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So NOW they are looking into Trial/Dungeon and PvP XP increases...
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I'm grateful that they are looking into this finally (As stated in ESO Live), but what took so long? People have been clamoring for this for a long time. But first you decided to Nerf the only forms of real XP for a vr14 while implementing the new bugged grind machine a.k.a. The Champion System.
And ZOS also stated (in so many words) that the alliance point system is meant to be a grind. It'll be interesting to see what kind of buffs these forms of vet XP get with the thoughts that you want parts of the game to be a grind. I agree that no one should attain 3600 CP within a year, but there is a difference between a grind and a long term goal. That's why Craglorn XP should also be restored and a daily CP cap should be in place. This would meet your expectation of the CS being a long term goal, and ours to not be forced to grind more than necessary on Alts. But I'm not holding my breath.
Edited by Khaldar on March 13, 2015 9:10PM And ZOS also stated (in so many words) that the alliance point system is meant to be a grind. It'll be interesting to see what kind of buffs these forms of vet XP get with the thoughts that you want parts of the game to be a grind. I agree that no one should attain 3600 CP within a year, but there is a difference between a grind and a long term goal. That's why Craglorn XP should also be restored and a daily CP cap should be in place. This would meet your expectation of the CS being a long term goal, and ours to not be forced to grind more than necessary on Alts. But I'm not holding my breath.
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What took so long? Obvious... Champion system, Crown store and xbox/ps version.1 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭jpatek0501ub17_ESO wrote: »What took so long? Obvious... Champion system, Crown store and xbox/ps version.
Are you saying that changing a few numerical exp values behind the scenes is comparable to designing and releasing major system changes and on two new platforms?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Making the F2P transition and getting the crown tore ready gets a 10 on the priority scale. Tweaking XP gets a .5V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Khaldar✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Making the F2P transition and getting the crown tore ready gets a 10 on the priority scale. Tweaking XP gets a .5
But an unneeded Nerfing of XP (Crag) gets a 10 too (the issue was the CS was incorrectly buffing players too long)... Buffing much needed areas a .5... makes sense to me
EDIT: And they also said they were looking to make these changes possibly next week. And that means they are finally taking people's complaint about XP serious.Edited by Khaldar on March 13, 2015 11:16PM2 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Making the F2P transition and getting the crown tore ready gets a 10 on the priority scale. Tweaking XP gets a .5
Yes, but tweaking exp gets about a 1x10^-50 on the difficulty scale compared to the other things being mentioned here. As evidenced by recent hotfixes nerfing Craglorn grind spots in the ground.0 -
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✭✭I'm grateful that they are looking into this finally (As stated in ESO Live), but what took so long? People have been clamoring for this for a long time. But first you decided to Nerf the only forms of real XP for a vr14 while implementing the new bugged grind machine a.k.a. The Champion System.
And ZOS also stated (in so many words) that the alliance point system is meant to be a grind. It'll be interesting to see what kind of buffs these forms of vet XP get with the thoughts that you want parts of the game to be a grind. I agree that no one should attain 3600 CP within a year, but there is a difference between a grind and a long term goal. That's why Craglorn XP should also be restored and a daily CP cap should be in place. This would meet your expectation of the CS being a long term goal, and ours to not be forced to grind more than necessary on Alts. But I'm not holding my breath.
With PVP experience I agree, but dungeons and trials? If people are able to get most CP´s there, then I don't see how this needs a buff?
ZO should look into rewarding CP´s for one time opportunities, such as Cadwells, Story related quests, reaching 50 in skill lines etc.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jpatek0501ub17_ESO wrote: »What took so long? Obvious... Champion system, Crown store and xbox/ps version.
Are you saying that changing a few numerical exp values behind the scenes is comparable to designing and releasing major system changes and on two new platforms?
Evaluating the systems and assigning appropriate values is non-trivial. It might sound simple. "Well, just fix it." But, mindlessly cranking up numbers can result in all kinds of further more destructive issues.0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm grateful that they are looking into this finally (As stated in ESO Live), but what took so long? People have been clamoring for this for a long time. But first you decided to Nerf the only forms of real XP for a vr14 while implementing the new bugged grind machine a.k.a. The Champion System.
And ZOS also stated (in so many words) that the alliance point system is meant to be a grind. It'll be interesting to see what kind of buffs these forms of vet XP get with the thoughts that you want parts of the game to be a grind. I agree that no one should attain 3600 CP within a year, but there is a difference between a grind and a long term goal. That's why Craglorn XP should also be restored and a daily CP cap should be in place. This would meet your expectation of the CS being a long term goal, and ours to not be forced to grind more than necessary on Alts. But I'm not holding my breath.
With PVP experience I agree, but dungeons and trials? If people are able to get most CP´s there, then I don't see how this needs a buff?
ZO should look into rewarding CP´s for one time opportunities, such as Cadwells, Story related quests, reaching 50 in skill lines etc.
What are you saying -- that there is no need whatsoever to buff the absolutely abysmal XP you get from completing a dungeon run or Trial or SO but it is perfectly OK to buff it for PVP and for questing?0 -
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Are people able to get most CPs in dungeons and trials? Based on the amount of XP they give, I would have thought it would be probably the second least effective playstyle for gaining CPs (after PvP - as I don't actually PvP I could be wrong about that one).I'm grateful that they are looking into this finally (As stated in ESO Live), but what took so long? People have been clamoring for this for a long time. But first you decided to Nerf the only forms of real XP for a vr14 while implementing the new bugged grind machine a.k.a. The Champion System.
