no screenshot, so yeah u might have done it, but hey will first be impressed when its with no deaths, speed run and such.

just completing it thats just well erm.... gratz

How much XP?

25-27k XP per run.

for screen shot just go on the leaderboard in your game

No death is pretty easy, just needs to get used to it.

HR we did it a leisure run 35 min while scrweing around. It's pretty easy.

So if a Trial gives 25k XP, there's no way that a normal or Vet dungeon would yield that. At 400,000 pts per CP, that's 16 Trial Runs to get 1 CP.

IMO NONE of these Dungeons/Trials are anywhere near that FUN to have to run that many times to farm CP. Other than running the Daily pledges and for skill points, Dungeons will pretty much be a waste of time if your trying to gain CP. Your better off hitting up Cadwells Silver and Gold and Craglorn's repeatable quests to get CP quicker. They really should increase the XP earned on those.

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno, have they made a decision yet on if they are going to increase XP earned in Dungeons and Trials yet?

Thank you for your time.

Thanks alot @ZOS_GinaBruno

for @Father tank (me) had around 28k without food if I recall correctly( don't have game open atm), running 5 heavy 2 light. Most DPS had 20k-22k without food. No idea for the healers. We did not give much a *** for the details. Just our same 1.5 builds, not optimal in 1.6. We just respected, put our CP and went in.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Rshidva wrote: »

Thanks alot @ZOS_GinaBruno

for @Father tank (me) had around 28k without food if I recall correctly( don't have game open atm), running 5 heavy 2 light. Most DPS had 20k-22k without food. No idea for the healers. We did not give much a *** for the details. Just our same 1.5 builds, not optimal in 1.6. We just respected, put our CP and went in.

Same builds meaning gear or gear and skill rotations?

Just curious. (I'm assuming just gear, but will wait for an answer)

Same gear, skill rotation different.

Rshidva wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Rshidva wrote: »

Thanks alot @ZOS_GinaBruno

for @Father tank (me) had around 28k without food if I recall correctly( don't have game open atm), running 5 heavy 2 light. Most DPS had 20k-22k without food. No idea for the healers. We did not give much a *** for the details. Just our same 1.5 builds, not optimal in 1.6. We just respected, put our CP and went in.

Same builds meaning gear or gear and skill rotations?

Just curious. (I'm assuming just gear, but will wait for an answer)

Same gear, skill rotation different.

You have to remember when we did this many of us had only had a few hours in game. In my case I had spent that time dealing with all the inventory, gold keys, crafting sacks/chests, and other change over to 1.6 logistical stuff. I put my CP in Hairball for the first time in the lobby of Hel-ra. The first enemy I killed was on the first trash pull.

I think I had 22k health (all attributes and no enchants) with the rest in magica. I did have purple V10 food and my old V5 spell power pots. As for skill rotation, I picked a few buddies brains for information before hand and added a new skill that seemed good in the patch notes. I didn't have a functional dps meeter so I have no idea how good it was though the rotation seemed fine. It was a very different skill bar than 1.5 and I already have some ideas on changing it.

As for the gear, I was wearing my 1.5 Soulshine, Willows, Infallible Aether. I am quite certain that none of this is any good in 1.6. I will be switching to Cyridiil's light, Adroitness, Martial Knowledged, Mephala's, today though I'm keeping it all purple because that is only an educated guess as to what will work. I may need to prioritize more regen or cost reduction. I'm not sure but I do know that spell crit and my old gear are worthless.

Furthermore, Stam vs magic on the NB is very much an open question. I am trying magica first as the healing produced for the group while doing DPS offers very good utility in 4 man content. Also, Stam NB's have no functional self heal for soloing content! Funnel health is the primary dps/heal for NB and has no stam morph. The Stam morph for the sap essence AOE has no heals (The magica one is also broken at the moment and not healing when it hits more than a few enemies). I don't think slotting a magica heal/damage ability for the healing will probably be sufficient when soloing though I have not tested. This is something to consider when choosing magica or stam it you want to be able to smoothly quest. In any case, DPS testing will determine in the end if Stam or Magica is more worthwhile of a NB.

