Experience and Champion Points of rarity.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

When I was on the PTS, I was able to grind out a Champion Point in about 45 minutes, unenlightened. That to me seems fair, doing anything else it would take usually 3-4x longer because the time per experience gain was less; ie killing monsters for 10 minutes verses 1 quest in 10 minutes. Yesterday, I spent time in both PvP and PvE to test out the point gain and it was changed; not a surprise from ZOS.

As it stands now it will take people 5-8 hours to get 1 Champion Point. This is not an exaggeration. Monster XP has been nerfed by 2/3, meaning grinding no longer is a viable option for those of us that prefer to play that way. ZOS is forcing players to play a certain way, instead of how we want to play. Overall 1.6 is nice and I was really looking forward to it. However, on second look they made all of us weaker and now we have to "grind" even more to achieve out status of strength pre-1.6. I was fine with this knowing I could get a few Champion Points a night by grinding some monsters after PvP. This is no longer the case.

The fact it takes so long to get 1 Champion Point is unrealistic. People will disagree with me and that is fine. The point of this not to start an argument about whether grinding should or shouldn't be allowed or that questers should be on a level playing field of people that like and enjoy grinding. Its irrelevant. I enjoy grinding and you enjoy questing, I do not care about your opinion.

My point is that the XP gain across the board are garbage in this game. As far as the "enlightened" buff is concerned, it looks like the XP nerf was done so they could implement this "rested XP" bonus when in reality the "enlightened" is just normal pre-1.6 XP gain. Now that you all know this, go test it out and you will see what I am talking about. If you claim you can get ONE CP in under 5 hours record it and post it on here, do both XP gains with the "rested" buff and without. The truth will be revealed in time.

Rosveen · March 2015

Someone's gotta buy those XP potions.

I'd go out and test, but I'm still patching... I have a full Gold zone left of quests, though. Perfect grounds for finding out what the standarized XP gain rate is supposed to be.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

You were getting 600k XP an hour...?

nimander99 · March 2015

I noticed this immediately and can only assume its to boost exp pot sales. I guess we know what we will be spending crowns on now right?

Lionxoft · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You were getting 600k XP an hour...?

I accrued 648k xp per hour grinding. Not all the spots/monsters have been nerfed.

To be completely straightforward this system is something that ZOS should be ashamed of. They will be (hopefully) removing VR and fully embracing the Champion System however they replace the tedious grind with an even longer tedious grind? Not to mention the best way to progress through the end game system isn't through end game content.

Just to be clear... That hour was not spent in order to gain champion points. It was to gauge just how broken and idiotic this system really is. I have no intention of logging back into the game until it's fixed. A friend might convince me to come hang out but I could care less about progressing through this bogus system.

Rust_in_Peace · March 2015

Really disappointed with the nerf to exp gains from mobs out in the world. I don't like being forced to play a certain way to get what I want but I have a feeling that ZoS is only doing this to strongly encourage players to buy their "convenience" items. I really wouldn't be surprised if down the road they added a potion or something that just gave you a CP that you could use every day on a 24 hr cooldown or something.

Lionxoft · March 2015

Rhaenir wrote: »

Really disappointed with the nerf to exp gains from mobs out in the world. I don't like being forced to play a certain way to get what I want but I have a feeling that ZoS is only doing this to strongly encourage players to buy their "convenience" items. I really wouldn't be surprised if down the road they added a potion or something that just gave you a CP that you could use every day on a 24 hr cooldown or something.

They weren't nerfed though.

Nestor · March 2015

I would not mind grinding for more champion points if they had given me enough to make my character as strong and versatile as it was before to start with. Now that I have to grind to get me back to where I was before, I don't want to spend a year just to get back to where I was.

Grapdjan · March 2015

According to someone else's math it actually would take just under a decade at four hours a day

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

ItsRejectz · March 2015

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

s7732425ub17_ESO · March 2015

I still don't understand the whole "anti-grind" mentality. Players WANT to grind. They have been doing it in MMOs for the last 15 years. There's plenty of stuff to do that does not require grinding, but sometimes I'm not in the mood. Sometimes I just want to sit in a room and kill monsters over and over. It's relaxing, allows me to chat with people while still actually advancing in the game, and doesn't feel like I'm wasting my time.

