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What are you eso?

Thechemicals
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You change your mind like a girl changes clothes. Im trying to not think about what you will be like in a year because its a scary and "time to move on feeling" i get. I remember when Wildstar came out all my friends laughed at how cartoony it was and said eso is the best mmo out and i believed it. Eso does look realistic and the new update has that cool stealth and yes i love using the god laser....but all the same problems in a new system still exist. I always felt the game was clunky and just unattractive to play, but i played on because its elder scrolls and the community we have here. You have a lot of work to do with scaling this game properly and ontop of that, you have the work from before that still needs fixing, and ontop of that youll need to scale the newer system of champion as well. I dont see you doing that as an f2p in any reasonable time and this game will always carry too many problems, it has always had for years to come.

The veteran community in eso is and will always be your last and most loyal customers. I am upset that i cant be one of those veteran loyalist anymore, but i am certain you will have a strong base at least until the console is released and players see your marketing plan differences between con/pc. I have been in many community voice chatrooms for DC and AD since this game was released, and i noticed something interesting, many of these players are here for there friends first and eso second. Its like going to the beach with a football, you are there with your friends but will play ball as a secondary form of fun. Eso is the football. I believe you unkowingly brought many many people together into these rooms and for the future you should focus on building on that. Give people more identity with there friends and im sure youll keep this game up. Otherwise you are going to sink mid 2016, projected based on the competition you have coming by the mid/end of that year. You possibly have an additional year now that the lead designer of EQ next has been booted and the game may not come out or worse... comes out as a corporate greed mongering machine.

I downloaded and played Wildstar and the secret world about a week ago and both games are overrall superior to eso in everything but graphics and brand name. The elder scrolls franshise and the developer name it carries is what stabilizes your player base into staying, in somewhat of a facade fashion. You dont have any more power in keeping this game alive with your powerhouse brand franchise than most other mmos. I did not initially intend to come here to the forums and mention these things when i had unsubbed back in January and then resubbed again like an idiot thinking you had something special coming. I am an upset customer and the human thing to do is try and leave some form of comment to release that disapointed feeling. I played this game since release and learned the classes and learned everything about the game. Now you do a complete overhaul and you did it poorly. I look at my characters and ask "what are you", then after a a while i looked at eso and realized you will never know what you want to be so long as you market for all the wrong factors. You are holding content and timing resources/fixes and making changes based on your f2p model and your console aims. You will always make decisions based on those factors and for this reason plus+you simply dont have the skills in your team needed to make this game fluid and playable (interface and game scaling wise), you will dissapoint players over and over. I dont want to be part of that anymore, i just want to have fun. This game is not fun.

I couldnt stay in TSW because the player base is too small, but i am playing wildstar now. At first i felt like such a fake after having said so many negative things about it. The game really does have an appeal to it when you see the difference in clunky eso versus the fluid movements of wildstar. The game is a cartoon but what i learned about it is; that its because it doesnt take itself serious, its just trying to have fun in an exciting fashion. I believe eso takes itself too serious because of the franchise history, so you lack the ability to create fun events for holidays and do wild and exciting things. In some ways, the community has followed suit with you or maybe you just attracted very serious and uninteresting people. The kind who are shelled up in rp elitism and the kind who farm alliance points in cyrodiil all day with tailored made groups using players for specific builds and blob effects. Its little things like a feature that gives someone emperorship that drives players to be this machinist and impersonable. You never equalized this with something fun for those who want to really have fun. You made more trials instead and put a timer for competition, something that the elite guilds here on the forums have been blatantly observed creating drama and fighting about regularly. These type of features are not unique to mmo's..but eso has had a way of making it uncomfortable when everyone thinks they are at war with eachother, even allies. Those of you who are pvp guild leaders and officers know exactly what im talking about when you spend so much time downing fellow ally players and their guilds in order to promote your own guilds and give yourselves identity. You arent to blame, eso never gave you a reason to actually like anyone, even your own faction.

The good news is that lesser mmos have failed and are still around today. Only a few have actually completely closed their doors. The bad news is that this game cant afford a smaller player base. Its built to big for it, especially cyrodiil. Imagine a supermetropolis city built and only housing a few thousand people. This is already happening right now and has been for quite a long time. Eso has put out so much in a year in sloppy fashion, craglorn and its populace is a good example of my point. The game never had a big suscriber base and i dont think the console market is going to bite the way zeni is hoping. Anyway, thanks again for the stealth and the god laser and making Dk squishy. You made my templar happy for 5 minutes and my Dk...well lets not talk about DK lol. Wildstar until eq next until black desert or bust.

Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h

Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
Daggerfall Covenant

  • McLukos
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    Well put. I have already given up, I dont understand why i continue checking the forum... hope I guess.
  • Roechacca
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    Cash stores keep a lot of games around past their expiration date . It's a life support system . TSW really messed up at launch with their AvAvA . Many left from the imbalance .
  • yodased
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    Tl:DR We understand people leave eso, but don't allow goodbye threads. lots of typing to say you are leaving game etc etc etc.

    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • AshySamurai
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    In before close.
    Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!
  • Gidorick
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    I can't say you're wrong the only reason I ever gave ESO a second glance is it is a MMO set in Tamriel. Without TES, this game wouldn't survive. I'd be playing something else.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • AshySamurai
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    I can't say you're wrong the only reason I ever gave ESO a second glance is it is a MMO set in Tamriel. Without TES, this game wouldn't survive. I'd be playing something else.

    I think it's true for most players. It's firstly an Elder Scrolls game.
    Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!
  • Sphinx2318
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    in b4 close
  • GreySix
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    Good thing I've got no veteran characters, even though I've been playing on and off since beta and early release.

    Game's still fun to me. Won't play it, once I find it's not.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • SexyVette07
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    Well said. I think a lot of players feel the same way. It's not that the game lost its luster, it never had it in the first place. I don't know why I'm here either. I should have just stayed unsubbed. Until 1.6 hit, the game was almost exactly the same as it was when I left 6 months prior.

    It never ceases to amaze me how poor programming has become acceptable in this day and age.
  • Gidorick
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Good thing I've got no veteran characters, even though I've been playing on and off since beta and early release.

    Game's still fun to me. Won't play it, once I find it's not.

    Hey me neither. Level 40 is my max character.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • WraithAzraiel
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    Ok unless any DRASTIC changes have been made to Wildstar, keep leveling til you get to max and you hit that Attunement wall. You'll come SCREAMING back to ESO, singing it's praises and worshiping the ground it walks on.
    Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade

    Captain of the Black Howling

    "There's no such thing as overkill..."

    "No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."

    P2PBetaTesters
    #Tamriel_BETA_Team
    #BETA_TESTER4LYF
    DominionMasterRace
    #GOAHEADTHEYGOTCANDY
    #SEEMSLEGIT
  • phreatophile
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    Agreed.

    If not for being set in Tamriel, a lot of us would not be here.

    It may be through a glass darkly Elder Scrolls, but it's still got enough Elder Scrolls to keep me a while longer.

    Looking forward to my other single player favorite: The Witcher 3
  • Bane_of_Fringe
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    More or less just a bb thread, calling ESO a boring uninteresting game, and stating that anybody who supports the game or enjoys "boring and uninteresting."
    In some ways, the community has followed suit with you or maybe you just attracted very serious and uninteresting people. The kind who are shelled up in rp elitism and the kind who farm alliance points in cyrodiil all day with tailored made groups using players for specific builds and blob effects.


    You also made a claim calling ESO clunky and unattractive to play, without ever expounding on the subject. However, you did state some of the things you enjoyed, like firing that "god laser". Then later on in the post, you complained about how we didn't have Christmas for you to celebrate. You patronize competition and then try and blame Zenimax Online for the drama players have ingame? Now it just seems like a sh*tpost.

    Heck, every bb post more or less was.^
    Characters:
    Bane of Fringe Vr-14
    Casts as Hatchling Vr-5
    Shinobu-chan Vr-1
    Holo the Wise and Cunning Vr-5
    Soft Rose Vr-1
    Svaedstrom Lowbie
    Man in the Fringe Vr-2
    Batul Gra-Sharob Vr-1

    Previous vets:
    Jade Blossom Vr-1
    Man in the Fringe Vr-5
    RAGE
  • WraithAzraiel
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    But hey can I have your stuff? And if not your stuff can I have your gold?
    Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade

    Captain of the Black Howling

    "There's no such thing as overkill..."

    "No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."