Other notes:
Health in 1.6 is comparatively low because of the changes to health vs other attribute attribute point values.

Enemies in trails do not appear to be as weakened in terms of their damage output as those in dungeons (dungeons appear to have been super nerfed.) We had one wipe of top group, (all but one of the bosses images started spinning immediately and simultaneously on split and the resulting first multi-hit insta-killed everyone) a smattering of deaths on the first boss whirlwhinds, and due to a variety of mechanics on the last. The result of this is it is probably good to have more healers. We had 5 I think as we wore worried and at least 1 dps Templar as well. This increased demand for healers will be difficult with Templars new love for their DPS and the Champion point systems defacto prohibition against switching rolls.

The bosses are massively buffed in terms of health. I think we had 4 star-falls in a group that would have had only 1 before. The boss upstairs I think split 3 or 4 times instead of 1 as well. Trials take much longer because of this and at least so far you cannot generate the DPS to break all the mechanics as before.

Ult generation is quite slow relative to what it used to be for a NB dps'r. The mechanic where you have to light attack every 10 seconds while AOE'ing is just broken and stupid. Why not make any DPS output work for this? I don't want to have to find a specific enemy that may die any moment from the massive AOE and drop block to try to hit him with a light strike then find another because that one just died from someone else's hit and so I missed.

Nobody can figure out how the leaderboards point values are determined or how they even work. It appears ranking might actually be cumulative instead of per-run as before? The AA board is truly indecipherable.

On balance I would say Hel-ra was a good bit more "fun" than before as you could not just DPS break all the mechanics and instead had to pay attention to them. I am not sure this will be enough to keep people running as most of the loot has been made worthless by the shift from crit to damage in desirability, and, as has been mentioned, the xp was laughable, roughly as much as two 15 second spellscar trash pulls. Fixing these issues would probably get trials running again though. It would certainly be more interesting if dungeons and trials became the go-to places for CP grinding and this seems to be happening to some extent with Vet DSA. This would also probably make it easier for new players to get into trial groups as experienced players would have a reason to run trials other than leaderboard position (runs they won't take noobs on) or loot (which most already have as much as they want of.) I really hope they make this choice but kinda doubt it as it would mean not a 2x or 3x increase in XP but closer to a 30x one.

Thanks for the in-depth recap on our run.

I guess I'll go for a more in-depth tank perspective on that:
5 hist bark, 5 footman, 2 bloodspawn, (5 heavy 2 light)

skills: the usual: pierce armour, deep slash, inner beast, green blood, hardening armor, structured enthropy, defensive stance, I would run flames of oblivion for having some dps without mana usage, cause I was not sure how much I would need.


Ultimate gain is superb for tank. I could drop every now and then a corrosive or banner.

I did not have stam issues except with 4 axes on me (spear shard solved that). I run enchants to diminish stam cost of blocking, with the CP in the right place. I am running a maj and stam taunt (inner and pierce). I only required spear shard once every minute or so when I had 4 axes on me (mage).

Like hairball said, we were also a top player group. So "the easy factor" might be relative.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

So if a Trial gives 25k XP, there's no way that a normal or Vet dungeon would yield that. At 400,000 pts per CP, that's 16 Trial Runs to get 1 CP.

IMO NONE of these Dungeons/Trials are anywhere near that FUN to have to run that many times to farm CP. Other than running the Daily pledges and for skill points, Dungeons will pretty much be a waste of time if your trying to gain CP. Your better off hitting up Cadwells Silver and Gold and Craglorn's repeatable quests to get CP quicker. They really should increase the XP earned on those.

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno, have they made a decision yet on if they are going to increase XP earned in Dungeons and Trials yet?

Thank you for your time.

Yes, we do have plans to increase XP in dungeons and trials in the near future.

I hope this also includes public dungeons aka Delves. They're fun to just run through or even just repeat if the reward is there like it used to be way back when during beta... not the most in-depth cerebral activity of all time but it would be a relaxing way to level champ stuff . Also would like to see PVP-gained experience in Cyrodiil/its delves & the upcoming Imperial City, be bumped up to be competitive with pve methods of gaining it.