If you remove grinds, what am I going to do when I don't feel like doing group content? I'll go find another game to play.

Rammi · March 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

Lionxoft · March 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Than you are lying about getting 600k an hour.

Lionxoft · March 2015

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

Where are you grinding? Zone? Enemy types and number of enemies per "pack"? Your faction/VR? Group size and are other people leeching off of your kills? 200k is extremely easy to hit so I'll try to help you out a bit.

You can PM me if you wish. I think you will fall behind quite fast with your current grind rate. Kind of sucks that you have to grind in order to progress through an end game alternate advancement system by not doing end game content, huh??

Lionxoft · March 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Than you are lying about getting 600k an hour.

Or you don't understand how to grind xp quicklly. I've had a lot of practice since the Craglorn nerfs with my various characters.

Rust_in_Peace · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

Where are you grinding? Zone? Enemy types and number of enemies per "pack"? Your faction/VR? Group size and are other people leeching off of your kills? 200k is extremely easy to hit so I'll try to help you out a bit.

You can PM me if you wish. I think you will fall behind quite fast with your current grind rate. Kind of sucks that you have to grind in order to progress through an end game alternate advancement system by not doing end game content, huh??

I'm VR14 and I was killing mobs in spellscar getting a fraction of the exp. The quests there even give less exp as well. Where are you grinding, at max level, that you are seeing this kind of exp gain at 600k an hour?

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

I really like the changes and think it was needed for this game, but the long grind of XP to get Champion Points and being restricted to do certain activities to get said XP is a horrible idea. If anything they needed to buff the XP gained from questing and PvPing to match that of grinding, but they did the opposite.

Also, this puts a whole new aspect on XP boosters, XP bonus from being a sub and other XP gain items one may buy..

Rammi · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

Where are you grinding? Zone? Enemy types and number of enemies per "pack"? Your faction/VR? Group size and are other people leeching off of your kills? 200k is extremely easy to hit so I'll try to help you out a bit.

You can PM me if you wish. I think you will fall behind quite fast with your current grind rate. Kind of sucks that you have to grind in order to progress through an end game alternate advancement system by not doing end game content, huh??

I will PM later!!

thanks, basically im VR14 EP and was in Malabor Tor running around killing whatever i could find

Sphinx2318 · March 2015

@Darklord_Tiberius, you said exactly what I have been thinking since last night. You saved me from writing my own post. That said, I dont think that ZoS intends to boos XP output (champ system was designed to lengthen the game).
However, I would like to propose to ZOS that for people like me who only play ESO to PvP, that PvP XP gets a major boost. It seems fair to me that contributing to the Alliance War should be just as effective in gaining Champion Point XP as PvE questing and grinding.

ItsRejectz · March 2015

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

That is what i was just getting.. I cant get higher where i am grinding though

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Than you are lying about getting 600k an hour.

Or you don't understand how to grind xp quicklly. I've had a lot of practice since the Craglorn nerfs with my various characters.

By all means, share this knowledge with the community. You say you can get 600k an hour, without a shred of evidence, what are you doing to achieve this?

Rammi · March 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

That is what i was just getting.. I cant get higher where i am grinding though

Interesting, was this with enlightenment or without?

Merlin13KAGL · March 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Uh, I refer you to your own post:

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

When I was on the PTS, I was able to grind out a Champion Point in about 45 minutes, unenlightened.

If you were getting one CP in 45 minutes, unenlightened, that's 400k/45 minutes, which works out to 533k/hour. (Did the math to quickly the first time)

533k still seems a bit high.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

That is what i was just getting.. I cant get higher where i am grinding though

Where were you grinding this? What Vet level were you?

But @ Sphinx2318 makes a great point. PvPing last night I barely reached a quarter of a point and we killed plenty of people and gained quite a decent amount of AP.

