I can fix PvP. I have the technology.

PeggymoeXD · March 2015

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

Panda244 · March 2015

I'd give you a trophy if this hadn't already been suggested by a dozen people in a dozen other threads... You get a

instead.

PeggymoeXD · March 2015

@Panda244 a cookie will suffice. Thanks.

Panda244 · March 2015

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@Panda244 a cookie will suffice. Thanks.

No pruhblem Dear Leader.

yodased · March 2015

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

Panda244 · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

yodased · March 2015

@Panda244 Well as they say. 500 bad apples ruin the 5 that did it legit.

Compare actually won Emps to farmed emps an ehrmaghad the ratio.

You guys gotta accept that people effed it for you. Take it up with them.

Huntler · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

I've suggested this or make the former emp passives open up at a certain alliance rank level say 30 or something. Less incentive to exploit/farm your way to emp just for the passives.

Weberda · March 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.

Panda244 wrote: »

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yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

Panda244 · March 2015

Weberda wrote: »

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PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.
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Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

In truth I'd let it happen with little complaining... But the 5% Ultimate Reduction is nice

The other passives are to *** to matter really.

Weberda · March 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

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Weberda wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.

Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

In truth I'd let it happen with little complaining... But the 5% Ultimate Reduction is nice
The other passives are to *** to matter really.

That's what I thought. I know you're not a very selfish player. Besides the change (if they made one) probably would not be retroactive.

eventide03b14a_ESO · March 2015

Weberda wrote: »

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PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.
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Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

Wouldn't it be great to play an MMO without scripted bosses. Maybe have them a bit unpredictable and not just set on timers?

Panda244 · March 2015

Weberda wrote: »

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Panda244 wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.

Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

In truth I'd let it happen with little complaining... But the 5% Ultimate Reduction is nice
The other passives are to *** to matter really.

That's what I thought. I know you're not a very selfish player. Besides the change (if they made one) probably would not be retroactive.

If they did change this I would stop at nothing crushing every AD under foot in my weeks off from work in order to get Emperor again, just so I could dilly dally Sap Tank for *** n giggles

Edit: [snip] ZOS! [snip] Isn't a [snip] swear word!?!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Weberda · March 2015

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

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Weberda wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.

Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

Wouldn't it be great to play an MMO without scripted bosses. Maybe have them a bit unpredictable and not just set on timers?

That's what I find most enjoyable about PVP. The other player certainly isn't on a timer (unless he's married w/kids) and about the only predictable thing is that he probably has a buddy hiding nearby.

Panda244 · March 2015

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eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Remove PvP buffs from PvE. If you suck too much to be able to do dungeons with out owning an entire server, re-think your build.

There, I don't need a giant check but I'll take a trohpy.

I think the issue is a lot of players want to be able to do a dungeon run 10 seconds faster than the other guy. I don't understand that. They go to great lengths to document each move a boss will make so that each run is basically a repeat of the previous one.......BORING!. Do something challenging.....try ganking Panda244.

Panda244 wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Remove former emp buffs as well. Make it a title only. Then no farmy mc farm farm and no buff servers.

The only people that will be in PvP are those that want the skills and those that enjoy it.

@yodased I can't deny the fact that this would work.... But it's a slap in the face to everyone that's gotten it fairly... Like Peggy, Me, and a few others

So for the sake of the game there are sacrifices you are not willing to make, correct Panda?

Wouldn't it be great to play an MMO without scripted bosses. Maybe have them a bit unpredictable and not just set on timers?

That's what I find most enjoyable about PVP. The other player certainly isn't on a timer (unless he's married w/kids) and about the only predictable thing is that he probably has a buddy hiding nearby.

I'm not predictable when I play my DK... When I play Nutella... Well expect me to run in and distract you until you all die or I die. When I play my DK I do all sorts of nonsensical things

Observant · March 2015

@PeggymoeXD Reported for shaming .

In all seriousness though Peggeh, talk to other EP guilds to coordinate and put the D back in AD.

Friggen A's and their need for the D.

@Darklord_Tiberius @Rylana @xylena
Help EP out in Haderus tonight?

Panda244 · March 2015

Observant wrote: »

@PeggymoeXD Reported for shaming .

In all seriousness though Peggeh, talk to other EP guilds to coordinate and put the D back in AD.

Friggen A's and their need for the D.

@Darklord_Tiberius @Rylana @xylena
Help EP out in Haderus tonight?

@Observant yell at Crystalized and tell him Panda wants him to faceroll the AD on Haderus

He may or may not listen, but meh. xD

Observant · March 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

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Observant wrote: »

@PeggymoeXD Reported for shaming .

In all seriousness though Peggeh, talk to other EP guilds to coordinate and put the D back in AD.

Friggen A's and their need for the D.

