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PvP, shelving the stamina nightblade that I loved so much. Something is broken.

vanddalx
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I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm no master of resource management but I do have a decent idea of how my NB performed prior to 1.6. What I did worked for me. I wouldn't make a highlight reel, but I got the job done. My build and tactics were never meant for fighting a resource sustain type fight. It was hit big, hit fast and get out. The first thing that stands out to me is that fact that I can't keep stamina up anymore for a single rotation if it included any sneaking beforehand, or blocking during. About a week before 1.6 went live I started using 2h instead of DW to see how I liked Rally. Well I loved it. So my rotation became one consisting of Focused Aim, Rally (started with Ambush but since the change it just uses too much stamina), Critical Rush, Magnum Shot, Rush, Shot weaving in light attacks and so on until I could begin using Executioner or I needed to bail out. I use tri-pots extensively, well, all pots good in PvP really including detection, invisibility, and some for crit and stamina regen when needed.

My equipment is all legendary, 5 Hunding, Shadow Walker jewelry and 3 pieces of Nightshade for the sneak reduction. I have the first Legerdemain passive, 5.3% stamina recovery from the Lover and stamina reduction glyphs on two pieces of jewelry. I decided to try out 24k stamina when 1.6 dropped for no other reason than it seemed about the right proportion for what I wanted in hits and magicka.

What I've come to enjoy is being a gankers. Vampires are my main dish. Camouflage Hunter was almost always up (a stamina skill used before every fight). I like to cut off reinforcements. Get them to waste time with me or kill them outright. I'm good at kiting so I was very effective at killing someone and getting out or staying out of harms way and knowing when to bug out. I can play "in your face" but it's not my style really. I just mention this for full disclosure here. I did work on it more though since I changed to 2h. My main style in DW was Flying Blade so then I didn't have to get in too close. I did try it again just to copy exactly how I played prior to 1.6 just for an apples to apples comparison. The stamina cost of everything is just too high.

So my point is, I gave it a good shot at reducing stamina the best I could. I will add though that I'm not great at getting in a heavy attack in solo PvP. I've never seen this as a viable method of resource management because it's just too slow. I don't think this is the root of the problem though.

So what is the problem? I have no idea. Are my passives working? Is the new sneak cost too high? Is the new block cost too high for non shield users? No clue. I'm going completely off of feel here. What I did before, I cannot do now. I don't think that is a good way to change a game. I knew I'd have to update my build but this has taken me out of my game completely.

Are others experiencing the same or similar? Thanks for reading!
  • vanddalx
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    Can I not edit a post?! Anyway, I forgot to mention that I kept the new Focused Attacks, Grim Focus, up almost constantly for the stamina regen. Another note is the new spectral projectile from this skill has never fired.
  • Kuro1n
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    Yeah man I am having partly the same issues as you, made a post about it on tamriel foundry actually. The biggest issue for me however is survivability in general and that my dmg output simple isn't high enough even with 2800+ weapon damage, 28% crit and 22% armor penetration (+5000 more armor penetration from SA). If I ever get close to someone like a DK they will simply heal themselves more than I can dish out damage and just block and flame whip me to death. My resources are also running out fairly fast but with drinks it is staying somewhat okay I suppose (1491 stam regen). Really trying to figure out how to roll this thing.
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    Kuro1n wrote: »
    My resources are also running out fairly fast but with drinks it is staying somewhat okay I suppose (1491 stam regen). Really trying to figure out how to roll this thing.

    Hmm, my stamina regen is 1952 without drink, ~2529 with drink, and 3034 with stamina potion buff running...
  • Kuro1n
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    Sharee wrote: »
    Kuro1n wrote: »
    My resources are also running out fairly fast but with drinks it is staying somewhat okay I suppose (1491 stam regen). Really trying to figure out how to roll this thing.

    Hmm, my stamina regen is 1952 without drink, ~2529 with drink, and 3034 with stamina potion buff running...
    Wtf? What kind of black magic is that? Mind telling us how you did that? Are you a bosmer perhaps with lots of stam regen glyphs or something?

    I am a redguard so I have +9% stam regen at least and put all my points into mooncalf CP for extra regen so that should be an extra 6-7% or so but I am nowhere near your regen.
    Edited by Kuro1n on March 10, 2015 5:32PM
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    Kuro1n wrote: »
    Sharee wrote: »
    Kuro1n wrote: »
    My resources are also running out fairly fast but with drinks it is staying somewhat okay I suppose (1491 stam regen). Really trying to figure out how to roll this thing.

    Hmm, my stamina regen is 1952 without drink, ~2529 with drink, and 3034 with stamina potion buff running...
    Wtf? What kind of black magic is that? Mind telling us how you did that? Are you a bosmer perhaps with lots of stam regen glyphs or something?

    I am a redguard so I have +9% stam regen at least and put all my points into mooncalf CP for extra regen so that should be an extra 6-7% or so but I am nowhere near your regen.

    Redguard here as well. Nightblade, werewolf. All stamina CP in mooncalf (26). 3x stamina recovery from set bonuses. 2x stamina recovery jewelry enchant. Purple v10 drink.

    Its not the top you can get either. Set bonuses can be up to 6x regen, and if i was a bosmer...
  • Kuro1n
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    Yeah I also wish I was a bosmer, picked redguard for the stam regen and then a month later bosmer (the race I originally wanted is better suited for the task). QQ

    I am pretty much the same setup as you are... NB WW mooncalf, just not a lot of stam regen bonuses I suppose.
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