    P2PBetaTesters
    #Tamriel_BETA_Team
    #BETA_TESTER4LYF
    DominionMasterRace
    #GOAHEADTHEYGOTCANDY
    #SEEMSLEGIT
  • Thechemicals
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    McLukos wrote: »
    Well put. I have already given up, I dont understand why i continue checking the forum... hope I guess.

    Thank
    In before close.

    this isnt a goodbye thread, i have some things i need to do before i go. I have friends in eso and recently met an opposing faction player that is really cool.
    Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
    Vr14 Dk bow/2h

    Brayan Blackthunder
    Goddick
    Daggerfall Covenant

  • technohic
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    The game is far from perfect and definitely has some very annoying parts to it, but I'm even less thrilled about the other MMOs out there. The ones you mention just confirms to me that there has been a lot of crap released.
  • Roechacca
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    As much as I'd like to scream at the game it's not horrible . There are issues like any other mmo I played . What kills it for me is the people in charge of fixing things and the way their community team sensors everything so you can't complain too much or let them know publicly who's abusing the system . That's incredibly frustrating . In other games people put up with things longer because GMs would work harder to solve issues . I think more people have left in frustration with this company then with the actual game . But that's just my opinion .
  • SexyVette07
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    That's another reason why ESO is still alive. There's nothing out there right now unless you're willing to go back to Wow (which I have been looking into, /sigh).

  • Gidorick
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    Well said. I think a lot of players feel the same way. It's not that the game lost its luster, it never had it in the first place. I don't know why I'm here either. I should have just stayed unsubbed. Until 1.6 hit, the game was almost exactly the same as it was when I left 6 months prior.

    It never ceases to amaze me how poor programming has become acceptable in this day and age.

    Yea, ZOS pretty much dropped the ball on the whole 4-6 release of DLC level content. I'm really hoping they can turn the ship around...
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • Inactive Account
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    Regards to the OP,

    After reading your comments above, it does seem that you are a very hard person to please. It would seem that no matter what you are ever involved in, will ever meet your standards.

    You do have issues with E.S.O. and gave it a try, good on you. Hopefully the next game you buy/try will fulfill your needs.
    You could always make your own MMO, you know, program it, market it, update it, fix the bugs in it, run a Forums page, Moderate the Forums page, and so on. Please feel free to come back to these forums when you have and let us all know about it.
    I know I would enjoy it, for a while, then blast it on your forums page for not being what I want it to be.

    my two cents.... well since we don't have pennies anymore here, I guess it's my nickel.
  • Thechemicals
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    More or less just a bb thread, calling ESO a boring uninteresting game, and stating that anybody who supports the game or enjoys "boring and uninteresting."
    In some ways, the community has followed suit with you or maybe you just attracted very serious and uninteresting people. The kind who are shelled up in rp elitism and the kind who farm alliance points in cyrodiil all day with tailored made groups using players for specific builds and blob effects.


    You also made a claim calling ESO clunky and unattractive to play, without ever expounding on the subject. However, you did state some of the things you enjoyed, like firing that "god laser". Then later on in the post, you complained about how we didn't have Christmas for you to celebrate. You patronize competition and then try and blame Zenimax Online for the drama players have ingame? Now it just seems like a sh*tpost.

    Heck, every bb post more or less was.^

    I would give you a response with detail but you just got here. Look at my profile. I have over 1500 comments so what i say on the forums has, in the least some depth and thought to it.
    Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
    Vr14 Dk bow/2h

    Brayan Blackthunder
    Goddick
    Daggerfall Covenant

  • Roechacca
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    Regards to the OP,

    After reading your comments above, it does seem that you are a very hard person to please. It would seem that no matter what you are ever involved in, will ever meet your standards.

    You do have issues with E.S.O. and gave it a try, good on you. Hopefully the next game you buy/try will fulfill your needs.
    You could always make your own MMO, you know, program it, market it, update it, fix the bugs in it, run a Forums page, Moderate the Forums page, and so on. Please feel free to come back to these forums when you have and let us all know about it.
    I know I would enjoy it, for a while, then blast it on your forums page for not being what I want it to be.

    my two cents.... well since we don't have pennies anymore here, I guess it's my nickel.

