In before close.
We get monkey. And they will sell another color in store, but your monkey still unique and shows your ... Well, it show nothing, you can go on ebay and buy it.

I'm sure this is getting closed, but since you asked: we are getting an allotment of Crowns for each month spent playing prior to this, as well as loyalty rewards.

Don't forget, those of us who stayed subbed for 300+ days will get the unique Senche mount.

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't forget, those of us who stayed subbed for 300+ days will get the unique sentch mount.

"stench" mount. Freaking awesome

im just sitting here waiting, starting my download again

Why it's called beta? Because it's betar than nothing.

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't forget, those of us who stayed subbed for 300+ days will get the unique Senche mount.

Ahem. Uniquely COLORED Senche Mount. Just like we'll have the uniquely COLORED monkey. I'd have been much happier with a Senche mount I could choose any of the available colors for but have it have unique armor. But... nope.

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Even the console release will still be beta since they plan on removing veteran ranks after that.

This of course is very true, in fact we have no idea when the 'real' game will be released yet.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

You'd really think this joke would have gotten old by now...

As they say, it's funny because it's true.

Fissh wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

I feel like I have been playing a paid beta for almost a year. The PC version seems to have been a massive beta test for the console version. Dont get me wrong, I love the direction the game is going but getting there has been painful at times.

Maybe ZoS can give those of us who have been here since closed Alpha (heretofore known as closed beta) would get some sort of bonus for helping them test their game for almost a year?

Welcome to MMO development. It is not that we are beta testing for consoles, it is that we are live testing a game. No amount of PTS can fully test a live environment. EVERY MMO suffers such. Golden Years (well polished) for games isn't typical until almost 2 years after launch. The live market is part of the process for polishing. I wish more people had an understanding of this and thereby had less self entitlement.

You are "entitled" to that opinion. Wish people with that opinion had an understanding that some people don't like to eat cr*p. You're right, it is in development. And some developments go a lot better than others. And even if ALL developments had their bars set at poor to bad it shouldn't be that everyone should like it because that's the new "standard".

If all roads were littered with potholes and this was "how things just are" would it not be reasonable that people wouldn't like it or would you throw out the "entitlement" comment.

That this is a paid product, and thus far ALSO with a paid subscription, that further adds fuel to people being upset.

If I bought a hammer, and it broke, and sent it back and paid for shipping, and got update 1.1 hammer, and it broke again, sent it back and paid for shipping, on and on, would it not be reasonable to say this is ridiculous or would it be, oh just take it, that's the way things are.

Why are software products so different? Because they are "complicated"?. Jet planes are complicated but they don't "release" them into service without rigorous testing or riddled with bugs... imagine that?

Some people think it's wrong when they get home after going through the drive-thru only to find their order is totally messed up. Some people think it's "normal" and "acceptable" because those poor people were "busy".

The people that think it's normal think that the people that would think it's messed up and complain are too an*l and "entitled" and need to just relax and shut up about it.

The people that think it's messed up think that the people that think it's normal are what's setting low standards in the world that it's ok and with passive attitudes like that nothing will improve.

Which is worse?

I kind of feel like a fool for supporting ZoS so strongly months ago when I actually thought they'd stick to their word and keep ESO subscription based. All credibility and trust was lost with that announcement.

Scotia wrote: »

I am confused, we did not pay to play beta for a year. If you paid beta for a year then your characters would be subject to being wiped. Your items as well. If you as players do not like the game then stop playing it. To this end many have. I believe they intended to go BTP when the console was delayed for more than 3 months and this is what happened.

I am glad the game went BTP because now I do not have to pay for it to play. Zen has incentive to bring out DLC now, because I will pay for it when it comes out. If they do not, I keep playing for free. If they do not update the game, and fix the bugs, players leave. If players leave, less players buying their DLC and less revenue for them.

IMO Zen has more pressure to succeed now than it ever did, expect them to do a better job bringing bug free content than before. Its not like you can patch every week on XBOX and PS live.

Zen has till September to do well, after that I am moving to the RVR successor. The game that should have been made long ago.

I'm not sure you fully understand the new payment system.