Bows are too weak in PvP.

Roechacca · March 2015

Yes quadruple Bow damage . More bows . More Snipe crit . Bring back the love to Bow .

jelliedsoup · March 2015

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

cant believe someone is actually complaining that they cant 1 shot whoever they want with snipe any more. god forbid you actually have to pvp and not snipe, vanish and run away

lol try 23 shotting someone.

What does pvp means to you flappy flap, invasion, talons and whips?

Panda244 · March 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

cant believe someone is actually complaining that they cant 1 shot whoever they want with snipe any more. god forbid you actually have to pvp and not snipe, vanish and run away

lol try 23 shotting someone.

What does pvp means to you flappy flap, invasion, talons and whips?

It means you're using skills, that are good, in order to achieve an effective and productive outcome. Shall I continue?

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2015

/Sarcasm

Oh no snipe and morphs got nerfed we all need to ignore bugs, the war, and threat to Tamerial and march at ZoS to undo this horrid mistake.

RedTalon · March 2015

I'm doing fine against people in light armor with snip, heavy armor makes it a little more tricky..

Sav72 · March 2015

forget snipe. a heavy attack does more damage

mfrd36nrb18_ESO · March 2015

Yeah, I agree, must have been a tank with a great mitigation gear. I have a Templar stamina build and I can get like 15k easily, with rally up and a personal gear combination. And IMHO I think hawk's eye set is good for its cost reduction only, and Morag Tong isn't either the best set for an Archer right now. And another thing, Archer's mind set is Crap right now too, you lose too much weapon power with it and its weapon critical doesn't counter that loss. I could snipe for like 1.7k on 1.5 with it and on 1.6 I tested it with crafted bow and the covenant bow with its ring and doesn't even get close to my final set that I'm using today. This reply was just a heads-up on some testing I did, I hope they work for those who are still trying to get a good and kick and Archer gear

technohic · March 2015

Sav72 wrote: »

forget snipe. a heavy attack does more damage

Not alone. But the fact you can pull a heavy then a venom arrow to let it go and hit at the same, time; yes.

mfrd36nrb18_ESO · March 2015

Sav72 wrote: »

forget snipe. a heavy attack does more damage

So true, try sneak, Rally and Wrecking blow someone from behind, that's a monstruos one shot. I know it's too difficult to achieve but man! you will surprise someone standing there reading

LtCrunch · March 2015

technohic wrote: »

Snipe should go back to a longer cast and range minimum making it just a situational ability more like you would expect, as an opener.

Venom arrow is fine as an interrupt or execute (of sorts)

Volley and arrow spray should be combined to a single AOE ability

Scatter shot is fine for the KB utility

Then there needs to be a more bread and butter utility that is just damage. Maybe a rapid fire of sorts.

I've been saying these same exact same things for months now. Snipe should go back to being a more situational hard hitting skill and then they should bring in a rapid fire type ability(make it the bow equivalent of flurry).

LtCrunch · March 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

imagine the qq threads if zos ever nerfed dks.

ok you win dk it is.

You mean like they did in this update?

Galalin · March 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

cant believe someone is actually complaining that they cant 1 shot whoever they want with snipe any more. god forbid you actually have to pvp and not snipe, vanish and run away

lol try 23 shotting someone.

What does pvp means to you flappy flap, invasion, talons and whips?

I see your logic now... replacing 1 skill (snipe) with 4 skills is poor game play.

I have seen the light.... and it is named JESUS BEAM!!!

DK SCRUB OUT

jelliedsoup · March 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

cant believe someone is actually complaining that they cant 1 shot whoever they want with snipe any more. god forbid you actually have to pvp and not snipe, vanish and run away

lol try 23 shotting someone.

What does pvp means to you flappy flap, invasion, talons and whips?

It means you're using skills, that are good, in order to achieve an effective and productive outcome. Shall I continue?

It depends if you want to demonstrate that you understand what is being said, but by all means..continue.

blabafat · March 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

yes my bad 7k crit. With the level of mitagation and healing in this game the snipe skill is just like saying "here i am". absorb/ reflect and them bolt/invade to me while im trying to use dark cloak to get away.

all in all it makes the nb stam bow build very boring and weak, the one saving grace is 2h or i wouldn't have a chance at all.

Right. So this is implying that you dark cloak to get away because you couldn't 1 shot the person, and you are complaining because of it.

Bows got buffed in 1.5, you had your time. Now they got brought back down, and you cannot 1 shot someone instantly.