    If I ever make a game I will encourage people to blast it on the forums so I can get a real genuine feel for how my customers react to changes . Then use that to my advantage by fixing it and giving out a customer service questionnaire after to see if I gave the best I could for their buck . But that's just my way of doing buisness ...
  • Bane_of_Fringe
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    More or less just a bb thread, calling ESO a boring uninteresting game, and stating that anybody who supports the game or enjoys "boring and uninteresting."
    In some ways, the community has followed suit with you or maybe you just attracted very serious and uninteresting people. The kind who are shelled up in rp elitism and the kind who farm alliance points in cyrodiil all day with tailored made groups using players for specific builds and blob effects.


    You also made a claim calling ESO clunky and unattractive to play, without ever expounding on the subject. However, you did state some of the things you enjoyed, like firing that "god laser". Then later on in the post, you complained about how we didn't have Christmas for you to celebrate. You patronize competition and then try and blame Zenimax Online for the drama players have ingame? Now it just seems like a sh*tpost.

    Heck, every bb post more or less was.^

    I would give you a response with detail but you just got here. Look at my profile. I have over 1500 comments so what i say on the forums has, in the least some depth and thought to it.


    Not really bothered by the fact that you lurked on the forums. I'm not going to pretend like you're the better for doing so. Played since release day in the US. Seen dozens of goodbye threads, this lines up right with the others, whether you spent the last year posting on the forums or not. Exact same stuff.
    Characters:
    Bane of Fringe Vr-14
    Casts as Hatchling Vr-5
    Shinobu-chan Vr-1
    Holo the Wise and Cunning Vr-5
    Soft Rose Vr-1
    Svaedstrom Lowbie
    Man in the Fringe Vr-2
    Batul Gra-Sharob Vr-1

    Previous vets:
    Jade Blossom Vr-1
    Man in the Fringe Vr-5
    RAGE
  • Folkb
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    I tried wildstar and came back to ESO. so...yeah..

    also from what I hear wildstar epically failed from it's hype just as hard as ESO or worse.
  • Inactive Account
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Regards to the OP,

    After reading your comments above, it does seem that you are a very hard person to please. It would seem that no matter what you are ever involved in, will ever meet your standards.

    You do have issues with E.S.O. and gave it a try, good on you. Hopefully the next game you buy/try will fulfill your needs.
    You could always make your own MMO, you know, program it, market it, update it, fix the bugs in it, run a Forums page, Moderate the Forums page, and so on. Please feel free to come back to these forums when you have and let us all know about it.
    I know I would enjoy it, for a while, then blast it on your forums page for not being what I want it to be.

    my two cents.... well since we don't have pennies anymore here, I guess it's my nickel.

    If I ever make a game I will encourage people to blast it on the forums so I can get a real genuine feel for how my customers react to changes . Then use that to my advantage by fixing it and giving out a customer service questionnaire after to see if I gave the best I could for their buck . But that's just my way of doing buisness ...

    Good plan, but as long as you realize that you will never be able to please everyone at the same time.

    You have stated that you have tried other games. Why? Is it because you want to try something new? Something that makes you explore different ways of doing things? Because that is what patch 1.6 in E.S.O. is.
    It will most likely not be the last change that will occur. Much of what has changed in the game was brought forth by people other than you, for the same reason you state above.
    This change obviously does not agree with you, but for many others, it does.
    I am just showing you the other side of the coin that you are holding.
    Edited by Inactive Account on March 6, 2015 7:35PM
  • Thechemicals
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    More or less just a bb thread, calling ESO a boring uninteresting game, and stating that anybody who supports the game or enjoys "boring and uninteresting."
    In some ways, the community has followed suit with you or maybe you just attracted very serious and uninteresting people. The kind who are shelled up in rp elitism and the kind who farm alliance points in cyrodiil all day with tailored made groups using players for specific builds and blob effects.


    You also made a claim calling ESO clunky and unattractive to play, without ever expounding on the subject. However, you did state some of the things you enjoyed, like firing that "god laser". Then later on in the post, you complained about how we didn't have Christmas for you to celebrate. You patronize competition and then try and blame Zenimax Online for the drama players have ingame? Now it just seems like a sh*tpost.

    Heck, every bb post more or less was.^

    I would give you a response with detail but you just got here. Look at my profile. I have over 1500 comments so what i say on the forums has, in the least some depth and thought to it.


