Question about Sub and b2p

sput4ueb17_ESO · March 2015

I am a subscriber atm.
My question is if a new dlc comes out and as a subscriber i can play it , if my subscription ends after the dlc appearance would i be able to play it?
Or i have to buy it again?

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

If you subscribe to ESO Plus, your monthly fee includes access to all available DLC. If you stop subscribing, you will only have access to the DLC that you have purchased separately (since you never actually bought it under ESO Plus).

sput4ueb17_ESO · March 2015

So it is better to cancel the subscription ?

I thought that you should be able to play any content until your end of subscription,,, since you opened as a sub a new dlc

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

sput4ueb17_ESO wrote: »

So it is better to cancel the subscription ?

I thought that you should be able to play any content until your end of subscription,,,

It's better to do what you think is best for your situation.

Of course you'll continue to have access to that DLC until the end of your subscription to ESO Plus.

BigM · March 2015

Still confused about all this BS. If I pay for the month then play through the DLC then allow my sub to lapse I lose that DLC even though I played through it so to me I just paid for it. Yet they say it will be taken from me. How come I feel this isn't right, it is like my 15 a month doesn't mean shoot!

Mix · March 2015

Agreed, If subbed for a certain amount of time when a DLC is released (say a month) then we should own it.

Kragorn · March 2015

sput4ueb17_ESO wrote: »

So it is better to cancel the subscription ?

I thought that you should be able to play any content until your end of subscription,,, since you opened as a sub a new dlc

Pedantically you don't cancel your subscription, you cancel its RENEWAL so you do indeed get access to what you've already paid for until the payment expires.

BigM wrote: »

Still confused about all this BS. If I pay for the month then play through the DLC then allow my sub to lapse I lose that DLC even though I played through it so to me I just paid for it. Yet they say it will be taken from me. How come I feel this isn't right, it is like my 15 a month doesn't mean shoot!

As @nerevarine1138 said, it's entirely down to you whether you feel the 'rental' model (which is what a subscription is) suits you more than buying just the content which you require.

You get to keep any gear/items/whatever you get from the DLC you lose access to but your rent ended, you lose the key to the door.

BigM · March 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

sput4ueb17_ESO wrote: »

So it is better to cancel the subscription ?

I thought that you should be able to play any content until your end of subscription,,, since you opened as a sub a new dlc

Pedantically you don't cancel your subscription, you cancel its RENEWAL so you do indeed get access to what you've already paid for until the payment expires.

BigM wrote: »

Still confused about all this BS. If I pay for the month then play through the DLC then allow my sub to lapse I lose that DLC even though I played through it so to me I just paid for it. Yet they say it will be taken from me. How come I feel this isn't right, it is like my 15 a month doesn't mean shoot!

As @nerevarine1138 said, it's entirely down to you whether you feel the 'rental' model (which is what a subscription is) suits you more than buying just the content which you require.

You get to keep any gear/items/whatever you get from the DLC you lose access to but your rent ended, you lose the key to the door.

I disagree, we paid for that DLC through our monthly sub. So let us say you have to pay 15 or even 20 dollars for the DLC because you are not subbed. You just paid for the DLC and get it for life. Our 15 a month means less than you paying for it! I just don't get that at all. My money during the month DLC came out is just as good as yours.

sput4ueb17_ESO · March 2015

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I disagree, we paid for that DLC through our monthly sub. So let us say you have to pay 15 or even 20 dollars for the DLC because you are not subbed. You just paid for the DLC and get it for life. Our 15 a month means less than you paying for it! I just don't get that at all. My money during the month DLC came out is just as good as yours. [/quote]

I also think that this is fair perhaps if the dlc costs 30 euro then you have to have 2 months paid sub and then keep it forever

Danikat · March 2015

It's basically a more specific version of a sub-based game (like ESO was until today).

Sub based game:
Pay your sub and you can play as much (or as little) as you want. But as soon as that sub ends you lose access to the game, regardless of how much you've paid previously.

Sub based DLC:
Pay your sub and you can play all the DLC, both new and previously released, as much (or as little) as you want. But as soon as that sub ends you lose access to the DLC regardless of how much you've paid previously.

The only difference is that there is also a buy-to-play option for the DLC where you pay once and get it forever (like a b2p game).

