my sub with soft drink cans?

It's true, though, this is by far my least expensive hobby.

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

Zorvan wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

On the other hand, if you bought one can of soft drink twice a week, then your sub is paid for.

It's the best bang-for-my-buck I can think of, entertainment-wise.

Expecting at least 6 months between expansion dlc, that's $90 for 6 months of subbing to buy expansion dlc that won't even be half that ( unless Zenimax has completely flipped their gourd.

Nope, buying as needed is the way to go.

That's a bad expectation.

Even if you're just being cynical, you have to assume that ZO want to make as much money as possible and make ESO Plus an attractive option. They're going to be releasing paid DLC much more often than every 6 months once the console launch happens.

Zorvan · March 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

On the other hand, if you bought one can of soft drink twice a week, then your sub is paid for.

It's the best bang-for-my-buck I can think of, entertainment-wise.

Expecting at least 6 months between expansion dlc, that's $90 for 6 months of subbing to buy expansion dlc that won't even be half that ( unless Zenimax has completely flipped their gourd.

Nope, buying as needed is the way to go.

That's a bad expectation.

Even if you're just being cynical, you have to assume that ZO want to make as much money as possible and make ESO Plus an attractive option. They're going to be releasing paid DLC much more often than every 6 months once the console launch happens.

Actually it's an accurate expectation, as Paul Sage even said in his Reddit AMA that development will be slowing down, not picking up, as they will now be having to develop for 4 different platforms rather than just 2.

For instance, you do know they have to have EVERY patch and dlc made for Xbone/PS4 approved by MS/Sony, correct? And you do know that approval process takes weeks sometimes ( and that's even with patches/dlc that don't get sent back to ZOS for re-write ), correct?