    Not really bothered by the fact that you lurked on the forums. I'm not going to pretend like you're the better for doing so. Played since release day in the US. Seen dozens of goodbye threads, this lines up right with the others, whether you spent the last year posting on the forums or not. Exact same stuff.

    You would get defensive, you dont like what i have to say and you are upset because im a damper on your source of entertainment. Im only telling you that i have been involved in this game through forums, events, interviews, conventions, and have always put my heart into eso.It was never what many people wanted it to be and it still isnt what many who stuck around want it to be.

    As far as the mmo market goes, yes it does have a lot of crap and eso is stnading on that hill of crap. That doesnt make it a gem. World of warcraft, even though i only played it 8 months is a gem despite its past its prime. Ultima online and dark age of cam were gems. Eso, is a brand carrying rich lore and imagination, but not much else.
    Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
    Vr14 Dk bow/2h

    Brayan Blackthunder
    Goddick
    Daggerfall Covenant

  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Regards to the OP,

    After reading your comments above, it does seem that you are a very hard person to please. It would seem that no matter what you are ever involved in, will ever meet your standards.

    You do have issues with E.S.O. and gave it a try, good on you. Hopefully the next game you buy/try will fulfill your needs.
    You could always make your own MMO, you know, program it, market it, update it, fix the bugs in it, run a Forums page, Moderate the Forums page, and so on. Please feel free to come back to these forums when you have and let us all know about it.
    I know I would enjoy it, for a while, then blast it on your forums page for not being what I want it to be.

    my two cents.... well since we don't have pennies anymore here, I guess it's my nickel.

    If I ever make a game I will encourage people to blast it on the forums so I can get a real genuine feel for how my customers react to changes . Then use that to my advantage by fixing it and giving out a customer service questionnaire after to see if I gave the best I could for their buck . But that's just my way of doing buisness ...

    Good plan, but as long as you realize that you will never be able to please everyone at the same time.

    You have stated that you have tried other games. Why? Is it because you want to try something new? Something that makes you explore different ways of doing things? Because that is what patch 1.6 in E.S.O. is.
    It will most likely not be the last change that will occur. Much of what has changed in the game was brought forth by people other than you, for the same reason you state above.
    This change obviously does not agree with you, but for many others, it does.
    I am just showing you the other side of the coin that you are holding.

    I never said any of that . My complaints have been customer service related not about the new update . The material is great , the bugs are terrible and sometimes game breaking but never one Hotfix implemented .

    My last MMO I left because it closed . The rest I still have accounts on . Just because I think this guy or any person should have the right to blast something he doesn't like doesn't mean I agree with him . I'm just adult enough to know his opinion has nothing to do with mine .
  • Thechemicals
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    Folkb wrote: »
    I tried wildstar and came back to ESO. so...yeah..

    also from what I hear wildstar epically failed from it's hype just as hard as ESO or worse.

    Yes the mmo market is flooded with bad and expired mmos. I am not sure what the future of mmos are going to be but i dont think the genre is going to be very strong considering how congested it is and how quick cash flips are how mmo funders plan on getting profit.

    There was a time when mmos were made with love. Ultima Onlines designer loved his game and even had a character and castgle in it. The game was full of detail (and brutality). Wow was given so much love by its team for a long time as well. I think eso was developed with the same kind of team but they just didnt have the skill and also were bullied by these quick cash flippers in the other dept.
    Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
    Vr14 Dk bow/2h

    Brayan Blackthunder
    Goddick
    Daggerfall Covenant

  • newtinmpls
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    The veteran community in eso is and will always be your last and most loyal customers.

    Well isn't that an arrogant thing to say. Listen up, level-queen, I have NO characters at veteran level because I am enjoying the world and the immersion - flawed as it may be - it's still ES that I can share!

    You are leaving and I am staying, what does that say about who is loyal

    PS recently found an honest-to-god physical copy of the pre-order Edition (happy dance)!!
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • BBSooner
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    I have to say I disagree with the OP, especially in regards to TSW and Wildstar. If ESO isn't for you then it just isn't for you, and there is nothing wrong with that. I feel like the energy gone in to the thread could have been better used elsewhere, unless the entire point was a vent to randoms on the internet. I hope you find a game to enjoy if you are displeased with ESO, though I couldn't make the switch to TSW or Wildstar - they've been tried and found lacking.
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