But just like you can't expect free access to a game after you've subbed for 6 months, even though that adds up to the same/more than the box price, you can't expect free access to the DLC because you've subbed for enough months to cover the cost.

Whether it's better to sub or to buy DLC individually really depends on how much DLC there is and what it costs, which no one knows yet, plus whether you think it's worth the asking price and if you want the other benefits from a sub.

GreySix · March 2015

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

Niminion · March 2015

Remember you get $15 worth of crowns every month from subbing. You can buy the DLC with crowns? I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere. So yeah you can keep it if you subbed for a bit.

Your sub fee never is worthless, it's just converted into credit.

I honestly think this model is fantastic.

BigM · March 2015

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

Danikat · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

If you want it to work that way simply buy the DLC directly instead of subscribing.

Otherwise, as I said previously, it's like playing a sub-based game. You pay your sub and you can play for however many months that lasts. But when your sub ends you can't demand that you've now paid enough to cover the cost of the content and should be able to keep playing without paying the sub.

A subscription is always basically a rental fee. And renting it for some amount of time, even renting and using it (playing) doesn't automatically transition into ownership. Otherwise I'd have a house by now.

sput4ueb17_ESO · March 2015

Niminion wrote: »

Remember you get $15 worth of crowns every month from subbing. You can buy the DLC with crowns? I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere. So yeah you can keep it if you subbed for a bit.

Your sub fee never is worthless, it's just converted into credit.

I honestly think this model is fantastic.

ooo yes forgot about this then is ok i guess with sub.

UrQuan · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

If you couldn't buy that DLC with the crowns that you get with your sub, and if your sub didn't give you crowns at a very similar cost to buying crown packs, then you would have a point.

As it is, say you pay for 3 months of subscription at $15/month, and a DLC comes out in that time that costs 3000 crowns (which costs just under $30 to buy as a crown pack). You've spent $45 over that period, and received 4500 crowns. At the end of your subscription you haven't finished the DLC and you want to keep playing it, so you pay nothing extra and just use 3000 of your 4500 crowns to buy the DLC and own it forever.

BigM · March 2015

I guess you guys miss the point. If i just paid a sub DLC hits, I pay to play it and run it through to end. WHY should I have to pay twice on it and give them 3000 or more crowns to pay for it. Think in accounting they call that double billing!

driosketch · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

You're thinking only as a continuous subscriber who well be around as each dlc comes out. 3 dlc down the road under what you suggest, a new player could sub and buy all the dlc for a fraction of the price.

If you are looking for the best deal, per crown it goes 5500 pack, 3000 pack, 180 day sub, 90 day sub, 30 day sub/1500 pack, 750 pack. Going forward the value of a sub will only be for the 10% bonuses if you want them, or to test drive new content. 5500 is an odd number, I suspect that's what new content will be priced at.

BigM · March 2015

driosketch wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

You're thinking only as a continuous subscriber who well be around as each dlc comes out. 3 dlc down the road under what you suggest, a new player could sub and buy all the dlc for a fraction of the price.

If you are looking for the best deal, per crown it goes 5500 pack, 3000 pack, 180 day sub, 90 day sub, 30 day sub/1500 pack, 750 pack. Going forward the value of a sub will only be for the 10% bonuses if you want them, or to test drive new content. 5500 is an odd number, I suspect that's what new content will be priced at.

Exactly, I played through it then I unsub wait till next DLC sub play through it to END! So you still think I didn't pay for it only rented it? Wow my money isn't as good as yours just buying crowns.

UrQuan · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

I guess you guys miss the point. If i just paid a sub DLC hits, I pay to play it and run it through to end. WHY should I have to pay twice on it and give them 3000 or more crowns to pay for it. Think in accounting they call that double billing!

You're not paying for it twice. Unless you chose to spend your crowns from your sub on something else, ZOS only got your money once.

Basically the cost of your sub is almost identical to the cost of buying crowns. What your sub gives you is the same crowns that you would buy in order to get the DLC, except while you're subbed you can preview the DLC and decide if you actually want to spend your crowns on it when you are no longer subbed.

Aldmor13 · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

Exactly, I played through it then I unsub wait till next DLC sub play through it to END! So you still think I didn't pay for it only rented it? Wow my money isn't as good as yours just buying crowns.