And ZOS also stated (in so many words) that the alliance point system is meant to be a grind. It'll be interesting to see what kind of buffs these forms of vet XP get with the thoughts that you want parts of the game to be a grind. I agree that no one should attain 3600 CP within a year, but there is a difference between a grind and a long term goal. That's why Craglorn XP should also be restored and a daily CP cap should be in place. This would meet your expectation of the CS being a long term goal, and ours to not be forced to grind more than necessary on Alts. But I'm not holding my breath.
With PVP experience I agree, but dungeons and trials? If people are able to get most CP´s there, then I don't see how this needs a buff?
ZO should look into rewarding CP´s for one time opportunities, such as Cadwells, Story related quests, reaching 50 in skill lines etc.
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oRioNoTime✭✭✭Is levelling an alt giving good CPs?Orio N - Nightblade Caster - DC EU - First Ruler of Auriel's Bow0 -
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At this moment the most bang for your buck so to speak is from completing Caldwell's Silver and Gold. Repeateble 4 man dungeons, trials, vet DSA, SO, PvP all give very poor XP to move you along in the CP ladder, even with enlightenment applied unfortunately. So if you have an alt in vet ranks still needing to complete Caldwells content, you can get CPs for your main quite nicely while you are at it.l.cortesieb17_ESO wrote: »Is levelling an alt giving good CPs?
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At this moment the most bang for your buck so to speak is from completing Caldwell's Silver and Gold. Repeateble 4 man dungeons, trials, vet DSA, SO, PvP all give very poor XP to move you along in the CP ladder, even with enlightenment applied unfortunately. So if you have an alt in vet ranks still needing to complete Caldwells content, you can get CPs for your main quite nicely while you are at it.l.cortesieb17_ESO wrote: »Is levelling an alt giving good CPs?
Makes me a little ansy. I feel like I need to hold me VR3 (in Caldwell's silver) to only XP when Enlightenment is up. Then it is gone really fast. I tend to park him and waste time on higher chars so as to not waste the fastest XP on grinding.0 -
Olysja✭✭✭atm is : (w/o enlight)
10pvp hours 1,5cps
10grind hours 9cps
10doung hours 5cps
and ofcourse questing is really good way for exp aswell.BUT, WHICH IS THE ESO ENDGAME?rerolling or grinding? really fix this pvp exp, or remove totally the eso trailers from the web and put in a trailer where you grind the same tard spot forever. TNXAre you a perfect russian woman? add me-> @Olysja (✿☯‿☯✿)
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oRioNoTime✭✭✭
At this moment the most bang for your buck so to speak is from completing Caldwell's Silver and Gold. Repeateble 4 man dungeons, trials, vet DSA, SO, PvP all give very poor XP to move you along in the CP ladder, even with enlightenment applied unfortunately. So if you have an alt in vet ranks still needing to complete Caldwells content, you can get CPs for your main quite nicely while you are at it.l.cortesieb17_ESO wrote: »Is levelling an alt giving good CPs?
Thanks for answering^^
Now I'll go a bit off topic, how much it takes to grind from lvl 1 to 50?Orio N - Nightblade Caster - DC EU - First Ruler of Auriel's Bow0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »jpatek0501ub17_ESO wrote: »What took so long? Obvious... Champion system, Crown store and xbox/ps version.
Are you saying that changing a few numerical exp values behind the scenes is comparable to designing and releasing major system changes and on two new platforms?
Evaluating the systems and assigning appropriate values is non-trivial. It might sound simple. "Well, just fix it." But, mindlessly cranking up numbers can result in all kinds of further more destructive issues.
Really? Because they did it almost instantly when cranking numbers down for Craglorn in a hotfix (which they didn't even have to take the servers down for). Seems pretty trivial to me. If there is any concern about negative side effects, then simply increase exp slowly in small increments to allow monitoring of the situation over a period of time.1 -
Khaldar✭✭✭l.cortesieb17_ESO wrote: »
At this moment the most bang for your buck so to speak is from completing Caldwell's Silver and Gold. Repeateble 4 man dungeons, trials, vet DSA, SO, PvP all give very poor XP to move you along in the CP ladder, even with enlightenment applied unfortunately. So if you have an alt in vet ranks still needing to complete Caldwells content, you can get CPs for your main quite nicely while you are at it.l.cortesieb17_ESO wrote: »Is levelling an alt giving good CPs?
Thanks for answering^^
Now I'll go a bit off topic, how much it takes to grind from lvl 1 to 50?
You can do it in less than 24 hours /played easily IF you have a partner.1 -
Kingdinguhling✭✭✭They Adjusted XP once back like 4 months ago so they could have done it right the first time but they missed that bus.
this is one of those things they need to sit down and figure out. I bet Consumers are falling off like skittles as they get to VR1-3 because of trying to take on all the content in the 10 VR zones(its mind numbingly boring)... this Questing grind is just aweful and incredibly unsatisfying after completeting the main story line once. I understand that the first 5 zones should be mandatory. but not the last 10 that should be solo gearing preparation for dungeons and trials.
If you need gear go do some quests. And grinding mobs or dungeons is always better in my book because at least your grouping with people. right now the biggest problem is they haven't implemented a good Grouping tool or chosen which route they want to go All quest to VR14 or let people grind dungeons or mobs. they seem to be nerfing all the grinding spots so I think that's out of the question.
I understand there are some who just really love the Lore. but come on it cant be more than 10-20% that love that much lore.
I love the story line but not the second or third version in the veteran zones. I'm so tired out and want to do PVP, dungeons and start gearing my character for trials. not spend another month lvling.1 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭They can start with linking XP rewards to daily quests. I mean this is a no-brainer any intern could calculate within a day. There is no big way to abuse this.
Completing the gold pledge? How about 200k XP for that? Another advantage would be that the horrible VR levels would be less painful.
Same can be done with daily PvP quests or writs. The quests are already there. They just need to link XP to their completion.0 -
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