Alphashado · March 2015

Sadly the bow has been balanced for stealth>burst damage and PvP overall, while it absolutely sucks for sustained PvE DPS.

jelliedsoup · March 2015

blabafat wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

yes my bad 7k crit. With the level of mitagation and healing in this game the snipe skill is just like saying "here i am". absorb/ reflect and them bolt/invade to me while im trying to use dark cloak to get away.

all in all it makes the nb stam bow build very boring and weak, the one saving grace is 2h or i wouldn't have a chance at all.

Right. So this is implying that you dark cloak to get away because you couldn't 1 shot the person, and you are complaining because of it.

Bows got buffed in 1.5, you had your time. Now they got brought back down, and you cannot 1 shot someone instantly.

No, you just want it to appear that way so you feel justified in your view. Keep bashing those straw-men down...

Draxys · March 2015

hahahaha really dude? You seriously can't complain about a skill line with an ability that hits hard, has a heal debuff, stuns, and does all that from the biggest range in the game.

ZRage · March 2015

Been playing non veteran for couple days, and I must say that bow diminishes at veteran ranks greatly, It's just when people get so much healing per sec and every bit of burst is so much important and bow isn't good for that. I'd would be cool if snipe had it's range a bit nerfed and damage or casting time improved.

Anyway I hate reflective scale mechanic so much I would never go with bow as my main wep never in PvP, too usless against DK

Ragefist · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

Oh he said 7k crit.. not 7000k.
I get it now.. was wondering wth he was talking about.

7000k crit would be enough to split tamriel in half.

Pankratosword technique that Redguards used to split atomos in half? It did destroy Yokuda

Yea, for non-lore fans, we do have nuclear weapons in ESO

TehMagnus · March 2015

You're just bad, I got 2shot multiple times with bow in PVP yesterday

darkrozes_rob16_ESO · March 2015

Bows are doing fine, i get killed by snipes all over. We don't want another unnecessary buffs. Go cry in your bedroom pls, not here

Driade · March 2015

As a magicka V14 sorc, I would say just L2P.
After two days of intensive PvP, I know that there are bow builds capable of killing me easily.
The problem I see with majority of bow users is once they could not one shot someone, they just try to run away.
I mean, what the heck? If you try to run away, you : 1)let me heal and fully shield stack, 2) while running away you spam your roll dodge and cloak. Well good luck against my 40s detection potion and streak. I will just wait till you run out of resources and get a free kill.

I dont know how is bow dmg in PvE as I did not try that yet...

regards,

Driade

Rune_Relic · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

Oh he said 7k crit.. not 7000k.
I get it now.. was wondering wth he was talking about.

7000k crit would be enough to split tamriel in half.

Thanks for that ...made my day.
lmao.

Varicite · March 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

/Sarcasm

Oh no snipe and morphs got nerfed we all need to ignore bugs, the war, and threat to Tamerial and march at ZoS to undo this horrid mistake.

Or we could just add it to the ongoing list.

/shrug

Siluen · March 2015

I do not think bows deal too little damage in PvP, but I really dislike how snipe-centric it has become. I would love some more variety in the bow skill-line because merely sniping someone down before they even know where it came from is not something I find interesting to do. It had an interesting place in siege battles once, but now it feels a bit like it is all the bow is good for, and that is a bummer for a really awesome weapon.

I have seen others suggest some sort of rapid fire skill, which I think could be cool. Or perhaps some more utility in the form of a pinning shot (a short stun). Just some things that would not buff the damage of bows per say, but would make them more interesting and worthwhile.

jelliedsoup · March 2015

Ok so after more testing I can hit 10-12k in PvP if my weapon damage is 2400 and stamina is 26k. This is critting from stealth so is not exactly op. I was hoping for radiant destruction type DMG. I got hit for 20k yesterday. Oh well.

Rune_Relic · March 2015

Siluen wrote: »

I do not think bows deal too little damage in PvP, but I really dislike how snipe-centric it has become. I would love some more variety in the bow skill-line because merely sniping someone down before they even know where it came from is not something I find interesting to do. It had an interesting place in siege battles once, but now it feels a bit like it is all the bow is good for, and that is a bummer for a really awesome weapon.

I have seen others suggest some sort of rapid fire skill, which I think could be cool. Or perhaps some more utility in the form of a pinning shot (a short stun). Just some things that would not buff the damage of bows per say, but would make them more interesting and worthwhile.

You have an interrupt and my favourite....aoe stun/cripple with bombard.
Bombard is abolutely awesome on PVE against mobs [just wait there why I fetch a cup of tea combat].
Pity it never worked in PVP like talons did.
Magnum shot is a life saver on bosses who cant be knocked back..so you get knocked away [bugged in 1.6].
I love the bow skills
Scorched earth + bombard is always fun.