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Siege damage on players is laughably bad. Fix it, double it.

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Rylana
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pre 1.6 (average health pool about 3000)

Fire ballista - 400 damage/tick, 600 vs vamps (642 with dark elf passive)

Each tick was about 1/8th to 1/5th of a health pool, depending on vampirism

1.6 (average health pool about 25000)

Fire ballista - 2000 damage/tick, 3000 vs vamps (approx, the numbers fluctuate a fair bit)

Each tick is about 1/12th to 1/8th of an average health bar.

You need to double the damage, as this is but one example. Oil is even more hilarious.

Edited by Rylana on March 5, 2015 11:09AM
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Yup, i been saying this for months, with some replying "oh you will give newbs god cannons" which is just a cop out as siege anyways is easy to avoid giving you close to 3 seconds to move out of the circle.

    I will say this though, there are a few skills that work very against stacked groups, very very well. :)

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  • Goldie
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    I agree 250%, or about the same amount you need to adjust the damage overall...
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  • Weberda
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    Assuming Rylana's are correct (and based on what I experienced yesterday they are) counter-siege is now a complete waste of time. Geez. I wish they would play their own damn game once in a while.
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  • Draxys
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    I think it was fine before, but they definitely should at the very least scale it to the damage it did prior to 1.6
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  • Fatalyis
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    Anti-Infantry Siege on the Crown Store?
  • Talcyndl
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    Yeah, weren't we promised that come 1.6 siege would do significantly more damage against players?

    Instead it seems even less effective now.
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  • Panda244
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    Gets smacked in the face by Rylana's Trebuchet :wink:
    Shrugs it off and keeps on Sap Tanking

    Sound logic, am I right? Or am I right!
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  • Weberda
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    This has a major impact on the minority factions on the buff servers. It almost makes it futile to try and defend a keep against what is always superior numbers.
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  • WRX
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    Oil should get a buff.
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  • Ezareth
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    If you're a vamp just keep damage shields up the whole time and the bonus damage of fire will never touch you.
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  • Teargrants
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    Solution: Just make scattershot siege do physical dmg that bypasses all dmg shields.
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  • Domander
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    I agree siege damage should be greatly increased, but I don't think the average health is 25k.
    Edited by Domander on March 6, 2015 2:49AM
  • Domander
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    If you're a vamp just keep damage shields up the whole time and the bonus damage of fire will never touch you.

    .....................unless something changed since 1.6.1 pts and all the previous live patches, this is completely wrong.

    This reminds me of when you claimed there was no such thing as CC immunity.
    Edited by Domander on March 6, 2015 2:50AM
  • c0rp
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    Siege is supposed to IGNORE ARMOR NOW in 1.6 and its doing LESS damage than it did before the patch...lmao.... wonder how many weeks it will take to make counter siege relevant again.

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  • Weberda
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    I'm wondering it this wasn't done in anticipation of a lot of new people coming in due to B2P. they were afraid new players would be "toasted" in PvP and get turned off by it. Of course it happened to all of us when we first went in to PvP but that was a different situation I guess. Nerf as much as you can so the new guys will stay around and buy costumes.
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  • Snit
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    I think it's bugged. The patch notes implied that siege would do more damage than in 1.5. It clearly does less, a lot less. I like using anti-personnel siege, but now they feel like half-ton potato guns.
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  • olsborg
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    /signed, siege wep needs to hit harder.

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  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Fatalyis wrote: »
    Anti-Infantry Siege on the Crown Store?

    Can we just stop this type of post? Unless your posting that you want to see this stuff on the crown store just trust that the devs however stupid you believe them to be wouldn't be so stupid to put this type of thing there.

    If it does get added then scream and shout all you want until then just don't waste our time.


    Siege should have different templates (not just circles) and hit harder.
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  • Sotha_Sil
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    I'm just honestly curious guys but why do you want it to hit harder ? what reasons ?
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  • NukeAllTheThings
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    This can't be true they said in the patch notes:
    • Siege damage will no longer be mitigated by armor.
    • Increased the damage done by siege weapons against players by 10%.

    Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face. Siege against players is not effective regardless what they spew in their patch notes.
    Edited by NukeAllTheThings on March 6, 2015 2:25PM
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  • Oughash
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    If you're a vamp just keep damage shields up the whole time and the bonus damage of fire will never touch you.

    Ez, are you sure about this?
    Edited by Oughash on March 6, 2015 2:42PM
  • MormondPayne_EP
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    Ishammael wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    If you're a vamp just keep damage shields up the whole time and the bonus damage of fire will never touch you.

    Ez, are you sure about this?

    I have used damage shields to mitigate siege damage for ages now, I concur it works.
  • Perichor
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    right

    or this whole thread

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154392/zos-siege-simulator-online#latest
  • Domander
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    MormondPayne_EP wrote: »
    Ishammael wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    If you're a vamp just keep damage shields up the whole time and the bonus damage of fire will never touch you.

    Ez, are you sure about this?

    I have used damage shields to mitigate siege damage for ages now, I concur it works.

    It's still going to do bonus damage to the shield.

    Edited by Domander on March 6, 2015 10:51PM
  • Roechacca
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    @ZOS_BrianWheeler Can you please look into this , it's a waist of AP .
  • Gravord
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    Learn to play with your class skill instead sit on walls and spam balista like a ***.
  • ThyIronFist
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    /signed

    Think it was the night before last night I was oiling some enemies from above the tower, I barely saw their health bar move and the ticks were like 3-4k.

    How can it be that low if siege is no longer mitigated by armour?
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  • Roechacca
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    Gravord wrote: »
    Learn to play with your class skill instead sit on walls and spam balista like a ***.

    Ballista where designed with the game . I'm great with my class . The lower level people use to be able to help with running ballista since they aren't very strong anymore . In DC we need as many as we can get and a lot of DC are still leveling due to lack of population and available help . Those players need to make a difference again and have siege available and some what effective at crowd control . If you played DC vs EP on TB you might get it .
  • Domander
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    Gravord wrote: »
    Learn to play with your class skill instead sit on walls and spam balista like a ***.

    Siege warfare is part of AvA, some people like to do it, maybe that's something you should learn.
  • RedTalon
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    I know what you mean when doing siege set up no longer have to pay attention to wear am I standing cause unless its meat beat it just ticks down my health bar very little, meat bags do better but its an utter joke.
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