But your money bought the crowns, not the DLC. If you buy pets with your crowns, you didn't buy the DLC, you bought pets. Why would they then give you the DLC when you bought pets? You get 1500 crowns for your $15, what you buy with them is up to you, if you don't buy the DLC, you don't keep it.

Dagoth_Rac · March 2015

I think the subscription model is iffy when there is no DLC. It'd be like subscribing to HBO if they had no Game of Thrones and no True Detective and no Sopranos and no Curb Your Enthusiasm, etc. In a year or two, if there are 7 or 8 DLC, getting temporary access to all of it for $15 will probably sound a lot more appealing than spending a couple hundred dollars to buy it outright.

And if you did "own" the DLC just for subscribing, how would that work? Do you own it if you are subscribed when it releases? People will just subscribe for 30 days covering the release, own it, then cancel. Do you own everything already released? So if there are 7 or 8 DLC, subscribe for 30 days, and you can download all of it and get hundreds of dollars worth of DLC for $15? Do you own it after being subscribed for a certain amount of time? Like 3 months? Well, what do you own? Just DLC released during those 3 months? All DLC? 1 DLC of your choice for every 3 months subscribed? What if some DLC is more expensive than others? Will everyone just take the most expensive DLC after 3 months?

Or you could just give subscribers some form of virtual currency every month. Call it "crowns". Let players spend it how they see fit. If owning DLC is important to them, use the crowns on DLC. If they care more about cosmetic items, let them spend the crowns on that. It simplifies a lot of things if you just give the player the virtual currency to do what they want with it.

Robbmrp · March 2015

Everyone's situation is going to vary, so you will have to decide what's best for you. For me, I have no interest in the + XP or Gold bonuses. As soon as all of my researching is done I will be cancelling my sub. Once DLC starts coming out, depending on the price of it I will probably buy it outright so that I own it and it cannot be taken away from me. Do what ever works for you

Clutch · March 2015

sput4ueb17_ESO wrote: »

So it is better to cancel the subscription ?

I thought that you should be able to play any content until your end of subscription,,, since you opened as a sub a new dlc

If they are smart about it, whether you pay for the DLC individually or continue to sub - the difference in method would be moot. They're still getting your money for new content they give to you, the player.

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Meh, wife will likely keep us subscribed just for the XP boost and access to any new DLC. Guess she figures $30 a month won't break us.

That is exactly the point, they want money coming in every month. So if a DLC comes out and it takes us 2 3 or 4 months to get thru it and we paid 15 a month to play it why isn't it ours forever, we PAID for it when we completed it.

EXACTLY what do you not understand? Because what i understand is when a person buys the DLC can play it or not it is theirs. Why isn't it ours once we play and pay through it?

You're thinking only as a continuous subscriber who well be around as each dlc comes out. 3 dlc down the road under what you suggest, a new player could sub and buy all the dlc for a fraction of the price.

If you are looking for the best deal, per crown it goes 5500 pack, 3000 pack, 180 day sub, 90 day sub, 30 day sub/1500 pack, 750 pack. Going forward the value of a sub will only be for the 10% bonuses if you want them, or to test drive new content. 5500 is an odd number, I suspect that's what new content will be priced at.

Exactly, I played through it then I unsub wait till next DLC sub play through it to END! So you still think I didn't pay for it only rented it? Wow my money isn't as good as yours just buying crowns.

1. DLC doesn't "end" in an MMO. You may clear all the quests or get bored of running the dungeons/trials that come with it. But it has no end.
2. You were paying a subscription for the monthly crown allotment, XP perks, and access to all DLC without having to pay for each individually. If you cancel that subscription, you're making a conscious choice to not have access to that DLC. If you subscribe again, you have access again. It's pretty simple.

Acrolas · March 2015

Luckily, there will be plenty of reviews online telling you which DLC you should buy and play over and over again, and which you should rent because it's more stale than petrified bread crumbs.

If good, rewarding, and engaging content is exclusive to the sub, then great. There's your reason to sub. Otherwise, just buy the content that you want to play and skip over the ones where you have to babysit King Fahara'jad cousin's sister's daughter and prevent banekin from singing Daedric lullabies that will forever stay stuck in your head.

...actually that one may be a keeper.

Bc1151 · March 2015

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