@Darklord_Tiberius @Rylana @xylena
Help EP out in Haderus tonight?

@Observant yell at Crystalized and tell him Panda wants him to faceroll the AD on Haderus He may or may not listen, but meh. xD

I'll pop in IR TS tonight and tell him

Might be best to keep them away from Haderus for a while though while the dust settles from the emp flipping

Sallington · March 2015

Why did they think PvE buffs from PvP would be a good idea in the first place? You can already get decent gear from AP. That should be PvE incentive enough.

Weberda · March 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Why did they think PvE buffs from PvP would be a good idea in the first place? You can already get decent gear from AP. That should be PvE incentive enough.

Their reply would probably be something akin to"well, it sounded good at the time".

yodased · March 2015

Yeah IR going into Haderus would figuratively put people into meltdown mode.

Want to see some rage? Put those *** back there.

Weberda · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

Yeah IR going into Haderus would figuratively put people into meltdown mode.

Want to see some rage? Put those *** back there.

Doesn't really matter much anymore. There are so many things wrong with PvP it's almost senseless to go in. And just rolling a bunch keeps over a couple of hours and then leaving isn't really in the spirit of the game. It's about taking and holding. But then again, except on Thorn, pretty much nobody cares about the actual campaign scoring anymore.

PeggymoeXD · March 2015

Yeah, I earned my Emperorship the right way, and yeah it would kinda suck to lose the buffs. But if it means real PvP, less flipping, and some other campaigns actually becoming competitive, it's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make. Plus like @Panda244 said the only significant passive would be the reduced ult cost. And its really not that significant.

PvP is literally a wasteland just begging for ZOS' attention.

Panda244 · March 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Yeah, I earned my Emperorship the right way, and yeah it would kinda suck to lose the buffs. But if it means real PvP, less flipping, and some other campaigns actually becoming competitive, it's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make. Plus like @Panda244 said the only significant passive would be the reduced ult cost. And its really not that significant.

PvP is literally a wasteland just begging for ZOS' attention.

It'll always be a wasteland, at least until Console Release when they have to start fixing it...

Edit: 5% Ult Reduction is significant, that plus Dominion's Potentate brings Banana Banner down to 212 Ult instead of 250, without the 5% it's only 225, that's an entire SECOND. More, that I have to wait for Banana Banner to be up!

Complete sarcasm for you sods that don't know

Rune_Relic · March 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

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PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Yeah, I earned my Emperorship the right way, and yeah it would kinda suck to lose the buffs. But if it means real PvP, less flipping, and some other campaigns actually becoming competitive, it's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to make. Plus like @Panda244 said the only significant passive would be the reduced ult cost. And its really not that significant.

PvP is literally a wasteland just begging for ZOS' attention.

It'll always be a wasteland, at least until Console Release when they have to start fixing it...

Alas....they need to fix it before console or feel the backlash.
Probably 0 lag on the console version while the PC version just powerpoints.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

ZOS did a tremendously horrible job with the PvP buff idea and the PvP servers. Ideas are always great when thought of, but actually implementing them and making something good is another story. For the amount of money they pay some of their developers and designers it is rather pathetic with what they have given us for PvP in this game. The ideas this community has come up with are by far better than anything they have come up with and we do not get paid. We pay them to play this game.

Dont get me wrong, the actual Player verse Player is great, the combat; the best I have experienced and probably the most fun. However, with that, they need a PvP system that is productive and promotes an environment for people to want to PvP other than just "buffs" or "gear".

This entire game is based upon the idea of an "alliance" war, 3 factions battling each other for the end goal of taking the seat of Cyrodiil; The Imperial City. However, I hardly get that feel from Cyrodiil, not even close. They need to rethink how the overall zone affects the world because if it is a battle front and all alliances are suppose to be sending all resources to Cyrodiil for the war effort, the game in all zones needs to reflect this. At its current state, Cyrodiil is a zone of fighting separate from the rest of the game other than people getting some "buffs". It is pathetic.

Many games have good examples of how to incorporate PvP into the overall experience of the game, one example comes to mind. My long lost love:

Guild Wars: Factions- If anyone has ever played the factions expansion for the original guild wars, you already know what I am talking about. The two fighting factions were Luxon and Kurzick; I of course was part of the Luxon Alliance because one could never go wrong with giant turtles to ride! The reason I bring this up is because as your faction "gained" ground, guilds in those two factions could claim ownership of a city, the NPCs in those cities would change to the corresponding alliance owner. When the city was lost, it would change to the other side and a guild within that alliance could claim it for them. Depending on what cities were owned, it was connected to what PvE zones players in those factions could play in. They also had Elite endgame content zones in both capitals that could only be entered depending on the state of the overall war effort (Hall of Heroes). @ZOS_BrianWheeler if you want people to PvP you need to implement an active reason for them to PvP rather than these pointless passive buffs that lack a lot of luster.