My only intentions for this thread is to help people realize how unbalanced XP gains are in this game.

jluceyub17_ESO · March 2015

Run DSA, normal mode's still a cakewalk and I got a bit over 200K xp from a single run through, unenlightened. With a good group you should be able to get 1 CP every 1.5-2 hours from running DSA.

Darklord_Tiberius · March 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Uh, I refer you to your own post:

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

When I was on the PTS, I was able to grind out a Champion Point in about 45 minutes, unenlightened.

If you were getting one CP in 45 minutes, unenlightened, that's 400k/45 minutes, which works out to 533k/hour. (Did the math to quickly the first time)

533k still seems a bit high.

You obviously didnt read the next part to that bud. They changed it sometime between 1.6.1 to now live.

Old XP per kill was 350-450 unenlightened, now on live its 150-200 from what I was doing in Craglorn. God forbid if someone else touches my mob it goes down considerable. I would prefer to PvP and not grind; however, with how bad XP gains are in PvP its not a reliable way to gain XP to stay competitive.

Back to my original point. XP gains are garbage and unbalanced.

Lionxoft · March 2015

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

If you're only getting 200 xp per kill then you're doing it wrong.

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Than you are lying about getting 600k an hour.

Or you don't understand how to grind xp quicklly. I've had a lot of practice since the Craglorn nerfs with my various characters.

By all means, share this knowledge with the community. You say you can get 600k an hour, without a shred of evidence, what are you doing to achieve this?

A few members from a prominent closed beta guild have allegedly been able to even achieve a point every half hour while not enlightened. 648k xp per hour is nothing compared to that figure.

I would like you to see this from my perspective. I have absolutely no interest in grinding xp to accrue champion points so why would I share my information that would basically assure that I have to grind to stay competitive?

That's like training North Korea how to build nuclear weapons more efficiently for them to use against us. Well, probably not that intensive of a situation but you see my point.

ItsRejectz · March 2015

Rammi wrote: »

Interesting, was this with enlightenment or without?

Without enlightenment, dont have any at all yet.

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Where were you grinding this? What Vet level were you?
.

This character is vet 12.. Dont really want to put where just yet, as ZOS will probably nerf it lol

s7732425ub17_ESO · March 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Rammi wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

At the moment i can get close to 280k per hour, but i cant get any better than that

I struggle to even believe this number. I don't know how anyone could gain more than 200K in an hour based on my initial research unless i'm doing it wrong.

i was averaging 200 xp a kill. 1K mobs are needed to be killed to get to 200K.

Thats some impressive mob killing, just so we are clear thats 16 mobs a minute!

Take my numbers and assume 400xp a kill thats still 8 mobs every minute, still impressive!

If you're only getting 200 xp per kill then you're doing it wrong.

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

600k an hour? Where is your video to prove that, lets see what you were doing to get 600k an hour. Dont post a 5-10 minute video of some random stuff. If you claim to be getting 600k+ an hour load up an hour video and let us see it. The only way you got that much was with the "elightened" buff which awards x4 the amount of XP, which is the same normal xp gains from pre-1.6. I will load of a video later to show you what ZOS did with the XP and that so called "rested XP" buff.

Not enlightened. How much are you going to pay me to spend an hour doing something I'd rather not do?

Than you are lying about getting 600k an hour.

Or you don't understand how to grind xp quicklly. I've had a lot of practice since the Craglorn nerfs with my various characters.

By all means, share this knowledge with the community. You say you can get 600k an hour, without a shred of evidence, what are you doing to achieve this?

A few members from a prominent closed beta guild have allegedly been able to even achieve a point every half hour while not enlightened. 648k xp per hour is nothing compared to that figure.

I would like you to see this from my perspective. I have absolutely no interest in grinding xp to accrue champion points so why would I share my information that would basically assure that I have to grind to stay competitive?

That's like training North Korea how to build nuclear weapons more efficiently for them to use against us. Well, probably not that intensive of a situation but you see my point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlMJE2rpNQ

But yea, I'm going to call out that "prominent closed beta guild." There's no way they are getting CP that fast.