This game has a heavy focus on the Alliance War, it needs to be reflected in the PvE zones other than passive buffs that really do not encourage people to play PvP, but rather to zerg a map in roughly 30 minutes to make it one color.

We PvP in Chillrend anymore because Haderus is dead. The first two months we went to Haderus, December/January, were awesome. However, towards the end we got tired of nobody on EP other than small groups trying to help and against a locked pop, its a bit impossible to fight outnumbered 5 to 1. All I see are people crying non-stop about the lag in Thornblade and I am sick of it. Join another PvP server and spread the population out, I promise you most of your "lag" problems will be solved. But alas people are lazy and bad PvPers, so they rather stay with the zergs. For the deniers that it wont fix the lag, the last glorious battle we had on Haderius was a 3+ hour defense of BRK from the AD zerg. Inner front door and both inner posterns broken down 4-5 times each and the outer wall alone had 4-5 breaches. The lag was not bad until the very end when the entire AD zerg charged the top of the inner keep. The last time I have seen a battle like that was on Wabbajack cycle 1. Thornblade wouldnt have been able to handle 10 minutes of that fight let alone 3+ hours. Change PvP servers and stop whining, it is getting so old.

I am just glad this game goes free to play for those of us that already bought it, because honestly, what is the reason to sub anymore? I still have not receive my mask of cheerful slaughter even though I have been playing since Beta and been subbed non stop to this point. My ticket on the matter is still unanswered after a week. This post will probably go unread like so many others, but its worth a shot right? lol.

Oh yea and not sorry for the wall of text.

PeggymoeXD · March 2015

The first two months we went to Haderus, December/January, were awesome. However, towards the end we got tired of nobody on EP other than small groups trying to help and against a locked pop, its a bit impossible to fight outnumbered 5 to 1. All I see are people crying non-stop about the lag in Thornblade and I am sick of it. Join another PvP server and spread the population out, I promise you most of your "lag" problems will be solved. But alas people are lazy and bad PvPers, so they rather stay with the zergs. For the deniers that it wont fix the lag, the last glorious battle we had on Haderius was a 3+ hour defense of BRK from the AD zerg. Inner front door and both inner posterns broken down 4-5 times each and the outer wall alone had 4-5 breaches. The lag was not bad until the very end when the entire AD zerg charged the top of the inner keep. The last time I have seen a battle like that was on Wabbajack cycle 1. Thornblade wouldnt have been able to handle 10 minutes of that fight let alone 3+ hours. Change PvP servers and stop whining, it is getting so old.

^^^^^^^^^ Every single word in this segment.

I hate Thornblade so much, because of the lag. Unfortunately, I'm a player who does like to take part in real PvP. So I've been trying over the past few weeks to make dead campaigns competitive. But I don't have the numbers even if my whole guild joins me in the fight. Why EP is so stuck on ONLY homing in TB is beyond me. Medium/Small scale battle involves so much more skill and is so much more rewarding when you stand over the dead bodies of an enemy faction.

When the game first released, my guild and I homed in Chrysamere where we were outnumbered by DC every single day. We were forced to become efficient and teach ourselves tactics that involve skill beyond bunching up into a group and spamming aoe's. Sometimes we would wipe, but sometimes we would emerge victorious regardless of how unfair the DC to EP ratio was. And that was the most fun I've EVER had in PvP. It's what hooked me on ESO. The frickin PvP. So once Chrysamere fell because of the rise of emp swapping, it's been the never-ending search for a competitive campaign with a balanced number of players. I'm coming to the realization that this search will indeed, never end. Because with absolutely no attention from the devs, and guilds refusing to branch out to campaigns other than Thornblade, PvP will rot in the gutter. The degradation of Cyrodiil has already begun and will continue until all that's left of the PvP community is nothing but PvE'ers who need buffs. At this point I'm wondering if concepts such as the Imperial City would even change Cyrodiil for the better.

This is by far the longest I've stuck with an MMO. I played SWTOR, WoW, GW2 and just recently picked up FFXIV. And to be quite honest, I have a lot of fun with Final Fantasy. The PvP (gameplay-wise) compared to ESO is garbage. Maybe some people enjoy that type of fighting style, but I feel like ESO involves more skill. But other than that, I've found myself raging in ESO because of this PvP crap, and falling back on FFXIV or even freaking minecraft at times. MINECRAFT ZOS.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler fix pvp. Fix it.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

How about getting the Alliance war back into Cyrodiil or Cyrodiil back into the Alliance war?? If a specific alliance is way to strong, where are our Pact NPC Champions? Where is our king? How awesome would it be, that if a faction was pushed back to their home gates, your faction LEADER would enter the battlefield with a massive NPC army that would support the Player army so they could actually take things back. Ideas like this are not hard to think of and though it may take time to code, it would add more dynamic to Cyrodiil. THIS GAME IS AN ALLIANCE WAR, WERE ARE THE ALLIANCES!?!?!?! ZOS take a lesson from Blizzard and WOW, see how they have NPCs interact with their players in PvP, its a rather simple idea....

Panda244 · March 2015

@Darklord_Tiberius couldn't have said it better myself, as for your post @PeggymoeXD I agree. I didn't start PvPing until I was Veteran Rank 14 on my Nightblade, and I hopped in Haderus during the last few days of the reign of Sura, it was small PvP combat, well away from the blobs that call themselves PvPers on Thornlag. It was fun, for a time, then it became increasingly boring because EP was so heavily outnumbered and DC was dead. Not dying. Dead. So I left Haderus and jumped in Chillrend, who did I leave with? Absolutely no one. Nada. I PvP'd against the Chillrend wankers during the reign of Kamikazi, and don't get me wrong, I actually liked them, we fought, we talked, we dueled from time to time, wankers is just what I call them for PvPing on their buff server

But I was outnumbered. All. The time. I was almost always the only AD in Chillrend when I played there, there were a few pugs running about, and sometimes a small group of experienced people. I actually remember, multiple times during my time in Chillrend, riding my horse up to Sejanus, or The Gate of Chim, just to PvP side-by-side next to the EP group. Was the best week of my life for PvP, about two weeks after I started in Chillrend I met Stauffenburgh and started PvPing with Meat, and we were almost always in Azura's Star when it was EPs buff server, that was the best PvP I had ever participated in. Ever. Templar Nation OP. But we were mostly outnumbered, or equally engaged, never were there blobs or lag. Then Azura's Star became AD's new buff server because Haderus was overwhelmed by the EP horde for a few days, now Haderus seems like it's back to it's very old self, AD owns it all, EP is stuck at the gate and outnumbered. Chillrend sounds competitive, but it also sounds laggy and blobby from the forums... So when I get my PC either tomorrow or Thursday I seriously have no idea what I'm going to do once ESO is done installing... Haderus is dead, Azura's Star is AD's second buff server, Chillrend and Thornblade sound like the fights are to large for my liking.

Weberda · March 2015

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@Darklord_Tiberius couldn't have said it better myself, as for your post @PeggymoeXD I agree. I didn't start PvPing until I was Veteran Rank 14 on my Nightblade, and I hopped in Haderus during the last few days of the reign of Sura, it was small PvP combat, well away from the blobs that call themselves PvPers on Thornlag. It was fun, for a time, then it became increasingly boring because EP was so heavily outnumbered and DC was dead. Not dying. Dead. So I left Haderus and jumped in Chillrend, who did I leave with? Absolutely no one. Nada. I PvP'd against the Chillrend wankers during the reign of Kamikazi, and don't get me wrong, I actually liked them, we fought, we talked, we dueled from time to time, wankers is just what I call them for PvPing on their buff server

But I was outnumbered. All. The time. I was almost always the only AD in Chillrend when I played there, there were a few pugs running about, and sometimes a small group of experienced people. I actually remember, multiple times during my time in Chillrend, riding my horse up to Sejanus, or The Gate of Chim, just to PvP side-by-side next to the EP group. Was the best week of my life for PvP, about two weeks after I started in Chillrend I met Stauffenburgh and started PvPing with Meat, and we were almost always in Azura's Star when it was EPs buff server, that was the best PvP I had ever participated in. Ever. Templar Nation OP. But we were mostly outnumbered, or equally engaged, never were there blobs or lag. Then Azura's Star became AD's new buff server because Haderus was overwhelmed by the EP horde for a few days, now Haderus seems like it's back to it's very old self, AD owns it all, EP is stuck at the gate and outnumbered. Chillrend sounds competitive, but it also sounds laggy and blobby from the forums... So when I get my PC either tomorrow or Thursday I seriously have no idea what I'm going to do once ESO is done installing... Haderus is dead, Azura's Star is AD's second buff server, Chillrend and Thornblade sound like the fights are to large for my liking.

The performance issues will continue to exist anytime medium to large numbers of players gather. However the conditions on Chill are much better than Thorn by far and that includes the combat. Many of the EP players from Haderus have moved in and gradually DC is getting quite a fight for the server. We don't have enough players to cover all the campaigns outside of Thorn so tactically it would benefit EP to concentrate on a single campaign if as Darkload mentions the alliance war is the primary focus.

And Peggymoe as to why so many insist on homing on Thorn I can only attribute to being a lemming.

Xexpo · March 2015

Is this a necro thread?
Can't find the time stamps on these new forums.